How the "Revolution" started... and how it's going.

[NurseJackie]

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[ck4829]

1. At a certain point, we have to look at ourselves...

Threads about cursing Susan Sarandon and going "She thought a revolution would happen, what an idiot": They undergo a nuclear reaction and become highly replied-to. I predict this thread will.

Meanwhile, threads about actually resisting what is going on:
Meh
Meh
Meh

Of course, there won't be a revolution or even reform if we ignore suggestions of fighting back and actively resisting what is going on, if we shoot down ideas. That's on us if there is no resistance or rebellion.

[NurseJackie]

2. Meh

That's on us if there is no resistance or rebellion.

Yeah... we're all just sitting around doing nothing.

[Demsrule86]

12. The problem is how do we resist? We have a 6-3 court and could end up with a 7-2 if

Breyer doesn't retire. Many of us obsessed about the courts and warned people...pretty hard to know that those who claim to be our allies didn't have our back. And Susie has done this before...with Gore and I also throw Kerry into the mix too...he was badly beaten up in the primaries. Also, we see signs of the same old crap. The earnest but BS pleas how do we get back disenchanted voters yada yada... The Democratic Party is the only thing standing between us and the abyss right now...not a time to 'hold their feet to the fire (which never works by the way unless your mission is to elect Republicans), sit home and pout rather than voting in all elections or play around with a third party...Times up.

The Green Party really stands for 'get Republicans elected every November. They are as much the enemy as the Republicans and often work with them hand in hand as they did in2016. We have two elections to get through and I don't think we will have any more chances to save the Republic from a determined and ruthless enemy...the Republican Party. Winning elections means everything at this moment. We need more Democrats in every office in this country.

[wellst0nev0ter]

21. Libertarian Party had more votes than Green Party

The fact that Democrats are even in position to be spoiled by Jill Stein or Susan Sarandon shows that the party really needs to reform itself.

[Demsrule86]

31. Such BS...the Green Party concentrated their efforts in vulnerable

rustbelt states...Stein's votes had they gone to Hillary would have put her over the top. The Green Party stands for 'get republicans elected every November'. Susie Q...the traitor to our party has already announced her intention to work to improve third-party chances so voters can have a choice that is not between the er 'lesser of two evils. Yeah, she grudgingly supported President Biden ('evil guy and all') 'I guess she thinks electing more Republicans will help with her so-called revolution. She is still at it...she helped give us Trump as did every single voter who stayed home, wrote in someone, voted for Stein (Russian princess), and those who claim to be on our side who even voted for Trump. I guess they were 'starting the revolution'. And with thousands of Americans dead from Covid and our Republic on life support, I have zero patience with them.

I do however appreciate your reply even if I disagree.

[Bettie]

130. WHY were they vulnerable?

That answer might be more useful than continuing to spew hatred every day toward progressives because they expect to be treated as part of the party...because we are.

I voted for Clinton, I voted for Biden...and yet, every day there's a flood of hatred directed at people like me, simply because we believe that we can do better than the status quo. That change would be a good thing, you know, progress.

So, maybe looking at the reasons people so easily turned from the Democratic party would be instructive.

I'm doing that, within my county party.

Of course, most threads like this are quickly swarmed by the usual suspects who seem to see denigrating a segment of the party as some kind of vocation.

NOTE: I am not a fan of Susan Sarandon, nor am I defending her, but at some point, we have to put on our big kid pants and move forward instead of forever looking backward.

[betsuni]

132. "Status quo" means both sides are corrupt because money in politics.

Not true. False ideology. People turn against the Democratic Party because they believe conspiracy theories and disinformation, they don't understand how government works. This isn't "progressive." It's not about people who vote for Democrats.

[George II]

41. Doesn't matter, enough voted Green to flip three states. But if it makes you happy, I'll gladly....

....include Johnson in the same category as Jill Stein and anyone who voted for either.

Plus, I don't recall a concerted effort by "democrats" to push Johnson's candidacy like they did Stein's candidacy. We even had the wife of our of our former candidates proclaim a day before the election that "it doesn't matter who you vote for."

[NurseJackie]

47. Yes, I remember that. It was a stupid thing to say on election day.

That was a tweet that was intended to give "cover" and give people "permission" to vote for Jill Stein. This was November 8th... the day of the election. The primary was over. The campaigning was over. The choice was clear. And she's telling people it's okay to vote for Jill Stein.

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[NurseJackie]

52. Any vote that did not benefit Hillary was a vote that benefited Trump!

Unlike you, she's not shaming people for their vote and alienating them.

Oh, boo-hoo! Any vote that did not benefit Hillary was a vote that benefited Trump! They deserve to be shamed! Not coddled. Not excused. Not given cover.

