Larry Elder argues slave owners are 'owed reparations' during appearance on Candace Owens' show

[sheshe2]

Elder, 69, sat down with Owens, a conservative talk show host and author, to share views on the current state of race relations and why the Black community “plays the victim card,” as reported by Insider.



During their conversation, Elder and Owens, who are both Black, touched on the topic of reparations, which are commonly advocated for by Black activist groups as a way to mitigate the financial repercussions of slavery by transferring federal funds and other resources to America’s Black communities.

Elder, however, argued that enslaved individuals were legally deemed “property” at the time. He noted that slave owners and their estates are owed compensation for the human property they lost following the end of the Civil War and the passage of the 13th amendment which partially abolished slavery after 1865.




“When people talk about reparations, do they really want to have that conversation? Like it or not, slavery was legal,” Elder said. “Their legal property was taken away from them after the Civil War, so you could make an argument that the people that are owed reparations are not only just Black people but also the people whose ‘property’ was taken away after the end of the Civil War.”

The conversation began when Owens, known for using her platform to spread misinformation, incorrectly stated that the United States was “one of the first countries that banned the slave trade.”



The U.S. was actually one of the last to do so, according to PolitiFact.

More: https://thegrio.com/2021/09/05/larry-elder-candace-owens-reparations/

[ck4829]

1. Didn't McConnell once say that the election of Barack Obama was "reparations" for black America?

So it could stand, following that same train of thought, that the decades of Ku Klux Klan, Jim Crow, lynchings, voter suppression, the fact that it took us a whole century to make it federally OK to have interracial marriage, 'separate but "equal"' schools, and the elections of racist politicians such as Rebecca Latimer Felton were reparations for the estates of slave owners.

And yes, McConnell did say what I thought he said. Link

[cinematicdiversions]

6. What is bizarre about that is of course Obama is a son of the Confederacy.

He has no relatives (Outside of his wife's family) that were ever slaves. But he has plenty of family that were slave owners.

I mean, one recent president was related to Jefferson Davis...

[brush]

2. Two pathetic, self-hating ass holes.

[Demovictory9]

3. exactly

[2Gingersnaps]

34. What does the two have to say and do to get some Koch, Mercer, Kirk, Thiel money?

JD Vance had to say Alex Jones is a far more reputable news source than Rachel Maddow for some Thiel cash. Man, you can take the hillbilly out of Middletown...............

[brush]

35. They're trying hard...I mean pulling that crap out of their behinds.

[Dorian Gray]

4. I wonder

if both their souls died a little bit while having that stupid ass conversation.

[we can do it]

16. They'd have to have one for that to happen.

[Dorian Gray]

32. Good point.

[Demsrule86]

5. Slavery still exists. One of my strongest reason for opposing TPP is it allowed slave owning

countries to participate...bad enough what we have now but that was just a horror.

[oldsoftie]

40. sometimes we're not even allowed to criticize those countries!

[Solomon]

7. I thought slave owners were given reparations after the civil war.

I was shocked and outraged at learning about that. Got to see where I heard that from.

[malthaussen]

10. Slave owners in DC were compensated during the war...

... Mr Lincoln tried very hard to convince the border states to accept compensated emancipation, but they all refused. So in the end, they got nothing.

Now, Haiti paid reparations to the French government even though they threw off the yoke of slavery themselves in their rebellion. In 2004, Haiti demanded that France return the money (about 21 Billion in current dollars). In 2015, France rejected the demand. Now, there's something to be "shocked and outraged" about.

-- Mal

[SweetieD]

26. Yes. And slave owners during the midst of the Civil War were filling out claims forms for

Payment. I know because my slave ancestor has a claim for him from his slave owner. Those claim forms for colored troops are filed within the civil war record with all of their pension papers and other records for service. Of course the owners didn't get paid but they hedged their bet in case the south won.

[KG]

8. hey larry and candy

no matter how hard you try, you will never be white. maga world laughs at you.

[malthaussen]

9. He obviously does not know how hard Mr Lincoln tried to push this idea...

... only to be repeatedly rebuffed.

