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Demovictory9

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Sun Sep 5, 2021, 05:20 AM Sep 2021

"Crushingly Cruel" shocking new speech has plunged Mormons into another furious battle over gay righ

“Crushingly Cruel”
A shocking new speech has plunged Mormons into another furious battle over gay rights and the church’s future.

On Aug. 23, Jeffrey R. Holland, Brigham Young University’s former president and a senior apostle in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, gave an inflammatory speech to BYU faculty and staff. In it, he urged faculty to take up metaphorical muskets to defend the faith. He called on them to be both builders of knowledge and defenders of the institution—the church—that determines whether the university exists and the faculty get funding to do their jobs, a fact he reminded them of multiple times in the speech. His words were unmistakably a call to arms: Holland used the word “fire” 10 times, “musket” eight times, and made multiple references to “friendly fire,” “wounds,” and “scarring.” In particular, he called for “more musket fire” from BYU’s faculty to defend Mormonism’s official position on the inferiority and social dangers of same-sex relationships and marriages.


On Aug. 23, Jeffrey R. Holland, Brigham Young University’s former president and a senior apostle in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, gave an inflammatory speech to BYU faculty and staff. In it, he urged faculty to take up metaphorical muskets to defend the faith. He called on them to be both builders of knowledge and defenders of the institution—the church—that determines whether the university exists and the faculty get funding to do their jobs, a fact he reminded them of multiple times in the speech. His words were unmistakably a call to arms: Holland used the word “fire” 10 times, “musket” eight times, and made multiple references to “friendly fire,” “wounds,” and “scarring.” In particular, he called for “more musket fire” from BYU’s faculty to defend Mormonism’s official position on the inferiority and social dangers of same-sex relationships and marriages.


Though the speech was directed at the faculty of BYU, it has shocked Mormons and ex-Mormons far beyond the university in its aggressive tone toward the LGBT community. Just two years ago, the church received much public praise for rescinding a 2015 policy, controversial among Mormons at the time, that declared the minor children of gay people could not be baptized into or join the church as members—at least not until they were 18 years old, and only then if they would denounce their parents’ marriage and condemn their sexuality. Given how contentious the question of gay rights has been among Mormons since the church threw its whole weight behind California’s anti-gay-marriage Proposition 8 in 2008, the post-2019 period has been one of welcome relative quiet from the church. That is, until Monday.

https://slate.com/human-interest/2021/09/mormon-lds-church-gay-rights-controversy-byu-speech.html

Holland cited as his inspiration for the speech a couple of anonymous letters from concerned believers who have been watching the rise of LGBT acceptance at BYU. “You should know,” Holland read ominously from a letter sent by one faithful informant, “that some people in the extended community are feeling abandoned and betrayed by BYU.” The letter accused faculty of publicly contradicting Mormon gospel with their LGBT support, and warned that some faithful Mormon parents wonder whether it is even worthwhile to send their children to BYU, rather than some other school.

Holland’s targets weren’t just limited to the faculty. He singled out one openly gay BYU alum in particular, former valedictorian Matt Easton, who came out as gay in his 2019 commencement speech. In simply identifying himself as gay in the course of the speech, Holland alleged, Easton had “commandeered” the 2019 ceremony. Holland asked the faculty Monday, “What might another speaker feel free to announce the next year, until eventually anything goes? What might commencement come to mean—or not mean—if we push individual license over institutional dignity for very long?”

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"Crushingly Cruel" shocking new speech has plunged Mormons into another furious battle over gay righ (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2021 OP
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thanks for providing all these additional links Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #7
Pasty-ass homophobic cult member says what? YDogg Sep 2021 #2
Precisely! hatrack Sep 2021 #3
Almost sounds like he is multigraincracker Sep 2021 #4
Hmm. Makes me wonder. . , niyad Sep 2021 #5
All the Mormon leadership has to do is discover/invent another revelation like they did about blacks keithbvadu2 Sep 2021 #6
smile in your face while they pick your pocket and stab u in the back nt msongs Sep 2021 #8

mahatmakanejeeves

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I don't get the impression that he was expressing an official policy. He was just someone delivering an address at a conference.

Read the transcript of #LDS apostle Jeffrey R. Holland’s speech where he shared his stance on challenges to church doctrines regarding same-sex marriage and LGBTQ issues at #BYU.



‘We must have the will to stand alone’ — Read LDS apostle Jeffrey R. Holland’s talk at BYU

The church leader oversaw the Provo school as president for nearly a decade.

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By The Salt Lake Tribune | Aug. 23, 2021, 4:27 p.m. | Updated: Aug. 26, 2021, 10:44 a.m.

Latter-day Saint apostle Jeffrey R. Holland on Monday addressed the faculty and staff of Brigham Young University, a school he oversaw as president from 1980 to 1989.

In a news release, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints made available the following transcript of his speech, titled “The Second Half of the Second Century”:


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The festival was held at Kiwanis Park in Provo and was organized by The RaYnbow Collective, a student-run organization that works to provide safe spaces for LGBTQ students and allies at BYU.



‘I thought I was alone, but clearly I am not’ — BYU students and Provo residents gather for LGBTQ festival

Attendees marched to show support for the LGBTQ community after the first week of the fall semester at BYU.

By Connor Sanders | Sep. 4, 2021, 10:06 p.m.

More than 1,000 people gathered for a march, live music and speeches at the Back 2 School Pride Night in Provo on Saturday. Many of the Provo residents and Brigham Young University students in attendance draped rainbow flags, Trans Pride Flags or Bisexual Pride Flags over their backs like capes.

The festival was held at Kiwanis Park in Provo and was organized by The RaYnbow Collective, a student-run organization that works to provide safe spaces for LGBTQ students and allies at BYU.

Maddison Tenney, founder of The Raynbow Collective, started the organization last year after she saw some anti-LGBTQ flyers reading “Are you afraid of the rainbow?” posted on BYU’s campus. She made an Instagram account after seeing the flyers and began organizing events like the Back 2 School Pride night earlier this year.

“Our goal is to connect students to existing organizations, and to give spaces for students to feel safe on and off campus,” Tenney said. “That’s the goal of this event, to connect students and community members to each other so they can support each other and treat each other kindly. Because there’s so many resources out there.”

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Letter: Rev. Curtis Price from Salt Lake City writes, "For decades, Congress has neglected its responsibility to protect the LGBTQ community — but with both parties now proposing to add nondiscrimination protections to the law, 2021 could change that.



After Holland criticized BYU faculty and staff who challenged the LDS Church’s teachings on same-sex marriage, LGBTQ individuals sought community at a Saturday night vigil.



Matt Easton, the BYU valedictorian who came out as gay during a graduation speech in 2019, addresses apostle Jeffrey Holland’s contentious remarks.



LDS Church leader Jeffrey Holland's recent remarks could adversely affect BYU in future attempts to associate with other athletic conferences, Tribune columnist Gordon Monson says.


keithbvadu2

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6. All the Mormon leadership has to do is discover/invent another revelation like they did about blacks
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 12:10 PM
Sep 2021

All the Mormon leadership has to do is discover/invent another revelation like they did about blacks becoming eligible for the priesthood.

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