[wellst0nev0ter]

54. Smarter move would be to co-opt those votes

Or shame them and drive them away, your choice. Feels good to do that, right?

(insert derisive emoji here)

[Demsrule86]

58. You assume that we can get those votes...seing some of them in 20, I don't think we can.

[wellst0nev0ter]

60. Lower % of Green Party votes on 2020

I think many people were chastened

[Demsrule86]

65. I don't thinks so.

[wellst0nev0ter]

66. Prove it

[Demsrule86]

68. I don't have to. Go on twitter. Oh wait they are now delering their posts.

[Hekate]

96. We tried, wellstonevoter, we tried. I was here. We got infested at DU. I tried.

You lived through 2016, and you still don’t see it.

Fine.

[Demsrule86]

106. That is the truth...

[Cha]

88. The "Smart Move" would be for Voters

not to be so Gullible and believe Stein's & Sarandon's Gaslighting LIES.

NOT to let Stein & Sarandon do their thinking for them.. Research!

[fleabiscuit]

131. Cha!

[Cha]

133. Flea!

[Hekate]

92. We. Tried.

[NurseJackie]

105. In other words "submit to blackmail" ... okay, got it. 🙄

This type of political blackmail (ie: "do as I say and give me what I want, or I'll vote third-party'') is the exact type of behavior that needs to be called-out and not tolerated. As I pointed out in an earlier post: "They deserve to be shamed! Not coddled. Not excused. Not given cover."

The reason being that such things only encourage more bad behavior. The SMART parent knows that she can't reward her tantrum-throwing toddler with their choice of a treat from the candy rack, just because he throws a tantrum at the grocery store checkout. The SMART parent understands that to do so only encourages that type of selfish and irresponsible behavior.

As both a mother and an aunt, I've seen my fair share of this type of behavior. I discovered early on that these lessons must be learned early in a child's life so that they don't go through their entire life with a feeling of entitlement. Otherwise, they'll never accept personal responsibility, they'll never learn the meaning of consequences, and they'll always view themselves as "victims" while continuing to blame others.

Nobody wants to put up with disloyal voters who behave like Nellie Olsen (Little House), Veruca Salt (Willie Wonka), or Rhoda Penmark (Bad Seed). Voters that have these types of public temper-tantrums (ie: voting third party) are just as treacherous and incorrigible. They don't need to be coddled, they need a spanking.

[betsuni]

107. +1

[George II]

115. Very well said, thanks. Love the graphics as emphasis, too!!

[NurseJackie]

116. Thank you. It's like flash-cards...

... it's true that people learn differently, and some absorb information better when presented with something visual to illustrate the concept or point being made.

[Demsrule86]

64. Sure ...only she said it didn't matter who you vote for. I despise her for that. She gave folks

permission not to vote Hillary. And it turned out to be a lie... how many died because of Trump ?

[George II]

53. Yes. If Clinton won she would have run for re-election last year. If she lost, well we all know.

[Cha]

71. Boy did she get IT WRONG!!! We Ended UP WITH the FUCKING

REASONOUS PSYCHOTIC ASSHOLE

[wellst0nev0ter]

49. 2016 was 5 years ago

It's time to move on, and we have moved on to a Democratic majority.

Time to use it or lose it

[NurseJackie]

51. No. It's important to remember this to avoid the same shit from happening again.

2016 was 5 years ago

No. It's important to remember this to avoid the same shit from happening again. By remembering how we got here, we're less likely to give the reins to people like Sarandon (and her fans/defenders).

It's time to move on, and we have moved on to a Democratic majority. Time to use it or lose it

I'm sorry to be the one to break the news, but we only have a 50/50 split in the Senate... that's NOT a majority. And as everyine is well aware, the Democratic caucus does not always vote as a unified bloc... so this "Democratic majority" that I keep hearing about is nothing but fantasy.

[wellst0nev0ter]

55. Same shit didn't happen in 2020

We now have a Dem majority that you have decided is not good enough.

Enough with feeling sorry for the past and putting ourselves into a box. Use the powers we have and stop waving the white flag.

[NurseJackie]

57. We're still suffering because of the likes of Sarandon (and her defenders)

Same shit didn't happen in 2020

Irrelevant. We're still suffering because of the likes of Sarandon (and her defenders) and it could just as easily happen again based on things I'm seeing from people like Nina Turner and HER supporters.

We now have a Dem majority that you have decided is not good enough.

Ridiculous. I've made no such "decision" ... I'm the one spelling it out like it is. Fifty-fifty is NOT a majority in the Senate. It's absurd to pretend that it is. It's also absurd to get so mad at the fact that not every Democrat is far-left. We have both liberal Democrats, centrist Democrats and conservative Democrats.

Enough with feeling sorry for the past and putting ourselves into a box.

