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Sep 4, 2021
Bolton, MS & Wilson, WYChairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS) and Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) today made the following statement regarding Minority Leader McCarthys false claim that the FBI and Senate committees have concluded that the former President had no involvement in the January 6th insurrection:
Minority Leader McCarthy has recently made statements regarding the January 6th investigation. He has suggested, based on an anonymous report, that the Department of Justice has concluded that Donald Trump did not cause, incite, or provoke the violence on January 6th. When this anonymous report was first published, the Select Committee queried the Executive Branch agencies and congressional committees involved in the investigation. Weve received answers and briefings from the relevant entities, and its been made clear to us that reports of such a conclusion are baseless. We will continue to pursue all elements of this investigation in a nonpartisan and thorough manner. We also remind Minority Leader McCarthy of his statements following January 6th, including his statement from the House Floor on January 13thwhich are inconsistent with his recent comments.
https://january6th.house.gov/news/press-releases/thompson-cheney-statement-mccarthy-s-january-6th-misinformation-campaign
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Lovie777
(12,207 posts)The republican party can't handle the truth, Christians my arse.
Nevilledog
(50,974 posts)The notion there was no link is now set in concrete with the MAGAts
sarchasm
(1,011 posts)It's extremely difficult, I'll grant them, but their lack of effective timing is making it infinitely more difficult to counter the lies.
PatSeg
(47,233 posts)It has become common practice among republicans these days. It doesn't matter what you say, as you are just speaking to the base and they don't care if you lie. Unfortunately for them, that does not work in our legal system, where truth takes precedent.
jaxexpat
(6,790 posts)Unfortunately the delaying of justice has baked itself into our system so that well healed parties can, essentially, forgo the price of their crimes indefinitely.
PatSeg
(47,233 posts)Of course, I like to believe that their many lies and transgressions will catch up with them eventually.
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Mr.Bill
(24,228 posts)it doesn't work well at the ballot box either. Gerrymandering is what won them most elections they won.
PatSeg
(47,233 posts)It is no coincidence that politicians tend to rate higher on the sociopathy scale than average. It is the perfect career for those who think lying and cheating in the pursuit of success is acceptable behavior. Ironically, one of their favorite campaign selling points is morality. They truly are shameless.
jaxexpat
(6,790 posts)In an overpopulated planet, shame would be, logically, one of the first social characteristics to go extinct. Being innately shameless would put them ahead of the curve. Thus altruism hastens toward antiquity, the waste pit of history.
I believe it's a phenomenon that, like stampeding lemmings, cannot be turned.
PatSeg
(47,233 posts)Being shameless and indifferent to the needs of others could insure survival for some, though not necessarily civilization as a whole. It frequently dawns on me that there clearly are too many people on the planet and given the nature of humans, it is not sustainable.
A more enlightened species would be able to recognize the threats looming on the horizon and make appropriate adjustments. Unfortunately as you suggest, too many of our species are "lemmings", incapable or unwilling to think beyond their immediate wants and needs.
jaxexpat
(6,790 posts)PatSeg
(47,233 posts)It really depends on when you ask me. There are days when I am cautiously optimistic and others where I think I'm living in a disaster movie. Today seems to be disaster movie mode.
Even so, I still think civilization will survive, but things will probably get worse before they get better. Then there will have to be some very drastic and overwhelming changes in humanity - a quantum leap forward. I do believe that is what will happen, but the transition won't be a comfortable one. So I think the long game is an optimistic one.
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leftieNanner
(15,056 posts)Wrong! He's a deeply stupid man with no political skills. Throwing shit against the wall to see if anything sticks.
He has opened himself up to investigations IMHO.
Escurumbele
(3,373 posts)And by the looks of it McCarthy has double duty, that of ass-kisser and c^&&-sucker.
What a little man McCarthy is. A man is not defined by his physical height, he is defined by the strength of his principles, and McCarthy has none, no dignity.
