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How about we sell Texas back to Mexico? (Original Post) bluescribbler Sep 2021 OP
Well we would have to include CA, AR and NM with parts of UT and CO. former9thward Sep 2021 #1
messing up an emotion packed rant with facts again... WarGamer Sep 2021 #12
Separate treaties Retrograde Sep 2021 #16
Are we going to give back Alaska to the Russians? former9thward Sep 2021 #23
As appealing as the idea might be... nycbos Sep 2021 #2
I understand the frustration but there are millions of Democrats here that Dustlawyer Sep 2021 #3
I would not mind being evacuated and sent to Minnesota! LeftInTX Sep 2021 #5
We'd be happy to take you in! Ocelot II Sep 2021 #10
+1 zuul Sep 2021 #17
As long as they pay the U.S. government back excess federal payments to TX vs. those received from SWBTATTReg Sep 2021 #4
I wouldn't mind if the US started a war with Texas LeftInTX Sep 2021 #6
And make Mexico pay for it! NameAlreadyTaken Sep 2021 #7
This is probably a tongue in cheek suggestion. totodeinhere Sep 2021 #8
I would happily vote for them to leave. They are more trouble than they are worth. bottomofthehill Sep 2021 #15
Yes I understand all that. But what if Texas were to become independent and then totodeinhere Sep 2021 #20
So to answer bottomofthehill Sep 2021 #24
It was, indeed, tongue in cheek. bluescribbler Sep 2021 #18
Yes, you did provoke some interesting discussion. totodeinhere Sep 2021 #21
Do they even want it any more? Ocelot II Sep 2021 #9
Why fuck up Mexico? luv2fly Sep 2021 #11
Fuck selling, let's just give it back. bottomofthehill Sep 2021 #13
I'm in favor of a wall VGNonly Sep 2021 #14
We didn't pay for it in the first place, so we'd have to give it back DavidDvorkin Sep 2021 #19
Pretty sure Mexico wouldn't want it back. Xolodno Sep 2021 #22

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
16. Separate treaties
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 03:32 PM
Sep 2021

Texas seceded from Mexico in 1835/6 (depending on when you start counting), was annexed by the US in 1845 and became a state in 1846. CA, AR, NM and the rest were acquired via the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo in 1848. So yes, we can give back/sell/abandon Texas to Mexico without having to give up the more sane states (although I sometimes have my doubts about some of them)

But then I'm not an expert on international treaties

former9thward

(31,996 posts)
23. Are we going to give back Alaska to the Russians?
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 08:35 PM
Sep 2021

Florida to Spain? How about most of the west, midwest and south to France? I guess we can give back the east coast to the UK if that is going to make people happy.

nycbos

(6,034 posts)
2. As appealing as the idea might be...
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:38 PM
Sep 2021

... Mexico is a heavenly Catholic nation. A very high percentage of their citizens probably would support the Texas handmaid's tale law.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
3. I understand the frustration but there are millions of Democrats here that
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:43 PM
Sep 2021

like being U.S. citizens. Would you be ok with all of us being collateral damage?

LeftInTX

(25,287 posts)
5. I would not mind being evacuated and sent to Minnesota!
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:47 PM
Sep 2021

Can't convince hubby, grown kids and grandkids to move.
Would be a great way to get out of this place!

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
4. As long as they pay the U.S. government back excess federal payments to TX vs. those received from
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:44 PM
Sep 2021

TX (over $300 million excess federal dollars went to TX as of 2019, the latest year I could find).

And I must be fair, Alaska, Virginia, and Maryland all received a hefty federal paycheck vs. what they paid in to the Feds (40 out of 50 states are like this, paid in less than they receive). And you would think that heavily populated states would be lopsided in payments rec'd vs. payments made, and that's not the case...some smaller states population-wise, actually beat the 3 big states (I didn't count/use FL) in either money rec'd / money paid (think federal bases/facilities located in those states, Maryland, Virginia for example has tons of federal sites).

LeftInTX

(25,287 posts)
6. I wouldn't mind if the US started a war with Texas
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:49 PM
Sep 2021

It would be fun.
It would give us a reason to flee.

Can't seem to find a reason to convince my family to get out of this hellhole...

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
8. This is probably a tongue in cheek suggestion.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 01:56 PM
Sep 2021

And I understand frustration over the draconian abortion law that was recently enacted. But if selling Texas to Mexico is a serious suggestion it's totally ridiculous. When right wingers in Texas called for Texas leaving the Union I thought it was a ridiculous suggestion. And so is this suggestion. We are not going to solve the many problems in this country by breaking the country up.

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
15. I would happily vote for them to leave. They are more trouble than they are worth.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 03:22 PM
Sep 2021

Return social security and other federal payments. Let them form their own country. Provide relocation assistance for anyone who wants to leave. Let them have their gun culture, anti mask, anti vax, anti science, anti education, bounty hunting abortion law, everything in Texas is bigger and better attitude, their own failing power grid, education system, hospital system bullshit and see how long it is before they want to come back.

See you later and don’t let the door hit you where the lord split you. Louie Gohmert, Ted Cruz, Chip Roy, Augustus PFluger, Ronnie Jackson, John Cornryn

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
20. Yes I understand all that. But what if Texas were to become independent and then
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 06:43 PM
Sep 2021

give bases to terrorists who want to attack the United States? Do we then bomb or invade Texas and risk collateral damage in the process? And what about oil and natural gas produced in Texas? Yes we need to wean ourselves off from fossil fuels but for the time being we need that gas and oil. Otherwise we would need to become more dependent on foreign sources, which is not a good thing. Did you stop to think about those issues?

bottomofthehill

(8,329 posts)
24. So to answer
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 09:30 PM
Sep 2021

Yes like any other country, if they became a haven for terror, bomb them back to the Stone Age. Oil and natural gas, they will still need to sell what they produce. They can join opec if they want. Even with the oil and natural gas issue, they are not worth the trouble. They still need a place to sell their excess energy and we are the obvious buyer. They will need to generate income in some way.

bluescribbler

(2,116 posts)
18. It was, indeed, tongue in cheek.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 04:56 PM
Sep 2021

The idea amused me, and I thought it might provoke some entertaining discussion. In that, I think I succeeded.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
21. Yes, you did provoke some interesting discussion.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 06:45 PM
Sep 2021

And apparently some people are seriously on board with that suggestion.

DavidDvorkin

(19,475 posts)
19. We didn't pay for it in the first place, so we'd have to give it back
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 05:08 PM
Sep 2021

I doubt if Mexico would want the inhabitants, or wouldn't want a lot of them, so we'd have to resettle them somewhere else in the US.

I foresee difficulties.

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
22. Pretty sure Mexico wouldn't want it back.
Sun Sep 5, 2021, 08:00 PM
Sep 2021

But they may be open to the idea of unifying with the rest of the US

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