Nobody is doing that. What we're doing is reminding everyone what can happen when fringe activists like Sarandon (and Turner) try to kneecap our party.

Use the powers we have and stop waving the white flag.

Nobody is doing that either. What we ARE doing is fighting back against Sarandon, her defenders and political supporters, who seek to completely destroy the Democratic party (to rebuild, presumably).

I have ZERO intention of "waving the white flag" to treacherous individuals like that.

[wellst0nev0ter]

61. I meant waving the white flag to goops

You know. Our real enemy.

[tonedevil]

63. I admire your persistence...

but swine so rarely appreciate pearls.

[George II]

85. Who are these "swine" to whom you're referring?

[NurseJackie]

67. Tell that to Sarandon and Turner! I have no doubt that THEY see the Democratic party as their enemy.

I meant waving the white flag to goops
You know. Our real enemy.

Tell that to Sarandon and Turner! I have no doubt that THEY see the Democratic party as their enemy. Anyone who calls Democrats "ideologically bankrupt" or "feeble" or "corrupt" or "an absolute failure" or "the party of the one-percent" or "the party of the elite" or "Coastal Elites" is also someone who sees the Democratic party as their enemy.

I've often wondered why individuals who say such things about Democrats don't instead focus their contempt at Republicans instead.

"Goops"? Good grief. Because I'm a mature adult, I'll just refer to them as "Republicans" or the "GOP". Engaging in juvenile name-calling is distracting and weakens whatever argument or point is being made.

[Demsrule86]

69. Our revolution did not think so. And Sarandon is working to strengthen third parties .

I guess she wants to throw the election to Republicans in 22 and 24. Nina turner drove around in a van sliming Democrats during her run for the House. They and the GOP are enemies of the democratic Party..

[Cha]

77. Democracy has Lots of "Enemies".. Sarandon &

Stein's Gaslighting & LIES are Among them.

Link to tweet

[Demsrule86]

59. No it is not. Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it

We repeated 2000...right down to the fucking Greens in16. I will not forget nor forgive them.

[Cha]

95. NewsFlash.. Everyone Knows "..2016 was

5 years ago".. Doesn't matter how long ago.. what's Important is Holding those Responsible for their LIES & Gaslighting that contributed to trump getting in power!

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[JustAnotherGen]

113. Nope - not moving on from 2016

Too much damage done.

I will never forgive the treasonous bastards that voted for Trump.

I will not rub shoulders with them.

I will not tolerate one more long drawn out op-ed piece about those things and their *grievances*.

[betsuni]

114. Well, someone right here in this thread called Hillary a corporate w***e.

Still there.

[JustAnotherGen]

121. Nope - not moving on

People calling SOS Clinton such a disgusting name shows more about them than anything else.

Let me expand 2016 - anyone who did not vote for Clinton is responsible for ALL of it. My husband has started calling them the *Coat Hanger Coalition*.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

123. Forgiveness requires an acknowledgement of a mistake being made

We have Justice Democrats who helped elect TFG running for office after they disrupted the 2016 National Convention and did there best to help TFG win. Nina Turner was defeated due to her attacks on the Democratic Party and hopefully the person who is proud of shouting to "lock her up" will suffer the same fate in the Democratic primaries

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Until the persons who attacked Hillary Clinton acknowledge their mistake they should not run as Democrats in the upcoming primaries.

BTW, I was a Clinton delegate at the 2016 convention where I was cursed at and called a bad Jew for not supporting Sanders at the Jewish Caucus by a Sanders supporter wearing a large cross on the outside of his sanders shirt. I was also at the Texas delegation breakfast where we had a mini riot when Sanders delegates demanded that the Texas delegation condemn Hillary Clinton.

In addition, my youngest child was my guest and was cornered at the hotel by some sanders delegates, cursed at and called the C-word.

Control of the SCOTUS was on the ballot in 2016 and now we have lost Roe. It is not realistic to expect people to forgive and forget this.

[Cha]

126. Excellent from JDWATCH! Rt TY!

More Proof who had a big Gaslit Hand in Fucking UP Votes for Hillary in the General Election.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

127. I like JDWatch and Occupy Democrats

[Cha]

129. Absolutely.. We Need Reality.

[Hekate]

93. Sht I forgot about dear Jane. With friends like that, who the fck needs enemies?

Yes it mattered. If Dems and those to the left of Dems fail to learn from this piece of history, we might as well raise the flag od Gilead and kiss our asses goodbye.

Sorry for being profane. Blame it on the rum.

[Cha]

75. It's Fucking Jill Stein's LIES & Sarandon's ..

the Dems Have No Control over 3rd Party Gaslighting & LIES.

Sarandon's & Stein are Chickenshits.. they still haven't Owned UP to their LIES.

