We should remember that white women in Texas very likely support this law

[Kaleva]

In 2020, TFG got 62% of the white female vote in Texas. TFG narrowly got a majority of the white female vote who had a college degree with 51%.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/exit-polls/president/texas

In 2016, white females made up the largest voting block in Texas with 30%. Of that, TFG got 66% of the vote.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/texas/president

Looking at the same exit polls, I think if we could convince a majority of white women in key battleground states to vote D instead of R, no Repub could win the White House.

Below are the battleground states identified as such by Ballotpedia which Hillary lost

In MI, Trump got 51% of the white female vote compared to 43% for Hillary

In PA, Trump got 50% of the white female vote compared to 47% for Hillary

In FL, Trump got 60% of the white female vote compared to 36% for Hillary

IN NC, Trump got 60% of the white female vote compared to 37% for Hillary

In AZ, Trump got 51% of the white female vote compared to 44% for Hillary

IN OH, Trump got 56% of the white female vote compared to 39% for Hillary

In Iowa and Wisconsin, Hillary got a plurality of the the white female vote (49% in both states) but not a majority.

https://www.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls/national/president

[hlthe2b]

1. that's one hell of a broad stroke you are painting.

[BlueLucy]

2. Looks like facts to me. nt

[hlthe2b]

6. Even Republicans don't fully support this, much less Republican women per recent polling

This NPR poll from May-June, 2021 (scroll down) shows only 31% of Republicans want to repeal Roe v Wade.
https://www.npr.org/2019/06/07/730183531/poll-majority-want-to-keep-abortion-legal-but-they-also-want-restrictions

Not to mention that, in Texas only about 50% or women VOTE. Yet, all those non-voting women, including white non-voting women all support treating women like chattel? Really?

https://texaspolitics.utexas.edu/archive/html/vce/features/0302_02/demographics.html

[Kaleva]

12. That appears to be nationwide. Does it break it down by state?

[hlthe2b]

13. Do some research of your own. There are plenty of polls out there and I am at work.

[Kaleva]

25. You made the claim,. It's up to you to work to find sources to support it.

[hlthe2b]

31. NO YOU made the claim that white women R who voted for Trump support overturn of ROE v WADE

Given the poll I showed you from just two months ago, if only 31% of R's support overturn and as you know the overwhelming number of R's still voted and support Trump, then your argument is demontrably FALSE. Just who do you think those 69% of R's are that support Roe v Wade and oppose overturn?

Nowhere have you provided any data to prove that the correlation with women votes for Trump EQUATES to support for OVERTURNING ROE v WADE. APPLES AND ORANGES do not a direct causation make.

Your assertion is so obviously wrong, you need to delete this post. Blaming women for what the Taliban MEN of Texas are doing is no better than blaming women victims of domestic violence for what befell them.

Make all the demands you want, you've proven your OWN point to be FALSE.

[area51]

43. +1 n/t

[kcr]

34. Wait. Who made the claim now? n/t

[Kaleva]

7. If you have evidence that the white women who voted for TFG support Roe v. Wade, I'd like to see it

It's my opinion that anyone who voted for TFG supports severe restrictions on a woman's right to choose or maybe they don't really care much about the issue either way.

[hlthe2b]

8. I just posted data from a May-June, 2021 NPR poll. My post #6 Only 31 % of R's overall support

repeal of Roe v Wade.

[maxrandb]

45. Arrrrrggggghhhhhhh! It doesn't "EFFIN" matter!

"Gee, I'm pro-choice, but I really hate immigrants and brown people, so I guess I will vote for Donnie Dipshit".

This is like women voting for a serial rapist, because they really support ending environmental regulations, or getting a few bucks in tax cuts.

If you voted for Donnie Dipshit, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS EVIL SHIT.

What, did they think the Retrumplicans were going to keep all their crazy, inbred, racist misogynistic insane Clown Posse locked up in the attic.

It's this god damned attitude that allowed people to say; "Hillary is just as bad".

I don't care why someone voted for that amphibian piece of shit, they are complicit.

They may not have pulled the trigger, but they gave them the gun and the bullets.

ANYONE...AND I MEAN ANYONE!...THAT VOTED FOR THAT EVIL FUCKING DIPSHIT, SHOULD BE SHUNNED LIKE A LEPPER

[treestar]

60. They don't care is a good guess

TFG surely doesn't. He mouths support to get right winger votes.

And TFG supporters are older - typical of right wingers that they don't need abortions any more, so they don't care.

