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boston bean

(36,229 posts)
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 08:22 AM Sep 2021

Amy Coney Barrett is not a handmaid

The social caste she belongs to is “wives, wife”.

A handmaid is a subjugated victim. A woman raped, forced to give birth to her rapists baby and then give the baby up to the rapist. The wife is fully complicit in the act of rape and subjugation along with her husband.

Many are using “handmaid” in a completely incorrect context.

Amy Coney Barrett is no handmaid.

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Amy Coney Barrett is not a handmaid (Original Post) boston bean Sep 2021 OP
Except for the time when she served as what is known as a handmaid in People of Praise. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #1
She was still an elite in that organization, she was a founder's daughter. haele Sep 2021 #16
Thank you. Sounds like a more highly successful version of Tulsi Gabbard. Do you have some links? Hekate Sep 2021 #35
She was in a religious group Elessar Zappa Sep 2021 #2
I do recall that, but I think people are confusing it with Handmaids Tale. boston bean Sep 2021 #3
Could be... but HT is fiction FBaggins Sep 2021 #6
The author of the Handmaid's tale was aware of Catholic cults and adopted the term for her novel. nt pnwmom Sep 2021 #18
"The title of handmaid was adopted by People of Praise in reference to Hortensis Sep 2021 #15
Thank you for the information. boston bean Sep 2021 #20
Thank you, Hortensis Hekate Sep 2021 #36
She is a member of the People of Praise mnhtnbb Sep 2021 #17
Yep. I remember that article... paleotn Sep 2021 #25
More people are familiar with the series than Phoney Barrett's church/cult affiliation FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #28
The description of closeness and wnylib Sep 2021 #30
She may be a fanatic & fanatics have no place in American government. rickyhall Sep 2021 #4
She may be a fanatic & fanatics have no place in American jurisprudence... Wounded Bear Sep 2021 #7
She knows she's above the law. She's not gonna be subject to her own rulings. Walleye Sep 2021 #5
They haven't ruled yet. It's still going through the courts jimfields33 Sep 2021 #9
She's more like an Aunt Lydia. Nt onlyadream Sep 2021 #8
Yes. radical noodle Sep 2021 #23
The difference is that onlyadream Sep 2021 #38
Also, mapping the HT universe onto current events erases the reality of a lot of people who aren't WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #10
Can you explain what you mean? radical noodle Sep 2021 #29
THT focuses on the experience of white women and posits a dystopian future, WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #32
Thank you... radical noodle Sep 2021 #33
If she votes the wrong way, Beer Bong Boy will cut her finger off. milestogo Sep 2021 #11
I didn't want to laugh at that, but I did! boston bean Sep 2021 #13
She's a conservative Irish-Catholic extremist. Progressive Jones Sep 2021 #12
She should be impeached turbinetree Sep 2021 #14
All three justices Trump appointed should be, for different reasons. CrispyQ Sep 2021 #19
While I'd Like To See Her Gone... GB_RN Sep 2021 #22
It's not just MF45's corrupt appointments, FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #26
While wives and aunts did have certain privilages... paleotn Sep 2021 #21
True. But when it comes to forced rape pregnancy of a handmaid, she is the enforcer of rape and boston bean Sep 2021 #24
Serena certainly found that out. FoxNewsSucks Sep 2021 #27
Season 4 radical noodle Sep 2021 #31
Thank you....been trying to explain that here and to others saying that in conversations Pachamama Sep 2021 #34
Good point. It's a reference to Amy's religious upbringing, tho now she's all grown up & in position Hekate Sep 2021 #37

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,601 posts)
1. Except for the time when she served as what is known as a handmaid in People of Praise.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 08:27 AM
Sep 2021

It has nothing to do with "The Handmaid's Tale."

haele

(12,723 posts)
16. She was still an elite in that organization, she was a founder's daughter.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:08 AM
Sep 2021

She is one of the few who would be granted some autonomy and would be allowed to go to university. She was used to put a "normal" face - allowed her own "hobbies" and some pleasures so long as she followed the rules. She was groomed to one of her cult's elite, a professional as well as s wife, and mother.
She was still introduced to and given to a powerful cult member as a wife and give him children, like all the women recruited or born into the cult. But unlike most of the other women in that cult, she was given help to raise her kids and keep house as an executive or executive's spouse would, to retain her loyalty and high profile propaganda status.

In my observation, she is a groomed creature. Smart and capable enough to get a pHD and teach law at a prestigious university, but simple enough to emotionally manipulate to do "her duty" for everything she was granted in her life. She has no mercy, no empathy for anything outside her cult cage. She is an extension of her father's religion and husband' ambition.

Haele

Hekate

(91,292 posts)
35. Thank you. Sounds like a more highly successful version of Tulsi Gabbard. Do you have some links?
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 01:30 AM
Sep 2021

I’d like to bookmark them, as I did with the research on Tulsi.

Edit: Hortensis provides links below, so you’re off the hook.



Elessar Zappa

(14,187 posts)
2. She was in a religious group
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 08:28 AM
Sep 2021

where she carried the title of “handmaid”. I think that’s why people use that word with her.