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[betsuni]

78. The official buzzword is "transformed," the party must be transformed, not reformed.

The myth that if only the Democratic Party was transformed into "progressive" (meaning Medicare for All, Green New Deal, cancel all student loans -- whatever Justice Democrats decide is progressive) then Republicans, Independents, non-voters will finally have something to vote for and flock to the polls to vote along with Democrats.

[sheshe2]

80. Let' s forget Russia Russia Russia.

Jill had plenty of help to do us damage.

Russians launched pro-Jill Stein social media blitz to help Trump win election, reports say
Building support for Stein was one of a “roster of themes” the Moscow-sanctioned internet trolls “turned to repeatedly,” report says.

Two days before the 2016 presidential election, an Instagram account called @woke_blacks posted a message in support of long-shot Green Party candidate Jill Stein.

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Building support for Stein was one of a “roster of themes” the Moscow-sanctioned internet trolls “turned to repeatedly” in their effort to disrupt the election, according to a research team led by the New Knowledge cybersecurity firm. The researchers also found that the campaign to bolster Stein gained in intensity in the final days of the presidential campaign and largely targeted African-American voters.

The reports, prepared by separate groups of cyber experts, add to the growing body of evidence that the Russians worked to boost the Stein campaign as part of the effort to siphon support away from Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton and tilt the election to Trump.

An NBC News analysis found that Russians working under the direction of the Internet Research Agency, the St. Petersburg-based firm run by a close ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, tweeted the phrase “Jill Stein” over 1,000 times around the time of the election.

The posts were often accompanied by variations of the same hashtag, “Grow a spine and vote Jill Stein.”

More:https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/russians-launched-pro-jill-stein-social-media-blitz-help-trump-n951166

[Hekate]

94. That photo of Jillsy dining with Putin is unbearably smug

[LetMyPeopleVote]

117. There is a mathematical concept called margin of victory

TFG's margin of victor was less than the number of Sanders voters who voted for TFG or the number of Stein voters

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Link to tweet

If either the Sanders voters who voted for TFG or the Stein voters changed their votes, TFG would not have been elected and Roe would be safe

[Lonestarblue]

23. I too am frustrated about how to resist.

Here’s what I’ve decided. We do not have a Democratic version of Fox News or the online conspiracy sites. We have most of the mainstream media now actively trying to portray Biden as a failed president, blaming him incessantly for an admittedly chaotic withdrawal from Afghanistan and for allowing Covid to resurface (when we all know it is Republicans refusing the vaccine who helped Covid resurface so Biden would fail), as well as for the Democrats in the Senate who refuse to get rid of the filibuster to support his agenda.

So we do not have the media, we do not have social media like Facebook, Twitter is iffy, and we do not lie and create outrageous stories like Republicans do.

What is left? Most of us donate to Democratic candidates and causes, and that is important. But we need more, like the Stacey Abrams approach of boots on the ground, active interaction with citizens, going where the people are, registering people to vote, setting up opportunities to help people learn what is going on. Democrats have actual policies that people like—if they know about them and what they mean.

So here’s my plan—I’m retired so I understand that this plan will not work for everyone.

1. Volunteer for in-person work with Beto O’Rouke’s organization Powered by People. Do you have a similar organization in your state or area? If not, there may be an Indivisible group. If not, create an Indivisible group for your community.
2. Be trained to register voters as a volunteer with the Local Democratic Party.
3. Volunteer to work with my local Democratic Party on voter outreach efforts. For example, find out whether there are public spaces, like a library or at the entrance to a grocery store where a table might be set up to distribute information on how and where to register to vote in your state, along with requirements and rights for voting.
4. Closer to the 2022 election, make calls and write postcards (I have a good supply still from 2020!) to encourage voters to go vote.

My other interest, and this one is harder to accomplish, I think, is just finding out from people what is important to them and what concerns them. I’m not running for anything, but I don’t think the people who are running always do the homework of actually talking to people. That’s one reason to volunteer for Beto’s group. He talks to people.

I hope this post gives a few ideas. I’d love to hear your ideas, too. I know that sometimes I feel overwhelmed with the sheer volume of Republican hate and misinformation and the frustration of listening to people justify their lies and do things that are not helpful—or are actually dangerous like taking Ivermectin instead of just getting vaccinated. The onslaught of misinformation will not stop, and we cannot reach everyone, but perhaps if we attempt to reach younger voters and independents, that will be enough.

[Demsrule86]

26. I love your ideas. I wonder if we could start a power to the people organization in every state.

I have to say the Party in Ohio is weak... we are gerrymandered to the hilts and I think the party is just too cozy with the GOP. We need to get Tim Ryan elected to the Senate. There are many Democrats in Ohio...I think we can get something going here if we can only break through the apathy and hopelessness. I think you are on to something...this has to be a state-by-state effort with national assistance in terms of financing and professional political activists.