[Demsrule86]

3. That is not necessarily true. Many women thought Roe was settled law...and it was not a voting

issue...and Black Democratic women I work with in Cleveland often are not pro-choice. They just don't vote on it.

[Kaleva]

10. Scotus and a woman's right to choose was a big issue in 2016.

[hlthe2b]

11. And, I posted a May-June, 2021 NPR poll (and there are others) showing only 31% of R's

support repeal of Roe v Wade. The RW women who follow the cultish lead of an Amy Coney Barrett are not the majority. Yes, they exist, but they are not the majority of EVEN REPUBLICAN women.

This is a RW misogynistic MALE attack on women. Plain and simple.

As former very prominent RW evangelical, Frank Schaeffer will tell you:

[Demsrule86]

35. Nope, the courts were not to those who sabataged the election of Clinton. I talked to white weomen

in Ohio who assured me Roe was permanent.

[maxrandb]

46. And this is why Dems lose

Many Germans thought....

Pretty soon, we can take comfort is saying; "many Americans thought our institutions would hold"

The Retrumplican Party is no longer a valid political party, it's a criminal enterprise.

Might as well say; "well, at least the Taliban make the trains run on time"

[Demsrule86]

51. I don't disagree. But hopefully the Texas law is

a wake up call.

[rdking647]

4. every white woman in texas i know is against the law

its pretty much the rural white woman that support it

[Kaleva]

22. What does every white woman you know who voted for TFG say about the law then?

[enough]

28. How many of the white women you know voted for Trump? NT

[brush]

5. Some most likely do. Many don't I'm willing to bet.

This is an overreach by right wing white men.

Many women, republican, Democratic and independents, see clearly what this is, an anti-woman power grab by republican men and their Coney Barrett-type submissives who've been trying to overturn Roe v Wade for decades.

It seems they've finally and sneakily figure out how to do with a silent and complicit repug majority on SCOTUS.

Heaven help the nation.

[stillcool]

9. Not a majority...

what they say may be very different from what they do. I have to stop thinking about such people.

[Hekate]

14. Broad brush. Also -- until they personally need it.

[hlthe2b]

15. I find it offensive bringing in race as well. The data do NOT support that even white R women

support this bill. I find that exceedingly divisive towards women in general, and bringing race into it without concrete facts (and the OP presented NOTHING to prove prior white women voting for Trump correlates to support for overturn of Roe v Wade) makes it even more so. In fact polls show the opposite for R's in general-- only 31 % of R's in the May-June NPR poll support such overturn--see my post#6). Yes there are a few cultists women out their who echo the positions of an Amy Coney Barrett, but they are not the majority of women on this issue--even in Texas.

The legislature in Texas (as well as other southern R-held states) is overwhelmingly MALE Republican. Blaming women (of any race or even political party) for the passage of this bill is like blaming domestic violence victims for their own abuse.

[Hekate]

17. What I found interesting a number of years ago was that when put to a ballot of voters...

… (as opposed to state legislators) these draconian laws routinely fail.

OP & others, please think on that, before condemning whole populations in Red states.

[hlthe2b]

18. I assume the second part of your statement was not directed at me..

Since I am not the one condemning whole population of Red States. That is the OP.

Otherwise, I agree with your comments totally.

[Hekate]

24. Nope, not directed at you -- should have made it clear (and will)

[maxrandb]

48. What I find divisive toward women

IS WOMEN VOTING FOR RETRUMPLICANS

[hlthe2b]

50. Yes. Me too. But you know who overwhelming votes RETRUMPLICAN? MEN

Women overwhelmingly decided the 2020 election:
This is how women voters decided the 2020 election
Early exit polls show President-elect Biden winning the votes of 57 percent of women, compared to 45 percent of men. In comparison, President Trump won 42 percent of women’s votes and 53 percent of men’s votes.
https://www.nbcnews.com/know-your-value/feature/how-women-voters-decided-2020-election-ncna1247746


https://cawp.rutgers.edu/presidential-poll-tracking-2020
The gender gap was present in every major poll leading up to 2020 and was cemented above with the final results.

So, you are pissed about Trump voters? Maybe think about targeting some MEN, instead of merely blaming WOMEN for the acts of overwhelming misogynistic white men in Texas and elsewhere.

[Scrivener7]

16. So all we white women deserve this, I suppose.

Jesus, I wish these reactions weren't so fucking predictable.

The search for justification for the abuse of women continues apace.

