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DickKessler

(364 posts)
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 12:34 PM Sep 2021

WTF is this NYT article about Biden's "inappropriate" invocation of Beau's memory?!

Apparently our President does not always bring up his deceased son at the “appropriate” time and a handful of people are getting a bit sick of it—which is apparently news that is “fit to print.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/04/us/politics/biden-beau-afghanistan.html

Is this REALLY important “news?”

There’s manufacturing consent but there’s also manufacturing DISSENT. Some in the media seem intent on manufacturing as much dissent and controversy as possible against Biden and the Democrats in general, regardless of what most Americans actually think. It drives me mad.

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WTF is this NYT article about Biden's "inappropriate" invocation of Beau's memory?! (Original Post) DickKessler Sep 2021 OP
This is beyond sick. Oneironaut Sep 2021 #1
"Outrage gets clicks" is an understandable motivation for a tabloid or FOX, Breitbart, etc. DickKessler Sep 2021 #4
If a media outlet is for-profit... NCDem47 Sep 2021 #6
Liberal media my ass. nt Phoenix61 Sep 2021 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #3
Nothing wrong with the report gulliver Sep 2021 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #7
Mark Schmitz appeared on Faux Nooze's Hannity show wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #9
A lot of military - and a lot of military families .. stopdiggin Sep 2021 #15
He's a grieving man who just lost a 20 year old son. tritsofme Sep 2021 #21
Cindy Sheehan ThunderRoad Sep 2021 #24
Nothing wrong with the report, but the original headline (which they surreptitiously edited) was.... George II Sep 2021 #10
here's another in complete agreement. stopdiggin Sep 2021 #13
His compassion is his strength blue cat Sep 2021 #8
Written by their new columnist Wayne Kerr Blue Owl Sep 2021 #11
It's not news. It's a hit piece. GoCubsGo Sep 2021 #12
The article has a great deal more depth stopdiggin Sep 2021 #14
A lot of the annoyance about this article has to do with the obnoxious original headline, not.... George II Sep 2021 #16
and I missed that. thanks for the heads up. -(nt)- stopdiggin Sep 2021 #17
It's being discussed all over the place on Twitter. If I get the original headline I'll post it here George II Sep 2021 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author George II Sep 2021 #20
Correction: THIS is the original headline, which is why people are angry with the NY Times: George II Sep 2021 #22
that does have a bit of sting .. stopdiggin Sep 2021 #25
"Next we'll see him wearing white after Labor Day!" struggle4progress Sep 2021 #19
Sad sick MFM008 Sep 2021 #23
Our leaders have flaws and sometimes are tone deaf. harumph Sep 2021 #26

Oneironaut

(5,479 posts)
1. This is beyond sick.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 12:37 PM
Sep 2021

Imagine telling a mother to “Stop bringing your dead daughter up so much!”

Journalism is beyond dead at this point. There a permanent dissent machine now because outrage gets clicks.

DickKessler

(364 posts)
4. "Outrage gets clicks" is an understandable motivation for a tabloid or FOX, Breitbart, etc.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 12:43 PM
Sep 2021

But you would THINK that the New York Times would be above that kind of thing.

I guess not.

NCDem47

(2,248 posts)
6. If a media outlet is for-profit...
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:04 PM
Sep 2021

They're in it to make $$$. The NYT answers to shareholders at the end of the day. They're publicly traded. No doubt they are pushing the envelope to keep clicks and views.

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gulliver

(13,168 posts)
5. Nothing wrong with the report
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 12:51 PM
Sep 2021

People are going to differ on whether they think it's appropriate to talk about your own loss when discussing someone else's loss with them. It's similar to saying, "I've been there too," to someone who is grieving or is feeling bad. Some take it for how it is meant; some may take it wrong.

Mark Schmitz, the guy who lost his son, Jared, to the ISIS-K attack, may not have wanted Biden's son brought up. I think Schmitz's response to Biden's reaching out and sharing was inappropriate. But Schmitz just lost his son at the tail end of a war he thought was over, so everyone should cut him some slack. In matters like this, everyone should cut everyone some slack.

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wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
9. Mark Schmitz appeared on Faux Nooze's Hannity show
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:17 PM
Sep 2021

These people are goop operatives. Don't give them airtime.

stopdiggin

(11,238 posts)
15. A lot of military - and a lot of military families ..
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 03:09 PM
Sep 2021

A certain amount of this has to be expected. On the other hand, this one father was not the real focus or extent of the article.

tritsofme

(17,367 posts)
21. He's a grieving man who just lost a 20 year old son.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 04:13 PM
Sep 2021

Most people see it in that context. Yours seems like a pretty sick take.

 

ThunderRoad

(28 posts)
24. Cindy Sheehan
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 07:48 PM
Sep 2021

Reminds me of Cindy Sheehan, a grieving mother who lost her son in Iraq. She received national attention. Her pain was a reminder of the costs of war.

George II

(67,782 posts)
10. Nothing wrong with the report, but the original headline (which they surreptitiously edited) was....
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:30 PM
Sep 2021

....pretty obnoxious, implying no one wants to hear about Biden's son anymore.

stopdiggin

(11,238 posts)
13. here's another in complete agreement.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:46 PM
Sep 2021

Grief is an wrenching and intimate ordeal. And offers of comfort, and 'empathy' and understanding are not always appreciated or processed in the way they are intended. "I understand" and "I've been there" are things that people automatically want to say - but all too often strike a jarring note with a very personal grief. From both directions, this is just people being people - and once people have enough time to right themselves and find their balance again - will be recognized as such.

I'm with you in that I think this father's 'beef' is out of proportion - but, given the circumstances, not at all surprising. He's entitled (in the appropriate sense of the term). It's an agonizing time, and no one is really at fault here - including the Times.

GoCubsGo

(32,073 posts)
12. It's not news. It's a hit piece.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:40 PM
Sep 2021

And, the NYT loves to publish those when they're about Democrats. The sack of crap that wrote it graduated from my alma mater What an embarrassment to the rest of us. She's getting reamed for this garbage on Twitter, deservedly.

stopdiggin

(11,238 posts)
14. The article has a great deal more depth
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:58 PM
Sep 2021

and a heck of a lot more to say than just 'inappropriate invocation.' If that's all you came away with after reading the entire piece ... Then you're pretty focused on being offended. Wasn't a fluff piece, but it was certainly balanced and informative as to the extent that the president still carries his son around with him.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. A lot of the annoyance about this article has to do with the obnoxious original headline, not....
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 03:29 PM
Sep 2021

....so much the content of the article.

I forget exactly what it said, but it had something to do with people not interesting in Beau anymore.

Response to stopdiggin (Reply #17)

stopdiggin

(11,238 posts)
25. that does have a bit of sting ..
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 12:06 PM
Sep 2021

I think that would have engendered sympathy in most ...

Still think that it's quite a leap to label this a 'hit piece.' You?

In response to the OP: "Is this REALLY important “news?”
I'd opt for, "Yep. Pretty decent journalism."

harumph

(1,890 posts)
26. Our leaders have flaws and sometimes are tone deaf.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 01:32 PM
Sep 2021

However, their principles are decent and in stark contrast to republicans.
This is non-news & yes, somewhat of a hit piece pandering to a demographic that
jerks off over nothing burgers. Same as those pieces about Biden allegedly checking his
watch when the deceased service members were flown in. People want the US
to be Mayberry R.F.D. This isn't news - it's a gossip column.
I'm sure it's hard as shit to be flown or driven around from place to place
- appointment to appointment every fucking day at 78 years of age.

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