[Demsrule86]

62. You mean the threads demanding that Democratic leaders do something?

Sure those are incredibly useful ...not.

[iemanja]

102. The courts are the direct result of elections

at the federal, state, and local level. Sarandon is simply a symbol for all the faux leftists who refused to vote for Democrats in crucial elections. A sizable number of people do it every time, and their numbers are large enough to hand the election to the GOP. So those people definitely need to look at themselves and accept responsibility for their choices that were at their essence misogynist, white supremacist, and fascist--especially in 2016. The problem is those people never accept responsibility for anything. Their sense of entitlement is too great to consider their own role in brining about the rise of fascism in this country.

[betsuni]

104. +1

[betsuni]

3. Pessimism/cynicism that these are the worst of times and mindless belief in revolution

soon to come if we only have the right utopian savior leadership: that Democrats, Republicans, Independents and non-voters will join in working class solidarity against the 1%.

[NurseJackie]

4. Certain politicians and others talk about "middle class, this" and "middle class, that"...

... and when I consider carefully what they're saying it seems to be focused on (and limiting their concerns to) working-class-white-men rather than the POOR, or WOMEN, or CHILDREN, or the ELDERLY, or PEOPLE OF COLOR, or IMMIGRANTS.

I'm often left with the impression that women's issues are viewed as little more than an annoying distraction. There seems to be a resentment that today's headlines are stealing oxygen from the things that they'd rather be discussing.

[betsuni]

6. That's the mistake they make. The U.S. in the 21st century isn't early twentieth century Russia.

[Demsrule86]

13. And some have urged us to abandon 'Identity Politics' and concentrate solely on ecomonic issues

believing that if we can deliver economic goodies for all, this will somehow also solves women's rights, LGBTQ rights, police violence, school issues...every God damn issue will somehow melt away with economic 'justice' which is completely untrue.

[Hekate]

97. Amen

[betsuni]

99. But European countries with all the economic goodies still have racism, far-right groups.

Doesn't work that way!

I just read a memoir by a woman who grew up in the Soviet Union. Said at first women were encouraged to get out of the kitchen, let the state do that, they should have jobs and equality. Then policy changed and eventually women had jobs but still ended up right back ine kitchen.

[Demsrule86]

108. Yep...exactly. Some are threatened with true equality for women...no question.

[George II]

17. Don't forget: "Women's rights are a distraction from the real issues."

[Demsrule86]

27. Yep, I remember well.

[ShazzieB]

74. Agreed, on women's issues being treated as a "distraction."

...and when I consider carefully what they're saying it seems to be focused on (and limiting their concerns to) working-class-white-men rather than the POOR, or WOMEN, or CHILDREN, or the ELDERLY, or PEOPLE OF COLOR, or IMMIGRANTS.

Or people with disabilities, or LGBTQ people, or, or, or, or...

[sheshe2]

87. I can't recall, at this time who said that.

Give me some time, it will come back to me.

[NurseJackie]

89. Don't strain yourself...

... some things are better forgotten, or simply not worth your time.

Have a great holiday weekend! 🍺💕💖😘💋🍻🍾💝

[sheshe2]

91. You as well my dear.

[Demsrule86]

16. Sure, they have put us on the brink of fascism with their half wit notions.

[joetheman]

5. Don't leave ut Shultz, Turner, Klein, and other over-the-top anti-HRC folks.

But it really began in earnest when Obama was elected twice. The GOP and wingers lost their fucking minds!

[NurseJackie]

7. Nina Turner, Brianna Joy Gray, Michael Moore, Cenk, Cornel West, they all have dirty hands.

The GOP and wingers lost their fucking minds!

The attacks from the far-left (ie: Sarandon and others) which continued well into the General Election campaign were more effective at kneecapping Hillary by creating distrust and division and resentment. Their obsession with "revenge" is one which created an atmosphere of hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

[George II]

19. A couple of them more than just dirty hands.

[NurseJackie]

28. With regard to those...

... I can only say that their laundry, minds, sexual and eating habits are too much for me to even contemplate. (Urp. Where's the pepto?)

[Demsrule86]

14. Nope, this started with Clinton.

[ms liberty]

8. One has

No real power or influence over anyone except the people who hate her and never really has, since she's just an actor; and the other is a Supreme Court Justice with too much power over everyone.

[George II]

9. She's just an actor but try criticizing her on Twitter. Her "allies" will come out of the woodwork..

....and swarm all over you relentlessly. Those that do have no profiles, low # of followers, and few tweets.

[NurseJackie]

42. I've noticed too.

The behavior of people on Twitter (and elsewhere) is very predictable. There are a lot of intellectually lazy people on Twitter who admire Susan Sarandon and who are as resentful and hostile to Democrats and the Democratic party as she is. They're pathetic. I block them to avoid the harassment.