[hlthe2b]

19. This is a male dominance issue in Texas--trying to control women in every way possible.

I could not agree with former prominent evangelical Frank Schaeffer more on this.

But, it is ALWAYS important to blame the women for the misdeeds of men, obviously

[maxrandb]

49. That's the point

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If we could limit it's impact to only those women who voted Retrumplican, that would be fine.

I guess every vote has censequences, except for the votes of white women voting Retrumplican.

Do I have that right?

They get a pass?

[Scrivener7]

52. Sure, max. That's exactly what I was saying.

Honestly, the assholery around here sometimes.

[Demsrule86]

53. Disgusting right? And instead of blaming the Texas Legislature (almost all men) someone has

to blame White Women...ridiculous.

[treestar]

20. Your percentages on who supports Trump

Not on who supports the abortion law.

[Kaleva]

23. Who in their right mind votes for TFG but supports a women's right to choose?

[hlthe2b]

32. What LGBTQ or POC supports equality for all, but votes for TFG? In same way, apparently quite a few

Conservatives convinced R's protect the economy can ignore quite a few issues they don't believe to be imminent.

Your supposition in your OP is both unfounded and demonstrably false. If in the latest NPR poll, 69% of R's indicated nonsupport for overturning of Roe v Wade, then how, pray tell can the majority of WOMEN be supporting it? Your "correlation " is ridiculously unsupported by anything but your presumptions., Just more women blaming...

[treestar]

59. There does not have to be consistency on issues

A lot of people have beliefs that are all over the place. On occasion I would agree with a conservative on some issue and they would flip that they actually agreed with me. They believe it's all a package deal.

And there are anti-choice people who would not vote for TFG.

Not everyone who voted for TFG is a 1/6 type fanatic. This might be their one issue.

In fact someone from Texas on DU said they don't think women there are entirely supportive of this law - that remains to be seen. But someday there will be a poll about who supports the law by gender and other factors.

[Piasladic]

21. Reminds me of my college days

I went to school in a pretty liberal part of FLA and had to go by a women's health clinic on the way to campus that in addition to other services offered abortion. I was either walking or peddling, so I got a good look at typical anti-abortion protester types...almost all white women.

There was one fellow, about my age and rather attractive who would often kneel praying in front of the place, and since one day he was alone one day and I was curious, I decided to talk with him. He showed me pictures of clouds he said had angels in them and said he could see evil spirits around the clinic. I, having been raised by rabid atheist and as a stone-cold atheist myself, found this rather amusing, and he knowing I was an atheist decided I was interesting too.

So, after hanging out with him for a few weeks, usually in front of the clinic, I took him to my place fully intending to bed him. I was on the pill, but had condoms at the ready in case the happy event took place. He was slightly built, but probably not the wisest decision of my life. I got him home, and the first thing he does is take issue with my Bible (I had an array of holy texts). Apparently, it was the wrong version. Then, he got down on his knees and prayed. Dammit, he was a true believer.

My enthusiasm waned as he seemed genuinely interested in my soul and not my loins. He probably would have been awful at sex, but I thought he could take direction...The final straw came when he posted a letter to my door telling me that God had spoken to him and said we needed to go to some spring, right during finals week, and if I had faith, I'd be going with him. F that. I think he was trying to mess up my education.

I guess I got off track from your point. I apologize.

I find it entirely possible that women, especially white women, support this law, and it isn't just some heavy-handed desire for female oppression by men alone that made this law to go through. Maybe it's because most of the pro-life people I've met were women true believers, and I felt thrown off track by the one and only man I ever met that seriously wanted to shut down abortion. I do believe men are more dangerous about it though. They are more likely to use violence and they control the legislature, but overwhelmingly, the harshest critics of women's sexual behavior have been other women.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

26. White women are some of the strongest and most insidious tools of white supremacy.

And abortion restrictions are hallmarks of white supremacy.

[questionseverything]

37. Clarence thomas is the black male who was the deciding vote to end roe's protection

He has openly advocated for ending legal abortion for years and now he has accomplished it

[WhiskeyGrinder]

38. None of which changes what I said, but okay.

[StarfishSaver]

41. Shhh..Don't you know that calling white women "white women" is racist?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

42. And not only that, talking about their role is white supremacy hurts their feelers!

[hlthe2b]

44. No, the data don't support it. That is the issue. A correlation between white women voting for Trump

in Texas IS VALID. A causal association with those same women supporting repeal of Roe V Wade is absolutely not supported by the data and can no more be concluded from the first correlation than to conclude apples = oranges.