-- Mal

[Hortensis]

11. U.S. was the THIRD "Atlantic" nation to ban IMPORTATION of slaves,

but the FIRST to make that a total ban.

If we're going to talk slave trade, please, let's not pick and choose history and definitions to establish ourselves as "almost" the worst people on earth, behind almost everyone else. The U.N. didn't have to adopt the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in 1948 because slavery was still legal here.

The constitution was only adopted in 1787 with the slave states' stipulation that congress could not ban importation for 30 years. 30 years later, almost to the day, congress did just that. Due to the voting power of slave states in our democracy, ending the internal trade of enslaved Americans took another 55 years and a civil war.

Slave trade: the procuring, transporting, and selling of human beings as slaves. In our part of the world that normally refers to trade in black Africans as slaves by nations around the Atlantic Ocean because chattel slavery provided the labor power necessary to settle and develop the New World.

1792 - Denmark bans import of slaves to its West Indies colonies, but the law took effect from 1803.

1807 - Britain passes Abolition of the Slave Trade Act, outlawing British Atlantic slave trade.

1807 - United States passes legislation banning the slave trade, effective from start of 1808.

1811 - Spain abolishes slavery, including in its colonies, though Cuba rejects ban and continues to deal in slaves.

1813 - Sweden bans slave trading

1814 - Netherlands bans slave trading

1817 - France bans slave trading, but ban not effective until 1826

1833 - Britain passes Abolition of Slavery Act, ordering gradual abolition of slavery in all British colonies. Plantation owners in the West Indies receive 20 million pounds in compensation. - Great Britain and Spain sign a treaty prohibiting the slave trade

1819 - Portugal abolishes slave trade north of the equator

1846 - Danish governor proclaims emancipation of slaves in Danish West Indies, abolishing slavery

1848 - France abolishes slavery

1851 - Brazil abolishes slave trading

1858 - Portugal abolishes slavery in its colonies, although all slaves are subject to a 20-year apprenticeship

1861 - Netherlands abolishes slavery in Dutch Caribbean colonies

1862 - U.S. President Abraham Lincoln proclaims emancipation of slaves with effect from January 1, 1863; 13th Amendment of U.S. Constitution follows in 1865 banning slavery

1886 - Slavery is abolished in Cuba

1888 - Brazil abolishes slavery

This list is for the Atlantic slave trade as the term is normally used in the west. In other places slavery was practiced for millennia before, and continued after.

1926 - League of Nations adopts Slavery Convention abolishing slavery

1948 - United Nations General Assembly adopts Universal Declaration of Human Rights, including article stating “No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.”

[Karadeniz]

18. Thanks so much for the time line! I've tried and failed to find this information!

[iemanja]

27. The internal US slave trade continued in full force

and the importation of slaves into the new territories generated what was called the Free Soil movement--THE issue around which the Republican Party (Lincoln's party) was established.

That internal trade was central to the maintenance of slavery in the US. The US was the only country with a self-reproducing slave population, and planters were terrified that a black majority would successfully turn on them like in the Haitian Revolution. Slaveholders knew that being able to transport slaves out West was essential to their survival, which is why they saw Lincoln as such a threat.

[Celerity]

30. Not true

The US was the only country with a self-reproducing slave population

My mother's place of birth, Barbados, had one (the only British 'sugar colony' in the Caribbean that did).

Brasil is a more complex case.

https://escholarship.org/uc/item/1fk637b8

http://socialsciences.scielo.org/pdf/s_nec/v2nse/scs_a04.pdf

[iemanja]

33. I know the Brazil case very well

It was a dramatically declining population. Brazil was also the recipient of by far the greatest number of captives brought to the Americas. That is why Brazilians knew slavery was on its way out following the official (though not actual) end of the transatlantic trade in 1850. Enslaved women obviously gave birth to slaves, but that doesn't mean the population as a whole was self-reproducing. Works examining the internal slave trade, slave resistance, and slave reproduction don't refute my point, which is common knowledge in the field. Brazil's population declined from child mortality, incredibly harsh punishment (sentences of hundreds of lashes handed down by courts and administered by police, as well as private punishment), and manumission--for which there were provisions in Brazilian law. In the US, on the other hand, it was very difficult for slaves to purchase their own freedom, and it was illegal in many (but not all) states for masters to free slaves.