A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
~~ Dwight Eisenhower
McCarthy may have had principles, if he did he lost that, and lets hope he soon looses the rest.
SergeStorms
(19,131 posts)Congress-critter (save a handful) he comes in into contact with, into the same lying, cheating, lawless, miscreant as himself.
Either he has kompromat on nearly everyone from his boss, Vladimir Putin, or the vast majority of GQP Congress-critters are ready, willing, and able to be turned at the drop of a hat to begin with. Or both.
Everything Trump touches becomes diseased and eventually dies. He's as toxic as PCBs.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,788 posts)
And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you dont fight like hell, youre not going to have a country anymore.
Our exciting adventures and boldest endeavors have not yet begun. My fellow Americans, for our movement, for our children, and for our beloved country.
And I say this despite all thats happened. The best is yet to come.
So were going to, were going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue. I love Pennsylvania Avenue. And were going to the Capitol, and were going to try and give.
The Democrats are hopeless, they never vote for anything. Not even one vote. But were going to try and give our Republicans, the weak ones because the strong ones dont need any of our help. Were going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country.
So lets walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.
Source: https://www.fox61.com/article/news/nation-world/trump-save-america-rally-speech-before-capitol-riot-transcript/507-07d5ea40-a357-4bd9-bdb2-6e5cc384f325?utm_campaign=snd-autopilot
malaise
(268,637 posts)And then his coup failed
Kid Berwyn
(14,788 posts)Donald Trump Is Now a Terrorist Leader
The attack on the Capitol is the culmination of Trumpism, and the GOP owns this.
David Corn
Mother Jones, Jan. 6, 2021
This is what Donald Trump has unleashed upon the United States: an unprecedented act of domestic terrorism.
Snip...
Trump owned this terrorism. He has whipped up his cultish followers with lies and conspiracy theories. At a rally on Wednesday morning, Trump told his supporters that the 2020 election was a grave crime and that Republicans and Democrats on the Hill were about to destroy American democracy by accepting the results. (During that event, Rudy Giuliani, Trumps lawyer and chief coup-stirrer, called for trial by combat.) Trump directed his frenzied supporters toward the Capitol, where they breached police lines and took over the building. They shut down Congress. They terrorized lawmakers and staff, they fought with security forces, they broke American democracy.
This is all Trumps doing. He has encouraged violence among his supporters since the 2016 campaign. At his rallies, he encouraged followers to assault protesters and provoked violent threats against journalists. During the Black Lives Matter protests, he threatened to shoot looters. When asked during a campaign debate if he condemned the Proud Boys, violent pro-Trump shock troops, he told them to stand back and stand by. Wink, wink. As my colleague Mark Follman has reported, Trump has long played footsie with far-right radicals. Elizabeth Neumann, a former Department of Homeland Security official who focused on counterterrorism and threat prevention, contended in a Washington Post op-ed that Trump has been fomenting violence: Language from campaign materials and Trumps extemporaneous speeches at rallies have been used as justification for acts of violence. His inconsistent and muddied criticism of violence and white supremacists, she pointed out, exacerbated the problem: Extremists thrive on this mixed messaging, interpreting it as coded support.
By depicting his electoral loss as a theft and profound threat to the nation, Trump signaled to his followers, especially the extremists, that now was a desperate time requiring desperate measures. With such talk, he has become the instigator of one of the most significant terrorist actions in modern American history.
But Trump is not the sole author of this horrific assault on the US government and the citizenry. He has been enabled and supported for years by the Republican Party, Fox News, and other right-wing media, and the conservative movement, even as he fueled hatred and division and his corruptions were repeatedly exposed. They excused his aiding and abetting of a foreign adversarys attack on the United States. They turned a blind eye to the brazen abuse of power that led to his impeachment. They cheered him, as he downplayed a pandemic, ignored public health guidance, and allowed tens of thousands of Americans to perish in preventable deaths. They remained silent as Trump repeatedly demonstrated he had no respect for democratic norms or the basic norms of decency. They remained silent as he presented tens of thousands of lies and false statements to the American public. Instead, they protected him, they hailed him as their leader.