[NurseJackie]

43. Found this... 😂🤣😂🤣

Link to tweet

[George II]

44. Bazinga! Oh that's beautiful. Looks like maybe even Twitter management agrees, eh?

[betsuni]

10. She's not "just an actor," she's been a political activist for decades; surrogate for Bernie Sanders

for two elections, surrogate for Nader and Edwards; famous public figure from movies and her corporate ads, interviews in magazines, newspapers and TV; large social media following. She does have influence over public opinion.

[Demsrule86]

15. Oh no Susie had power in 2016 and I would add in 2000. She worked hard to dissuade people

from voting for Hillary Clinton as she did Gore two decades before and it was her doing and all the others who helped that allowed three judges which are likely to destroy everything Democrats have worked for since Roosevelt. Susie and Amy were on the same team in 16. So as far as I am concerned Susan Sarandon, Brianna whatever the hell her name is, Nina Turner and any who helped elect Trump which has put our Republic on life support can fuck off. I will never forgive them. It will be a miracle if we can get out of this mess they created.

Thousands of Americans are dead, we had an insurrection and Roe is likely dead. And multiple states have passed laws that allow them to send their own electors not the ones chosen by popular vote to the electoral college and to overturn elections as well. It is not looking good. However, I will never give up and intend to fight this forever if need be. But I don't want to hear from the 2016 traitors to our party period. You either voted for Hillary or you supported Trump...don't care if you voted for a worthless third party or stayed home...it was really a vote for Trump

[iemanja]

103. She campaigned against Clinton

as did those like her. Her hard work to ensure the Democrats lost 2016 means she played a role in the appointment of Kavanaugh and Barrett. There were millions like her who refused and refuse to vote for Democrats as they pretend they are leftist when in fact their actions reveal them to be fascist.

[George II]

11. I'll never forget this famous, now infamous quote:

"Trump more likely to bring ‘revolution’ than Clinton".

https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/politics/susan-sarandon-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders/index.html

And then this equally infamous quote:

"Susan Sarandon on why she is not voting for Hillary Clinton: 'I don’t vote with my vagina' "

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/susan-sarandon-not-voting-hillary-clinton-vagina-a7395706.html

Easy to day for someone who is beyond childbearing age. Of course, she looks down on the common people in NYC from her $8M penthouse apartment muttering "let them eat cake." She can probably see trump tower from her house!

[Demsrule86]

18. Clearly she didn't care about anyone with a vagina...since her actions helped elect

Trump who's judicial picks are likely to destroy a woman's right to have an abortion if she wants want and perhaps even access to birth control.

[Farmer-Rick]

20. I know you are going to attack me for this opinion but

Keep this in mind: Divide and conquer.

Sarandon and wife/slave Amy are Not in the same political party. Democrats and Sarandon are.

[betsuni]

22. Sarandon is not a Democrat.

[NurseJackie]

25. I've seen it argued on Twitter and elsewhere...

Sarandon is not a Democrat.

I've seen it argued on Twitter and elsewhere that neither are those who celebrate her or who rush to defend her.

It's hard to tell for certain, I'm not a mind-reader... but the arguments being made are compelling and convincing.

[NurseJackie]

24. The two women are not being compared. Instead, Mr. Westrate is illustrating a...

Sarandon and wife/slave Amy are Not in the same political party.

Of course they're not. Nobody said that they are and nobody is even suggesting that (except you.). The two women are not being compared. It's clear to most all reasonable observers that each woman represents a separate thing. Mr. Westrate (whose tweet is quoted here) is illustrating a cause and effect. A beginning and an end. A path-chosen and the inevitable outcome. Sarandon (a Bernie surrogate) is the face-of and personification of this idiotic "revolution". Barrett (et al) and the consequences therein (namely, allowing Texas' "heartbeat-law" to stand) is the result. These things do not happen in a vacuum.

Keep this in mind: Divide and conquer.

I've often thought of that every time I hear certain individuals engaging in divisive smears and rhetoric such as: Democrats are "ideologically bankrupt"; or that Democrats are "feeble"; or that Democrats are "corrupt"; or that the Democratic party is an "absolute failure"; or that the Democratic party is "the party of the one-percent"; or that the Democratic party is the "party of the elite"; or that there's "no difference between Democrats and Republicans"; or that Democrats are "do-nothings"; or that Democratic party "doesn't care about climate change"; or characterizing the Democratic party as the "Coastal-Elite". ALL LIES!! ALL DIVISIVE!!

