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Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:15 PM Sep 2021

Florida 'active shooter rampage' leaves 4, including baby, dead; 11-year-old wounded

Florida 'active shooter rampage' leaves 4, including baby, dead; 11-year-old wounded


Florida deputies and officers responded to an "active shooter rampage" early Sunday, as a gunman "outfitted in body armor" allegedly killed four people, including an infant, and wounded an 11-year-old girl before barricading himself inside a house and firing at law enforcement.


The unidentified suspect, who eventually surrendered to police, had come "ready for battle," had described himself a "survivalist" and allegedly admitted to "being high on meth," Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said at an initial press conference Sunday.

Judd described how a deputy initially responded to a "suspicious vehicle/person" call around 7:30 p.m. Saturday in an unincorporated area of Lakewood. A woman told authorities a man had arrived in a vehicle and told her, "God sent me here to speak with one of your daughters,’" Judd said.

Deputies canvassed the area for about 20 minutes but no one was found. Nine hours later, a lieutenant in the area on a separate call heard "two volleys of automatic gunfire" around 4:30 a.m. Sunday, Judd said, and around the same time, 911 calls came in about the active shooting.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/florida-active-shooter-rampage-leaves-4-including-baby-dead-11-year-old-wounded/ar-AAO7PpU?ocid=msedgntp








Officers do not believe the suspect was from the area, and are trying to determine a motive.

He said it is unclear at this time whether the suspect knew the victims.

But, Judd said, the suspect made statements to officials that he is a survivalist and was taking methamphetamines.

His truck had a Marine Corps license plate, and was equipped with a first aid kit and bandages to stop some bleeding.

He will be booked in county jail after he is released from the hospital.

'It would've been nice if he came out with a firearm,' Judd said. 'If he'd given us the opportunity, we'd have shot him up a lot, but he didn't because he was a coward.

'You see, it's easy to shoot innocent children and babies and people in the middle of the night when you've got the gun and they don't,' he said, 'but he was not much of a man.'

Judd concluded the news conference Sunday morning by saying: 'Crazy people with guns are dangerous - good people with guns keep crazy people with guns at bay.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9959995/Three-adults-baby-shot-dead-girl-11-wounded-body-armored-gunman.html

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Florida 'active shooter rampage' leaves 4, including baby, dead; 11-year-old wounded (Original Post) Demovictory9 Sep 2021 OP
Oh, The Old "I Was On Meth" Defense ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #1
Survivalist and meth addict seem to be diametrically opposed lifestyles. TheBlackAdder Sep 2021 #4
Yep. Kaleva Sep 2021 #10
Not Sure About That ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #19
I guess all the good guys with guns weren't really ready for battle at 4 am. Wingus Dingus Sep 2021 #2
Thoughts and prayers... Ohio Joe Sep 2021 #3
But the baby was actually alive. Cetacea Sep 2021 #24
"Ready for battle"? Against a baby? Aristus Sep 2021 #5
Polk County Sheriff - sounds like a real responsible adult too stopdiggin Sep 2021 #6
Fuck that sheriff though, Christ. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #7
Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd is a notorious a**hole. His constituents deserve the guy. sop Sep 2021 #9
that's rich...do they realize how ridiculous they sound? stillcool Sep 2021 #8
If only the good baby had a gun IbogaProject Sep 2021 #11
Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd is an idiot. Chellee Sep 2021 #12
Suspect shot at police while inside the home. LisaL Sep 2021 #13
he is.doing live press conference now..in his usual.folksy weird way Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #17
Obviously NQAS Sep 2021 #14
Not.black. sheriff showed pic at press.conference Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #18
Local news report with detailed timeline csziggy Sep 2021 #15
Smells like premeditation to me ck4829 Sep 2021 #16
'Crazy people with guns are dangerous - viva la Sep 2021 #20
I don't think that's fair. LisaL Sep 2021 #21
At one point, he said that they didn't stop the shooter and then he went into the house viva la Sep 2021 #22
When they arrived, they saw him outside and he quickly run inside. LisaL Sep 2021 #23
I don't know...gone in after him? viva la Sep 2021 #26
One of the cops did go after him. LisaL Sep 2021 #28
But, but he told police he speaks directly with god. KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2021 #25
Sounds like Preacher Ted Haggard... viva la Sep 2021 #27
And, the hearing of godly voices! KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2021 #29

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
19. Not Sure About That
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 04:39 PM
Sep 2021

The Nazis used Pervatin on their troops to help them fight better & survive battle. That was the brand name of crystal meth.

Given this guy's background, I find it easy to believe he would know about Nazis.

Wingus Dingus

(8,052 posts)
2. I guess all the good guys with guns weren't really ready for battle at 4 am.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:19 PM
Sep 2021

Gun humpers, why weren't you prepared?

Ohio Joe

(21,752 posts)
3. Thoughts and prayers...
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:22 PM
Sep 2021

Oh wait... That shit does not change anything or fix the problem so lets try 'MOAR GUNS!!!'

Yeah, that shit don't work either. Welcome to a right wing death cult state... Sheesh.

stopdiggin

(11,296 posts)
6. Polk County Sheriff - sounds like a real responsible adult too
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:37 PM
Sep 2021

"Wish he woulda' come out wita' gun - n' then we coulda' shot him." F*cking GREAT!

(Although I'll try to grant some latitude given volatile situation and heightened emotions. But, dude - if you're a freaking dumbass - maybe you should avoid the TV cameras and mic?)

