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FoxNewsSucks

(10,415 posts)
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:24 AM Sep 2021

Has DeJoy put the final nail in the USPS' coffin?

He's been a disaster. Clearly having the goal to grift from the post office while destroying it from within, probably to set up the transfer of ownership to one of the corporate shippers eager to eliminate a competitor and get their greedy hands on that multi-billion dollar retirement fund.

It's not uncommon for companies that send bills to encourage customers to go "paperless". They don't have to print or pay to mail anything. The customer can pay online and save writing a check and paying to mail it. But this week, I got three emails which were different from the usual "go paperless". They specifically cited the announced changes to first-class mail as the motivation. Implying that those still using mail to receive bills and send payment will be at greater risk of late payments and fees.

I've seen the posts and stories about how Biden can't "just fire" DeJoy. And that for some reason there's a democrat that likes him. Not sure how that individual can still call themselves a Democrat, but anyway.

Failing to use whatever procedure necessary, as quickly as allowed, to get rid of DeJoy and fix the damage to the USPS is a pretty big ball to have dropped. I've always used the postal service as much as possible, and the slowdown since last year is getting worse.

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Has DeJoy put the final nail in the USPS' coffin? (Original Post) FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 OP
I don't understand that either. nt leftyladyfrommo Sep 2021 #1
Stamps went up to 58 cents moose65 Sep 2021 #2
Destroying the USPS will hurt as many repubs as dems. CrispyQ Sep 2021 #3
What's The Financial Incentive? ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #11
Pascrell again calls on Biden to clean house Mysterian Sep 2021 #4
We deserve an explanation for NOT doing FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #6
Biden can't fire them, only the board can oust its members Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #8
That's not correct Mysterian Sep 2021 #10
Biden cannot fire the USPS board of governors without triggering a constitutional crisis Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #13
You stated Biden cannot fire board members, which is incorrect Mysterian Sep 2021 #14
Again, why would Biden distract from his agenda, when DeJoy will be gone anyway in 4 months? Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #15
He should have done it several months ago. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #20
Well, now that we agree the President can fire USPS board members, Mysterian Sep 2021 #21
This administration's failures to make these big, cilla4progress Sep 2021 #7
The administration isn't creating apathy StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #22
Sounds pretty maximalist and finite with no room for other points of view. cilla4progress Sep 2021 #23
As I said ... StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #24
I wonder why you have to frame this so personally, cilla4progress Sep 2021 #29
The changes that are occurring at USPS should have been made years ago. The mail and Hoyt Sep 2021 #9
Modernization-type changes are not what is causing the problerm. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #18
Got any examples? Hoyt Sep 2021 #27
They Can't Sell Off The USPS ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #12
True, it can't be done at this time FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #16
Contracting all the work out to nonunion companies Sewa Sep 2021 #25
That's Not Constitutional, Either ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #26
The Supreme Court my decide otherwise Sewa Sep 2021 #30
Silly ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #32
That's your best defense lol Sewa Sep 2021 #33
DeJoy would never have been in his position had one Senator not blocked four of Obama's nominations. George II Sep 2021 #17
Actually, I think there were five. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #19
And we just sit here with our thumbs up our asses, doing nothing to stop DeJoy? Paladin Sep 2021 #28
I'm getting the feeling some Dems support him Sewa Sep 2021 #31

moose65

(3,166 posts)
2. Stamps went up to 58 cents
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:30 AM
Sep 2021

Not that big of a deal. Of course, slowing down the mail IS a big deal. Ugh.

Is there anything in either infrastructure bill dealing with the Postal Service? Like getting rid of that ridiculous pre-funding mandate, or injecting money into the system? I hope so.

CrispyQ

(36,421 posts)
3. Destroying the USPS will hurt as many repubs as dems.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:35 AM
Sep 2021

Trump thought it would help him win the election, but DeJoy's got financial incentive.

I've also seen much slower service than before.