The historiography of comparative slavery (which I read in the 90s for my PhD comps on the subject) talked about the US as the only self-reproducing population. I was unaware of the Barbados case and appreciate the source. The article itself focuses on malnutrition of children, particularly in the post-Emancipation period in which children remained bound to planters as "apprentices," and a period in which planters cut food rations.
This doesn't seem to be comparable to the US case, in which the growth of the slave population played a central role in politics--from the Kansas-Nebraska Act to Free Soil and the emergence of the Republican Party, and ultimately to the Civil War itself.

[MrModerate]

12. Elder is a vile moron: Those slaveholders have already been paid off -- in other people's blood. n/t

[lonely bird]

13. Well, Larry...

If I had been in power at the end of the civil war, every slaveholder and their families, every soldier who took up arms against the country would have been deported. The leaders of the Confederacy including the state governors would have been shot.

Utter destruction would have been the price they would have had to pay for thinking that owning another person was acceptable.

[seta1950]

14. Imbecile

😤😤😤😤

[Initech]

15. It's like they purposefully try to come up with the wrong answer to everything!

Even if you just marked "A" on the scantron, you'd have a good shot at getting 25% of the answers right. But these idiots, if you asked them what color the sky is they would answer "yellow" spend the next 1/2 hour arguing that their answer is the right one.

[yardwork]

17. The slave owners lost a war. They're lucky everything wasn't confiscated.

[PatrickforB]

19. This is just abhorrent. Oh my God.

I just don't know what to say.

[NurseJackie]

20. He's out of his gourd.

[sheshe2]

22. No, kidding.

Leave to the GOP to keep reaching to the very bottom of the bucket when picking their candidates. Lawd!

[Grokenstein]

23. Clearly, and yet the GQP maintains him as their "frontrunner" in the CA recall.

I used to feel like I was trapped in a madhouse. Nowadays I still feel like I'm trapped with the inmates, but now we're packed into a small bus, every window is sealed shut, everyone's coughing and all the Flavor-Aid guzzlers just "went."

[RANDYWILDMAN]

21. Mr regressive, leading California

Yeah right, come California we as a country, need you to vote to keep Newsom.

[struggle4progress]

24. Larry could start a fund to reimburse descendants of slave owners

He could donate his own fortune to get it going; and then he could set up a website to collect additional funds for the project

[iemanja]

25. Union slaveholders in DC were compensated

$300 per slave. Prior to the Civil War, there were also proposals to compensate slaveholders who voluntarily freed their slaves

https://aas.princeton.edu/news/when-slaveowners-got-reparations#:~:text=On%20April%2016%2C%201862%2C%20President%20Abraham%20Lincoln%20signed,enslaved%20person%20freed.%20That%E2%80%99s%20right%2C%20slaveowners%20got%20reparations.


Waging war and then losing it meant that rebel slaveholders forsook compensation. Being a traitor has consequences.

[NEOBuckeye]

28. Uncle Ruckus in real life nt

[joetheman]

29. We could start by finding their "massas" and send them back. t

[Kid Berwyn]

31. Something is very wrong with Larry Elder.

It’s what ails Stephen Miller.

[keithbvadu2]

36. Maybe Elder's family owned slaves and he is looking for some bucks?

Maybe Elder's family owned slaves and he is looking for some bucks?

[The Unmitigated Gall]

37. Fuck you, Larry. It's California that's owed reparations now.

From your stupid recall shitshow.

[Marcuse]

38. !

[Rhiannon12866]

39. Is he insane?!

Not to mention that the Civil War was 156 years ago, who is he talking about??!

[leftyladyfrommo]

41. He is just a sociopath saying whatever he thinks

will get him elected.