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
8. that's rich...do they realize how ridiculous they sound?
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:39 PM
Sep 2021

'It would've been nice if he came out with a firearm,' Judd said. 'If he'd given us the opportunity, we'd have shot him up a lot, but he didn't because he was a coward.

'You see, it's easy to shoot innocent children and babies and people in the middle of the night when you've got the gun and they don't,' he said, 'but he was not much of a man.'

IbogaProject

(2,804 posts)
11. If only the good baby had a gun
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:01 PM
Sep 2021

If only the good baby had a gun, or maybe the 11 year old. These pro gun death guys sure are wicked.

Chellee

(2,095 posts)
12. Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd is an idiot.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:08 PM
Sep 2021

What level of moron do you have to be to elect someone so egregiously incompetent?

This guy, my God.

First, there's this gem : "The next morning, Judd said, officers responded to calls of an active shooter in the area and found the suspect in full body armor, but did not immediately recognize him as the shooter when he went back into the house near Lake Gibson High School."

You saw someone in full body armor while looking for a shooter and didn't question it? What? What??? Really?

Second, his statements to the press are so shockingly awful I'm without words to describe it. "It would've been nice if he came out with a firearm," Judd said. "If he'd given us the opportunity, we'd have shot him up a lot, but he didn't because he was a coward."

Oh. My. God. Good idea. Tell people that they're cowards, and 'not much of a man' if they don't shoot at the police. Excellent plan. I'm sure that will work out well.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
13. Suspect shot at police while inside the home.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:15 PM
Sep 2021

So that's not what he meant. As for not questioning the shooter when he was out of the house, other articles state that the shooter immediately run into the house. So they didn't have time to question him.

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
14. Obviously
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:24 PM
Sep 2021

Another gun-humping liberal voter.

I think that deputy sheriff needs some guidance in public relations. There are things you might say with your buddies and another you say to the press. That said, we all know that those particular niceties wouldn’t gave been observed if the killer had been black. Was he?

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
15. Local news report with detailed timeline
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 02:31 PM
Sep 2021
Shooter kills 4, including infant, shoots 11-year-old girl multiple times, sheriff says

The Ledger Sept. 5, 2021

Four people were killed, an 11-year-old girl was shot and deputies came under fire early Sunday in a neighborhood in North Lakeland.

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said the shootings took place at 4:30 a.m. in two separate houses, near North Socrum Loop Road and Fulton Green Road, less than a half mile north of Lake Gibson High School.

>>>>>>>>>>

Meanwhile, authorities on the scene entered one of the homes, where they found an 11-year-old girl shot several times. The girl told deputies there were three dead people in the house. Deputies found a man, woman and infant dead from gunshot wounds. When deputies went to the home behind that one, they found another woman shot to death.

The 11-year-old girl was taken to Tampa General Hospital for treatment. A security guard at the hospital on Sunday afternoon said media were not allowed on the property. Judd said authorities were still searching for another young girl, "about 10 or 11 years old," but there was no evidence that she was on scene.

More: https://www.theledger.com/story/news/crime/2021/09/05/polk-sheriffs-deputies-come-under-fire-north-lakeland/5740624001/

viva la

(3,286 posts)
20. 'Crazy people with guns are dangerous -
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 05:49 PM
Sep 2021

>Judd concluded the news conference Sunday morning by saying: 'Crazy people with guns are dangerous - good people with guns keep crazy people with guns at bay.>

Uh, you "good people" didn't do that good a job.
And he sure spent a lot of time explaining why they didn't shoot the guy dead. He got all salacious explaining how cool it would have been if Riley had done one threatening thing so they could kill him.

This sheriff's a piece of work.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
21. I don't think that's fair.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 07:36 PM
Sep 2021

It's hard to say how the cops could have done a better job, if the suspect had gotten inside the house and killed people there. Suspect is a former marine so is very well trained in use of weapons. What would you have cops do?

viva la

(3,286 posts)
22. At one point, he said that they didn't stop the shooter and then he went into the house
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 08:29 PM
Sep 2021

where he killed three people.

I don't know if that's true, that they let him go into the house. But he sounds like he's congratulating the team for a job well done.

I'm sure the facts, whatever they are, will be clearer tomorrow.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
23. When they arrived, they saw him outside and he quickly run inside.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 08:32 PM
Sep 2021

Unless you suggest they should have shot him the moment they saw him (without knowing any of the facts) how do you think he could have been stopped?

viva la

(3,286 posts)
26. I don't know...gone in after him?
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 10:26 PM
Sep 2021

I'm really more commenting on the sheriff's aggressive and triumphalist rhetoric, like they'd beat him somehow. It didn't fit the occasion, shall we say.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
28. One of the cops did go after him.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 10:31 PM
Sep 2021

That's when the shoot out started, and the cop had to retreat.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
25. But, but he told police he speaks directly with god.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 09:33 PM
Sep 2021

.......... .........

Would love to hear some mega-church evangelical's sputtering response to that one...... ......

My logical conclusion in this case is that Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Bakker, Franklin Graham, et al must all be meth users. This guy uses meth and has a direct line to god. All those preachers speak as if they have that line to god as well, so they must use meth too.

You're welcome for this lesson in religious logic.

RIP to those who lost their lives and may their families somehow find peace.... .. .. ..

KY...... ......

viva la

(3,286 posts)
27. Sounds like Preacher Ted Haggard...
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 10:29 PM
Sep 2021

He was a meth head.
There was also a Kansas preacher who used meth in church services.

I guess it inspired religious visions.

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