ProfessorGAC

(64,851 posts)
11. What's The Financial Incentive?
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 02:34 PM
Sep 2021

Dejoy is an idiot, a partisan hack, and a poor business operator. (New Breed was NOT some roaring success.))
But, this thing with him is political and a reflection on his rotten business skills, not financial.
If you're referring, perhaps, to that trivium about XPO getting a contract, that's not it either.
At best, he makes $30,000 on that deal. He's worth over 30 million. It's pocket change. His wife gives more than that to charity every month.
XPO has had contracts with USPS for more than 25 years.
DeJoy never worked for XPO.
They want nothing to do with him. He's a minor stockholder with no influence over corporate direction.
Yes, he needs to go but his actions are those of an incompetent boob who is in a job way over his head. Financial considerations don't come into play with his stupid ideas.

Mysterian

(4,568 posts)
4. Pascrell again calls on Biden to clean house
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:41 AM
Sep 2021
PATERSON, NJ – Highlighting what has been uncovered from various investigations of U.S. Postmaster General Louis DeJoy, U.S. Rep. Bill Pascrell, Jr. (D-NJ-09) today urgently wrote to President Joe Biden again calling on him to fire all the Trump-appointed members of the United States Postal Service (USPS) Board of Governors to allow the board the opportunity to remove DeJoy and end his destructive leadership of America’s cherished Post Office.


https://www.insidernj.com/press-release/pascrell-calls-biden-clean-house-post-office-board/

Is Representative Pascrell the only one who gives a damn?

Response to Mysterian (Reply #4)

Fiendish Thingy

(15,548 posts)
8. Biden can't fire them, only the board can oust its members
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 11:39 AM
Sep 2021

The terms of one Republican and a DeJoy supporting Democrat expire at the end of the year; Biden could fill the Democratic vacancy and leave the GOP slot empty, and the board would have a majority that could oust DeJoy.

Mysterian

(4,568 posts)
10. That's not correct
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 02:15 PM
Sep 2021

The Presient can remove USPS board members. Rep. Pascrell is urging the President to do that.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,548 posts)
13. Biden cannot fire the USPS board of governors without triggering a constitutional crisis
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 02:46 PM
Sep 2021
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/02/biden-cannot-fire-usps-louis-dejoy.html

Why distract from his legislative agenda when DeJoy will be canned via standard procedure in 4 months?

Mysterian

(4,568 posts)
14. You stated Biden cannot fire board members, which is incorrect
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 03:13 PM
Sep 2021

Biden cannot fire DeJoy, but he can fire board members who refuse to remove DeJoy. The board could then remove DeJoy. As Rep. Pascrell notes, there is cause to fire board members who continue to support DeJoy's destructive leadership.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,415 posts)
20. He should have done it several months ago.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 03:29 PM
Sep 2021

Compared to the rest of the shitshow MF45 left behind, fixing that would have been relatively simple.

And also should have been done because it would have resulted in immediate improvement that the public could see.

Mysterian

(4,568 posts)
21. Well, now that we agree the President can fire USPS board members,
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 03:34 PM
Sep 2021

I will defer to Representative Pascrell, who understands how much damage can be done to USPS in five months.

https://www.insidernj.com/press-release/pascrell-calls-biden-clean-house-post-office-board/

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
7. This administration's failures to make these big,
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 10:55 AM
Sep 2021

necessary, changes are creating apathy, I fear.

Demoralizing.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. The administration isn't creating apathy
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 03:36 PM
Sep 2021

People who consistently whine that the administration isn't doing exactly what they want it to do precisely when and how they want it done, who often don't bother to learn what the administration actually does and doesn't have the power to do, and refuse to consider the reasons for action or inaction, regardless how often and clearly the reasons are explained to them are a major reason for apathy.

That and the fact that some people are hellbent on finding something to complain about regardless the circumstances.

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
23. Sounds pretty maximalist and finite with no room for other points of view.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 03:46 PM
Sep 2021

I contend: the lack of any significant accountability - Gaetz, TFG, Giuliani, DeJoy, ad infinitium, IS creating apathy AND is demoralizing.

Garland was a weak pick and the wrong one for the wrong reasons.