That white race (and fundamentalist religious beliefs ) are associated with the likelihood of support of Roe v Wade overturn AMONG MALE REPUBLICANS, especially Trump-supporting Male White Republicans, IS supported by the data from other polls.

Do some white female Texas Trump supporters call for overturning Roe V Wade like Amy Coney Barrett? Yes, certainly. The majority? No data supports that. No more than the Candace Owens, Diamond and Silk, and other Trump-supporting black women who back the overturn represent most black women.


It matters. Truth and facts matter. This isn't a race issue. It is a WOMAN SUBJUGATION issue.

Frank Schaeffer is absolutely right on this:

"

As an activist for Demcratic politics I think you know better.

[Demsrule86]

54. We can agree to disagree on that. Without the votes for all women in 2020, Biden would

have lost...and that includes the 43 % of white women who voted for Biden. Pitting one group against another is foolish. And your post is plain insulting to a me-a a white woman- who has worked damn hard to stop all Republicans including Trump.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

58. I'm not talking about voting or party politics. I'm talking about the role of white women

in white supremacy.

[OAITW r.2.0]

27. Don't we already know that, as a class, white women have a clear options that

aren't available to minorities? Like taking a VaKay .... which might include a quick trip to a gynecologist in the area you are visiting? Lots will be daughters of prominent Republicans (and Democrats). Their life won't be derailed by an unwanted pregnancy. It's all the people that don't have financial wherewithal to get an abortion. This is class war.

[ProfessorGAC]

29. Accurate Data; Flawed Conclusion

Your own data doesn't show any such correlation, let alone causation.
You are extrapolating (typically a statistical pitfall) without context to do so.
I'm on your side in general terms, but I can't agree with your position on this.

[Kaleva]

57. I'm going by the argument that voting for TFG put SCOTUS and thus Roe v. Wade in jeopardy.

And that people were well aware of this fact when they cast their ballot.

I find it hard to believe that someone who stongly supports a woman's right to choose could still find justification to vote for TFG in 2016 .

[delisen]

30. The white male vote for Trump is enormous. Any ideas on cutting it down?

[dsc]

33. This statement isn't accurate

In the same exit poll, 85% of those who voted (all demographics) for TFG said abortion should be illegal.

What the poll said is that of the 45% of voters who thought abortion should be illegal (and I am thinking they combined categories here) 85% voted for Trump. He got 25% of the 48% of voters who thought abortion should be legal. Using those figures he got 12% of the total vote from pro choice, and 38.2% from anti choice, meaning about 3/4 of his voters were anti choice, not the 17/20 you are saying.

[joetheman]

36. Wait until their ex or "the other woman" takes action against them ...nt

[ecstatic]

39. Cool... when their teen daughters get knocked up,

hopefully they'll stick by their guns. 🙄 No pun intended.

[dsc]

40. As I point out above your 85% figure is wrong

but using the more accurate 78% it still would be wrong. There were four categories in the abortion question, which got combined in the version you used for your stat. Always legal, legal in most cases, illegal in most cases, always illegal. Of the 45% who they put in illegal for the 2nd version, 30% were illegal in most cases, 15% illegal in all cases. The law in question, bans abortions after 6 weeks in all cases but life of mother. I would think it is reasonable to think that the 30% who think illegal in most cases would include rape and incest in the few cases they would allow it. Thus it is likely around 15% or so favor the restrictions that this law imposes, not 45% of Texans. Even if you give half of the most cases, that is 30% not 45% of voters overall. In addition, even those opposed to most or all abortions might well not favor the enforcement mechanism of this law. For example, I am in favor of severe restrictions on guns, I would oppose a law with a similar enforcement mechanism applied to guns.

[Kaleva]

55. You may be correct. Edited the OP to delete that.

[dawg]

47. I really don't give a shit what white women say about this issue when polled.

As long as half of them continue to vote for Republicans, it really doesn't matter what they "think".

[Demsrule86]

56. Well half don't vote for Republicans so perhaps the name calling should stop...and by the way,

I would not trust any figures coming out of CNN. I have seen this broken down by age...and all I can say is the GOP are fucked on this issue.

[Deep State Witch]

61. Serena Joys and Aunt Lydias

There are a heck of a lot of "Serena Joys" and "Aunt Lydias" in Texas. The abortion and voting rights laws don't affect THEM, because they're Good Christian Women.