True, it's not ONLY Sarandon, but she is closely allied with those who seek to intentionally cause harm to the Democratic party. Not only is it part of the "divide and conquer" strategy that you spoke of. But it's clearly just one part of their overall "destroy and rebuild" philosophy. Sarandon, Turner, West, Moore, Uygur (and their close associates) are all a part of it.

They all have nothing but contempt and resentment for the Democratic party. What useful purpose does it serve? It's just another example of how people are oddly willing to do and say things that create an atmosphere of fear and hopelessness and negativity. Negativity generates apathy. Apathy discourages voter turnout. Low voter turnout gives Republicans a chance to steal the elections.

Why are these toxic individuals defended and celebrated?

[Demsrule86]

29. I call bullshit on that Sarandon who helped give us Bush II and Trump is not a Democrat

and voted for the Greens in 2016. She voted grudgingly for Biden in 2020 after relentlessly attacking him.




"Susan Sarandon to back Joe Biden as 'a vote against fascism', despite strongly criticising Democratic nominee
Actor said she will work to create a third party ‘so next time it’s not a choice between the lesser of two evils" She is already planning to move against the Party's nominee in 2024 and called Biden evil. She is not a Democrat. Fuck her.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/susan-sarandon-joe-biden-vote-democrat-nominee-election-trump-2020-b421380.html?jwsource=cl

[NurseJackie]

30. "She is not a Democrat. Fuck her." -- Exactly.

She is not a Democrat. Fuck her.

Exactly.

[Demsrule86]

32. Love it!!!

[NurseJackie]

33. It's not my creation. A former DU'er (Bravenak) created it.

I think it's perfect!

[Demsrule86]

37. I miss Bravenak...wish she was back.

[NurseJackie]

39. She's moved on and is thriving on Twitter...

... as many of DU's "best and brightest" do.

[Demsrule86]

56. I know. I follow her but still miss her here.

[George II]

36. BINGO, and no free space!

[NurseJackie]

45. To find that image, I did a google image search for "Fuck Susan Sarandon". BIG MISTAKE!!

Those are three words you should NEVER search for if the "Safe Filter" is turned off. Just DON'T DO IT!! You've been warned.

Seriously. Don't.

I've since bookmarked that link so I won't have to search again. GAH!!!

[Demsrule86]

70. Exactly right.

[JustAnotherGen]

122. Don't believe - I think she voted Trump

She enjoys the chaos, pain, cruelty inflicted on others.

My opinion? She's entertained by us "little people".

[George II]

35. I can't find the quote, but Sarandon proudly said she was NOT a Democrat.

[Cha]

72. Sarandon is a 3rd Party RF Voter.. said "Hillary was More

Dangerous than trump". And, kept spewing all over and Still has not owned it.

She's not too bright, either.

[Me.]

34. KR

[Demsrule86]

38. I do forget to 'rec' sometimes...please feel free to remind me guys...

K&R

[betsuni]

79. I forgot to rec too!

I often forget unless I'm leaving a "K&R" instead of a comment.

[Demsrule86]

86. I know and then I feel badly.

[ismnotwasm]

40. Yup

Unfortunately, or fortunately the government changes in steps, policy and procedures. Nationally I almost never vote for a president *aside from Hilary Clinton* I vote for the Supreme Court. I thought people understood this. I thought at least a school rock level understanding of civics was prevalent. I thought wrong.

What I’m doing right now, or not doing, is no longer listening to whiteness when expressed. I am listening to the voices who effect actual change or are trying to effect change because it affects them immediately. It’s not a political debate. It’s not theoretical. It’s life and death.

I have little patience left. I’d rather listen to black activists, especially black feminists or Hispanic, people from the pan-Asian communities, the Native American communities, (anyone other than those who live satisfying lives stewed in the oppression of others)When they make me uncomfy—especially when they make uncomfortable.

I’m following youth. What are they seeing? What are they doing?

What I’m not doing is assuming people understand that basic human rights are not in danger. Even now, I get the feeling that a segment of the population doesn’t understand this.

[Tarheel_Dem]

46. I can't stand the sight or sound of SS. I honestly don't understand why she has any sway on....

the left. It seems that since she's been unable to push any of her favorites over the finish line, her resentment for the Democratic party has only grown, as has my disgust for her.

[Cha]

73. Two perfect Symbols for Devolution.. it doesn't matter

if they're in the same gd "political party" or not.

SS is a 3rd party RF pusher who Spewed that "Hillary was more dangerous than trump" to anyone who would listen.. turns out she had a lot of those in Swing states who voted for Stein.. who said there was no difference.

Link to tweet

They're both Fucking WRONG.

[Mr.Bill]

76. This idea that they promoted

that Democrats and republicans are exactly alike goes back to Nader in '92. At least that's when I first heard it.

[NurseJackie]

81. They have nothing to offer except...

... division, suspicion, bitterness, resentment, distrust, lies, and smears.