I will concede, should something major transpire in time for the 2022 mid-terms.

Otherwise, bye bye Dem slim majorities.

Mark my words. Sadly.

This is fighting the 2021 election with a 1970s - or even 2008 hope and change - idealism. That electorate no longer exists.

I can't change this to make some people happy and comfortable.

cilla4progress

(24,717 posts)
29. I wonder why you have to frame this so personally,
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 05:27 PM
Sep 2021

and insultingly: "people who consistently whine...and don't bother to learn"... "hellbent on finding something to complain about"?

What if it is just a different point of view?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. The changes that are occurring at USPS should have been made years ago. The mail and
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 12:17 PM
Sep 2021

packages the Postal Services handles have changed dramatically. The had way too many big sorting machines, the Blue Boxes started being removed in the 1980s, there were/are lots of inefficiencies at local Post Offices, the vast majority of mail doesn't need to be delivered in one or two days, ballots were delivered despite mass hysteria, packages are more important nowadays, and more.

I have not seen much slowdown that wasn't attributable to CV19, the USPS was hit pretty hard with infected employees.

In any event, whether it's DeJoy or a less abrasive Democrat, the USPS is going to change.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,415 posts)
18. Modernization-type changes are not what is causing the problerm.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 03:19 PM
Sep 2021

There's nothing at all wrong with updating, adapting, and modernizing with a goal of improvement. But that's not what DeJoy is doing.

And any disruption from C-19 are also not the problem.

ProfessorGAC

(64,851 posts)
12. They Can't Sell Off The USPS
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 02:37 PM
Sep 2021

It's the one business entity constitutionally mandated.
The government MUST provide a postal system that is controlled by that same government.
DeJoy is a buffoon & a snake, but he doesn't have plans to sell to a competitor. Just can't happen.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,415 posts)
16. True, it can't be done at this time
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 03:16 PM
Sep 2021

The constitution is the only thing keeping the post office a government entity.

When fascist republicons are able to call a constitutional convention to rewrite it to suit their corporate and oligarch owners, changing the USPS will be minor in comparison to everything else they have in mind.

Sewa

(1,250 posts)
25. Contracting all the work out to nonunion companies
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 04:00 PM
Sep 2021

would have the same effect as selling it. 💀🤙

ProfessorGAC

(64,851 posts)
26. That's Not Constitutional, Either
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 05:05 PM
Sep 2021

The document says the government must OPERATE a postal service that is directly controlled by the government.
Outsourcing all services removes the obligation to control & provide oversight.
There might be some conservatives who have this as a dream, but even they know they can't really do it.
What DeJoy is up to is reducing service quality to make people angry with the USPS and go elsewhere. But, that's extraordinarily unlikely.
Just think about this: where's the evidence that DeJoy is a successful strategist? XPO bought his pissant company, when they wanted to increase their presence in the southeast, because it got them a little brick & mortar, a starter customer list, and eliminated a competitor/gnat. It was NOT because New Breed was some archetype of success in the logistics industry.
Had XPO not bought them, they would have moved in anyway and buried New Breed. The buyout was more about the other stockholders.
Last point: of New Breed's executive committee, 2 people didn't get hired by XPO. One guy who chose to retire & DeJoy. XPO had zero use for him.

Sewa

(1,250 posts)
30. The Supreme Court my decide otherwise
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 05:28 PM
Sep 2021

Over seeing subcontractors could be considered operating. 💀🤙

FoxNewsSucks

(10,415 posts)
19. Actually, I think there were five.
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 03:27 PM
Sep 2021

Three democrats and two republicons (who were picked by McConnell). Likely because that was the deal to get Moscow Mitch to allow the full slate.

The postal union asked the Senator to block them because the republicons were so toxic. At that time, privatization of the postal service was indeed the goal. It still is. The constitution makes that goal very difficult, but not impossible.

Sewa

(1,250 posts)
31. I'm getting the feeling some Dems support him
Sat Sep 4, 2021, 06:27 PM
Sep 2021

Look at the pro-Dejoy post in this thread. 💀🤙

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