Continues...
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/01/donald-trump-is-now-a-terrorist-leader/
malaise
(268,637 posts)MAGAban - lock them up and ban them.
broiles
(1,367 posts)SergeStorms
(19,131 posts)That article describes the orange maggot perfectly. Trump and his GQP henchmen lie to the MAGAts, and those poor stupid souls believe every word they're told.
Donald Trump is a terrorist leader.
PJMcK
(21,988 posts)Just like everything in his pathetic life.
Trump is a loser and an idiot.
malaise
(268,637 posts)fuck
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Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)We fight like hell. And if you dont fight like hell, youre not going to have a country anymore.
Republicans are trying to take our country away from us, not by winning with popular policies but by lying, cheating, and stealing elections. If Congress fails to pass the voting rights act and the bill protecting reproductive rights, Democrats will have abdicated their responsibilities to their own voters. And yes I know its only a few Democrats who are protecting the filibuster at the expense of ensuring basic rights, but Democrats have the power to pass these bills. They need to use that power instead of squabbling over a rule that has lost its purpose. Anyone who thinks that Mitch McConnell would not ditch the filibuster in a heartbeat to protect big corporations and the wealthy while taking away the rights of minorities is just living in la-la land.
If the voting rights bill especially is not passed, Republicans will not even have to get rid of the filibuster when they have majorities again. They will cheat to ensue that they always have the 60 votes in the Senate to pass anything they want. And they will also ensure that Democrats remain the permanent minority. That was Karl Rives goal with his REDMAP, and only the voting rights act can help prevent the achievement of that goal. I really do not understand any Democrat who still ascribes goodwill to any Republican. They have none.
Kid Berwyn
(14,788 posts)Thats whats been proved and shown in the Press. From what else is known, they also murder.
The Big Fascist Lie goes waaay back.
Just our Bill
By Dennis Roddy
Saturday, December 02, 2000
Lito Pena is sure of his memory. Thirty-six years ago he, then a Democratic Party poll watcher, got into a shoving match with a Republican who had spent the opening hours of the 1964 election doing his damnedest to keep people from voting in south Phoenix.
"He was holding up minority voters because he knew they were going to vote Democratic," said Pena.
The guy called himself Bill. He knew the law and applied it with the precision of a swordsman. He sat at the table at the Bethune School, a polling place brimming with black citizens, and quizzed voters ad nauseam about where they were from, how long they'd lived there -- every question in the book. A passage of the Constitution was read and people who spoke broken English were ordered to interpret it to prove they had the language skills to vote.
By the time Pena arrived at Bethune, he said, the line to vote was four abreast and a block long. People were giving up and going home.
SNIP
Party leaders told him not to get physical, but this was the second straight election in which Republicans had sent out people to intellectually rough up the voters. The project even had a name: Operation Eagle Eye.
CONTINUED
http://old.post-gazette.com/columnists/20001202roddy.asp
Lonestarblue
(9,958 posts)And its my fear now that Republicans have passed ever-more drastic voting laws that their poll watchers will do the same to todays voters, especially if their language skills prevent them from fully understanding their right to vote. People like the Proud Boys will line up to be poll watchers in democratic precincts.
crickets
(25,949 posts)RKP5637
(67,083 posts)There is really not much left of the GOP from decades ago when it was somewhat reputable.
azureblue
(2,144 posts)what boggles my mind is the fact that Trump killed some 650,000 Americans, and the GOP continues to kill Americans, all in the name of using Covid for political leverage. And the media, heck, no one, calls them on it. Ignore it, sweep it under the rug, minimize it.