[iwannaknow]

82. To the degree the Democratic Party remains corporate

there will be no revolution. Even though I voted for Hillary and Biden, I am considering the possibility that those who voted Green in 2016 would not have voted at all if it were not for that alternative.

[George II]

83. There's no need for a "revolution".

[betsuni]

84. When you say the party remains corporate, what do you mean?

Do you mean capitalist, like Elizabeth Warren saying she's "a capitalist to my bones," and that the party shouldn't be capitalist and that's what a revolution will do? Or do you mean "corporate Democrats" are beholden to corporations and have to do everything they say because employees of corporations donate to Democratic campaigns and therefore the party is corrupt and must be purified by revolution?

[StarfishSaver]

90. I doubt most people who say this know what they mean

They think it sounds good - at least until someone ask them what it means and then it's "Doublespeak Doublespeak ... Hummuna Hummuna ..."

[betsuni]

98. Like a religion, things are taken on faith.

Believing in "Corporate Democrats" is one of the Ten Commandments.

[iwannaknow]

110. I mean big money has a grip on Republicans

And far too many Democrats, but certainly not all of them. The revolution might take the form of changing campaign finance laws for starters.

[betsuni]

112. But you said Democrats. It's a usual Democratic policy to change campaign finance laws, get

money out of politics. That was a Republican policy. All that's needed is a large Democratic majority, not a "revolution."

The revolution myth assumes both sides are corrupt and the Democratic Party must be "transformed" by replacing them with True Progressives who are pure and uncorrupted (all backed by dark money SuperPACS like Justice Democrats, but somehow that doesn't count).

[Demsrule86]

111. It doesn't make sense...many big donors for the Democratic Party have been given the cold shoulder

because of this nonsense. We have the Citizen's United Ruling which means we must raise money for campaigns in order to compete. I have heard many say why don't rich Democrats fund competition for righty talk radio...I feel many of our allies in the corporate realm have been made to feel unwelcome in our party and that is a big mistake. we need allies.

[Demsrule86]

109. I don't agree at all. And the Democratic Party is not corporate.

[ARPad95]

100. The one on the left looks smug and the one on the right looks like a corpse that escaped from the

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open casket at the funeral home.

[LeftInTX]

101. Susan Sarandon is the epitime of privilege

"I'm rich. I can pretend to care about little people, when I really don't"

[George II]

120. Exactly. She sits in her $8M penthouse apartment in Manhattan tweeting nonsense like sunsets....

....and clouds and things, looking down on the commoners slaving to get by. Does she actually do anything about that? No. That's why she voted for trump against Clinton in the general election.

Look at this bit of conceit a day or two ago:

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

128. Ugh. Not funny, Susan. Like her sarcastic "I blame Russia" comment.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

118. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it

Right now we are seeing history being repeated in California. There are a good number of people who seem to want Newsome to be recalled and Larry Elder become governor to help facilitate the "Revolution."

Link to tweet

[George II]

119. That's the way it was when Clinton ran against trump. They hoped trump would win so that their guy..

...would have a shot in 2020. If Clinton won she'd run for re-election, delaying their hopes by four years.

Didn't work out that way, thanks to now President Joe Biden.

[bigtree]

124. funny how with several million more voting for Hillary than her opponent

...how Bernie's folks get the blame more than moderates (former Dem voters) in red states who gave Trump the benefit of the doubt and actually voted for him.

It's just not credible to say recalcitrant Bernie voters elected Trump, there's scant evidence of what someone didn't do. But there's more than enough evidence that independents and moderates cast their ballots for Trump.

At the very least, Sanders brought new voters to the party.

Sarandon is trash for publicly berating one of my heroes in the midst of that contest, but she merely superimposed her relative fame on top of an existing political effort. She's never led a 'movement' of anything but her bowels.

[George II]

125. About those several million more votes:

It's not like they were spread uniformly across all 50 states.

4.2M were in California
1.7M were in New York
0.9M were in Illinois

On the other hand,

The margin of loss in Michigan was 10,700, Jill Stein got 51,400
The margin of loss in Wisconsin was 22,700, Jill Stein got 31,000
The margin of loss in Pennsylvania was 22,700, Jill Stein got 50,000

Did you see this, Democratic Delegate Nina Turner (one of "Bernie's folks" as you put it) chumming it up with opponent Jill Stein just blocks from the Convention as the Convention was beginning (the primaries were already over)? Don't forget Turner refused to endorse Hillary Clinton in the General Election, and hinted that she voted for Jill Stein.

So how was Nina Turner rewarded for her anti-Democratic actions and refusal to endorse and possibly vote against the Democratic candidate for President? She was hired to be co-chair of a Presidential campaign four years later.

That, sir, is why the blame is directed to those "folks".