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The Blue Flower

(5,434 posts)
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 08:36 AM Sep 2021

From the WaPo comments section

"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for.

They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don't resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don't ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don't bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn.

It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you.

You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone.

They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

--Methodist Pastor David Barnhart

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From the WaPo comments section (Original Post) The Blue Flower Sep 2021 OP
Pastor Barnhart nailed it Rorey Sep 2021 #1
Ouch! All Repukes listen up. Frustratedlady Sep 2021 #2
Their lack of concern for the disadvantaged living is duly noted JohnSJ Sep 2021 #3
That is so profound yet so obvious. Thanks for sharing this....eom Karma13612 Sep 2021 #4
Damn, Ma'am, But That Is A Thing Of Beauty The Magistrate Sep 2021 #5
Good find. He's absolutely correct. Arkansas Granny Sep 2021 #6
Nailed it!...KnR MiHale Sep 2021 #7
The ending to the quote... CurtEastPoint Sep 2021 #8
Thanks for posting the entire quote FakeNoose Sep 2021 #12
yes, but he lives in Alabama. CurtEastPoint Sep 2021 #18
And his post from 2018, from Facebook CurtEastPoint Sep 2021 #9
Screenshot of his post: demmiblue Sep 2021 #16
Shared on Facebook! LeftInTX Sep 2021 #35
There are plenty of smart, good Christian Methodists Ilsa Sep 2021 #10
I have many cousins who BlueMTexpat Sep 2021 #21
Especially unusual, though, since wnylib Sep 2021 #38
A particularly famous Methodist Moebym Sep 2021 #46
Like Hillary Rodham Clinton, for example! 😁 ShazzieB Sep 2021 #50
KNR niyad Sep 2021 #11
It's a false moral high ground dlk Sep 2021 #13
Very powerful PatSeg Sep 2021 #14
They just hate actual women--not the men who impregnate them. Lonestarblue Sep 2021 #31
So it would seem PatSeg Sep 2021 #32
just shared on fb. they know they should give a shit about someone. mopinko Sep 2021 #15
Methodist preachers can have a surprising voice when roused. jaxexpat Sep 2021 #17
KnR!! sarchasm Sep 2021 #19
Just followed him on Twitter: demmiblue Sep 2021 #20
Excellent. I went to Barnhart's twitter page ... ananda Sep 2021 #22
Besides describing the falseness of the anti-abortion politicians, it is beautifully written. Escurumbele Sep 2021 #23
Good work, my friend. And a very good essay! calimary Sep 2021 #27
K & R...well stated...nt Wounded Bear Sep 2021 #24
Daaaaaaaaaaayum. Boy-oh-boy does THAT ever nail it. calimary Sep 2021 #25
THIS x 1,000,000,000 !!!!!!!!!!!!! Martin Eden Sep 2021 #26
....... marmar Sep 2021 #28
Perfection. Absolute perfection. dixiechiken1 Sep 2021 #29
Very good! Thank you for PatrickforB Sep 2021 #30
Very well said. This advocacy requires nothing more... 3catwoman3 Sep 2021 #33
like my mom always said about the GOP jovibennett Sep 2021 #34
Facade. moondust Sep 2021 #36
Where is this Methodist Pastor, David Barnhart from? I'd attend a service to thank him if I could. hlthe2b Sep 2021 #37
Plus, if you are a man, you never have to worry about the great sin of having had an abortion. pnwmom Sep 2021 #39
Perfect! pandr32 Sep 2021 #40
"It's almost as if, having been born, they are dead to you." The Unmitigated Gall Sep 2021 #41
KICK orangecrush Sep 2021 #42
I read it before once, & it states the case perfectly Hekate Sep 2021 #43
I never thought I would be proud to say I grew up Methodist... cayugafalls Sep 2021 #44
This pastor gets it. n/t Moebym Sep 2021 #45
Expressed perfectly. Wingus Dingus Sep 2021 #47
Wow! Maine Abu El Banat Sep 2021 #48
CORRECT! Skittles Sep 2021 #49
K&R Blue Owl Sep 2021 #51
Ooo-wee, that's well written. ZZenith Sep 2021 #52

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
2. Ouch! All Repukes listen up.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 08:49 AM
Sep 2021

The pastor is speaking the truth, unfortunately. These people live among us and he has explained their MO about as closely as one can.

Republicans deserve every bit of criticism they are getting from the general public. Their antics have been used for longer than one can believe and they are just about as effective. Once an election is over, you never hear a whisper from them about abortion. Abortions and guns are their "go to" for a win. Time to rub their faces in their motives.

CurtEastPoint

(18,622 posts)
8. The ending to the quote...
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 09:11 AM
Sep 2021

Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn.”

https://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/20481488.Methodist_Pastor_David_Barnhart

FakeNoose

(32,594 posts)
12. Thanks for posting the entire quote
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 09:29 AM
Sep 2021

I don't know what David Barnhart's story is. He doesn't appear to be political. But wouldn't it be nice if he - or someone like him - ran for Governor of Texas?