RKP5637
(67,083 posts)party of crazies, really. ... in fact, inhumane. And some/many? wear that as a badge of honor. So many in the US side with wackos. It's still incredible someone like Trump was elected ... and many still praise this despicable character. Fuck, I wish I had moved to Canada years ago when I had a chance ... but never did I ever even imagine so many in the US would be as they are today.
calimary
(81,085 posts)No, excuse me. Make that DECADES. NOT mere years. Ever since I realized they were against so much of what I believed. They seemed oppositional to EVERYTHING I cared about - worshipping at the altar of power, dominance, and monopolized wealth. And domination of women.
I found myself wondering why there was so much energy put into keeping women in their place. A place predetermined by men. I always wondered why it was - that men felt the need or desire to push women down. Why? What were they afraid of?
I remember bristling against the word housewives. WTF??? I remember the entertainer Art Linkletter doing his fun little TV shows and always referring to housewives. I remember the guy hosting Queen for a Day and talking about housewives. I remember seeing documents in the school office that described somebodys dad as doctor, businessman, lawyer, and the mom was housewife. MY mom thought of herself as a housewife. I guess most if not all of them did, back then. And I thought WTF??? (Back then I was too young to have used or understood the F word, but still felt the outrage.)
I remember thinking - even as a kid - I will NEVER be a housewife! NO interest in that whatsoever. I knew there was more to life than that. There would have to be. At least for me. Ive been married for more than 40 years by now. And I am STILL NOT a housewife. Never was. Never will be. The very word housewife is demeaning.
RKP5637
(67,083 posts)parent's choice, not in the least. They were FDR democrats. Yes, it's always been a gross repressive political party. Anyone in the GOP of today really has to be viewed with extreme caution.
calimary
(81,085 posts)In some elections, for me at least, all I need to know is: whats the party affiliation here? D or R? And thats what makes the decision. Its ALWAYS gonna be D over R. At least for me.
And even if the R SEEMS moderate enough, I always worry about who that R would bring into office with him. And yes, its usually a him, not a her. Whos in his back office? And what kind of power and influence does that person have - and worse, who does that person have, advising him - in HIS back office?
RKP5637
(67,083 posts)sarchasm
(1,011 posts)It's what they'll evolve into next that keeps me up at night.
RKP5637
(67,083 posts)chip away at the US democracy. It's damn chilling.
spanone
(135,776 posts)ashredux
(2,598 posts)PCIntern
(25,466 posts)AllaN01Bear
(17,937 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)I went to another message board and shoved that statement right up a troll's ass. I don't expect to hear from him again on the subject.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,361 posts)a source or reports say addendum to the bullshit spewed by FauxNews.
Kingofalldems
(38,417 posts)Knew it was BS.
The Unmitigated Gall
(3,773 posts)I wish somehow the entire state of California could just get up and take a giant shit on you.
Liar.
Coward.
Seditionist scumbag.
Youd probably get off on it though.
haele
(12,635 posts)One could not lie outright, there had to be a grain of truth, even if no longer applicable, when priming the media for a
propaganda bomb. That way one can always claim plausible deniability when it backfires.
One also has to be consistent with one's lies.
Qevin McCarthy is spinning faster than a twist-a-whirl puke ride. No one can take what he says seriously.
Haele
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,876 posts)Link to tweet
Sep 4, 2021
Bolton, MS & Wilson, WYChairman Bennie G. Thompson (D-MS) and Vice Chair Liz Cheney (R-WY) today made the following statement regarding Minority Leader McCarthys false claim that the FBI and Senate committees have concluded that the former President had no involvement in the January 6th insurrection:
Minority Leader McCarthy has recently made statements regarding the January 6th investigation. He has suggested, based on an anonymous report, that the Department of Justice has concluded that Donald Trump did not cause, incite, or provoke the violence on January 6th. When this anonymous report was first published, the Select Committee queried the Executive Branch agencies and congressional committees involved in the investigation. Weve received answers and briefings from the relevant entities, and its been made clear to us that reports of such a conclusion are baseless. We will continue to pursue all elements of this investigation in a nonpartisan and thorough manner. We also remind Minority Leader McCarthy of his statements following January 6th, including his statement from the House Floor on January 13thwhich are inconsistent with his recent comments.
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