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
10. There are plenty of smart, good Christian Methodists
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 09:15 AM
Sep 2021

around who don't mind stirring the pot and agitating against fascism, racism, homophobia, etc. It's great to see one calling out the fraud of the "pro-life" hypocrites.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
21. I have many cousins who
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 09:46 AM
Sep 2021

are Methodists exactly like this pastor.

My mother was raised as a Methodist. She married my father, a Catholic, and raised all five of us children as Catholic.

The Catholic nuns who would come from Minnesota for two weeks each summer to teach us about Catholicism - we were considered to be in "mission" territory because there were no private Catholic schools within a 100-mile radius - would tell us all that our mother was going to Hell because she wasn't a Catholic.

Of course, my numerous non-Catholic cousins - some also Lutheran because their mothers had married Scandinavians - would tell us that WE were the ones going to Hell.

My first husband was Muslim. We divorced amicably enough after 13 years together. My second husband was raised as a Baptist (along the lines of Jimmy Carter and Bill Moyers) and we have been together for 40 years.

Because ALL of us are/were good people and, aside from religious differences, essentially believed in treating all others as we ourselves would like to be treated, I could NEVER believe that ANY of us were going to Hell.

My siblings and I have not been practicing Catholics since we were in our 20s. There are many good things from that religion that we retain, but we are essentially agnostic.

Evangelical "Christianity" as it is practiced in too much of the US is no different from radical religious ideologies anywhere else on the planet and should be regarded as no less than terrorism.

wnylib

(21,341 posts)
38. Especially unusual, though, since
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:50 AM
Sep 2021

the United Methodist church body rejects abortion on demand and approves it only in select situations regarding the health and life of the pregnant woman, or in cases where the fetus is so seriously deformed that it puts the viability of the fetus in question if carried full term.

But his statement does hit on the total hypocrisy of the anti abortion fanatics. The rejection of programs to improve and uplift the lives of the poor, disadvantaged, people needing health care, single mothers, working women, etc. actually increases the numbers of women who seek abortions.

ShazzieB

(16,281 posts)
50. Like Hillary Rodham Clinton, for example! 😁
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 07:01 PM
Sep 2021

Edited to add: Oops, I see Moebym beat me to it!

Good job, Moebym.

PatSeg

(47,279 posts)
32. So it would seem
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:21 AM
Sep 2021

I never hear the impregnator mentioned in any of this. Just innocent bystanders I guess.

mopinko

(70,021 posts)
15. just shared on fb. they know they should give a shit about someone.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 09:33 AM
Sep 2021

but their fellow humans are too complicated for their religion addled brains.

and please edit your post to pick up the last line. posted in one of the replies above.

jaxexpat

(6,803 posts)
17. Methodist preachers can have a surprising voice when roused.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 09:37 AM
Sep 2021

No bible thumping, hell and brimstone with these guys. They simply eviscerate sin by citing truths about it.

Absolute RADICALS!

Escurumbele

(3,378 posts)
23. Besides describing the falseness of the anti-abortion politicians, it is beautifully written.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:19 AM
Sep 2021

And THAT...is the perfect description of the hypocrisy of the republicans who constantly advocate against abortion. You see, abortion is just a very convenient topic to lure the so called religious people who hardly understand the real object of the republican party constant push against abortion. republicans know very well that those who cheer for wars, who now rally against vaccines that actually save lives, who also push for people to ingest horse medicine and Clorox, who praise an immoral and very corrupt man, those who never bother to find the truth on anything, they just follow, they will believe the fantasy that "republicans value life", they don't seem to realize that the majority of wars which are done in far away places with the excuse of "defending the country" when there really is no threat from people thousands of miles away, republicans sending kids to war for profit, who receive money from the NRA and refuse to pass laws to control guns that kill a lot of people like in the massacres in Orlando, in High Schools around the country, etc., republicans who want you to think the people who committed the insurrection against the Capitol and Democracy were just "tourists" and are now "political victims", those same republicans who have actually had abortions done for their families and mistresses, those are the ones who want you to think they really believe that life is precious. Nope...they could not care less for other people's lives, that is why they tell you lies about the vaccines, why they continue to call COVID-19 a hoax, why they fight against masks at schools when they know it will kill kids and adults, that is why trump denied to do anything to prevent the deaths from COVID and kept telling lies about it (there is a tape from an interview of trump by Bob Woodward where you can hear trump say that he knows how terrible COVID is, but that he wants to keep it quiet), so stop believing republicans with their anti-abortion chants, its just a show done just for you, the religious believer. I mean, if you believe that all you need is faith without proof, they know you will believe anything.

I sent the above to friends who still believe in republicans. Some of them are beginning to doubt, I will hopefully open the eyes of a couple of them.

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
39. Plus, if you are a man, you never have to worry about the great sin of having had an abortion.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:52 AM
Sep 2021

So it must be the biggest sin of all, right?

The Unmitigated Gall

(3,780 posts)
41. "It's almost as if, having been born, they are dead to you."
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 12:42 PM
Sep 2021

So apropos of the death-worshipping cult we call the republican party.

cayugafalls

(5,639 posts)
44. I never thought I would be proud to say I grew up Methodist...
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 01:26 PM
Sep 2021

Being an Atheist now, this makes me think there is some good out there in the religious world.

The good Pastor nailed it.

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