FBaggins

(26,862 posts)
6. Could be... but HT is fiction
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 09:18 AM
Sep 2021

The label has been applied in real life. In the Catholic Church, it’s an honorific for Mary.

pnwmom

(109,035 posts)
18. The author of the Handmaid's tale was aware of Catholic cults and adopted the term for her novel. nt
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:40 AM
Sep 2021

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. "The title of handmaid was adopted by People of Praise in reference to
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:07 AM
Sep 2021

the biblical description of Mary as “the handmaid of the Lord,” according to the group.

Former members including Art Wang, a member from the late 1980s until 2015, told The Post that handmaids, now known as “women leaders,” give advice to other women on issues such as child rearing and marriage."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/amy-coney-barrett-people-of-praise/2020/10/06/5f497d8c-0781-11eb-859b-f9c27abe638d_story.html


People of Praise are Coney Barrett's group. A different one, People of Hope, is still more extreme.

...when Margaret Atwood explained her Handmaid’s Tale inspirations to the New York Times in 1987, she described one of them as “a Catholic charismatic spinoff sect, which calls the women handmaids.” Atwood did not at the time name the sect, ...

Asked about her inspiration for The Handmaid’s Tale by Politico as the controversy heated up, Atwood said she wasn’t sure which group she was talking about in 1987. Her archive of work and research is at the University of Toronto, where she can’t currently access it due to Covid-19 restrictions. But she’s on the record as going through her Handmaid’s Tale archives for journalists plenty of times in the past, and during those interviews, she’s always cited People of Hope, a different Catholic charismatic spinoff that calls women handmaids.

Specifically, People of Hope is a fundamentalist group in New Jersey that some former members have said behaves like a cult and which has allegedly arranged marriages between teenagers. The People of Hope call wives “handmaids,”...

... Atwood was drawing from the cultural norms of lots of different North American charismatic Christian groups at the time, including harmless ones. The reason there’s so much confusion about exactly where she took the word handmaid from is that handmaid is the kind of word a lot of North American charismatic Christian groups were into in 1984: suggestive of purity, duty, and feminine obedience to divine will. (Me:
Biblical roles for women.) Again, that does not mean these groups were practicing sexual slavery. It means they were working with a very specific vocabulary, and the way Atwood made her dystopia feel real was by skillfully mimicking them.

https://www.vox.com/culture/21453103/amy-coney-barrett-handmaids-tale-supreme-court

Good article on "handmaid." Not to be mistaken for a defense of her. She doesn't belong on our high court, I believe for many very serious reasons.

boston bean

(36,229 posts)
20. Thank you for the information.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:48 AM
Sep 2021

However, in Handmaids Tale, handmaid was a protagonist and a sexual slave.

I know you are not defending her. Atwood may have used the word, but the meaning she assigned does not fit Amy Coney Barrett.

mnhtnbb

(31,472 posts)
17. She is a member of the People of Praise
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:09 AM
Sep 2021

Last edited Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:46 AM - Edit history (1)

right wing religious group. She was raised in it and her husband was raised in it.

There's a good review of the group here https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/08/us/people-of-praise-amy-coney-barrett.html

In my view, she's a real threat to the autonomy, independence, and rights of any group which is considered inferior by her right wing religious group. People who are that extreme are very self-righteous and she belongs to a group that is all about being up in everyone's business. On top of that, she was a "leader" (name changed from handmaid) authorized to give advice to other women in the group.

She's a zealot. She's on a mission. She undoubtedly thinks she's been chosen by her God to bring about the changes which her group deems appropriate.

The Republicans did the same thing with her, in giving her RBG's seat, that they did when they replaced Thurgood Marshall with Clarence Thomas. They took the seats of legends, of ground breakers, and replaced them with someone of the same sex or skin color who would be dedicated to undoing the great work of the person they replaced.

paleotn

(18,055 posts)
25. Yep. I remember that article...
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 11:06 AM
Sep 2021

It's a cult. Ironic thing is 400 years ago, by borrowing unorthodox nuttiness from charismatic protestants, they'd have felt the wrath of the inquisition and probably have been burned. To be honest, I'm not sure how I feel about that.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,464 posts)
28. More people are familiar with the series than Phoney Barrett's church/cult affiliation
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 11:11 AM
Sep 2021

so that's the first thing that often comes to mind with the word 'handmaid'.

The actual handmaid thing from her church is equally scary.

wnylib

(21,949 posts)
30. The description of closeness and
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 11:23 AM
Sep 2021

the intertwining of people's lives sounds similar to the social structure of Amish communities, but with modern technology and without the 19th century clothing.

Wounded Bear

(58,856 posts)
7. She may be a fanatic & fanatics have no place in American jurisprudence...
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 09:23 AM
Sep 2021

FIFY - though I'm not sure "may be" is applicable.

Walleye

(31,265 posts)
5. She knows she's above the law. She's not gonna be subject to her own rulings.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 08:44 AM
Sep 2021

These laws against abortion or for poor women only and we all know it

jimfields33

(16,363 posts)
9. They haven't ruled yet. It's still going through the courts
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 09:27 AM
Sep 2021

I think that’s what the justices should have said. “Wait for the process to go through”. Instead they basically opened themselves to criticsm. Dumb!

radical noodle

(8,032 posts)
23. Yes.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:58 AM
Sep 2021

Aunt Lydia was an enforcer of the Gilead cult for their sex slaves. That's the part that ACB plays in our society.

onlyadream

(2,168 posts)
38. The difference is that
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 05:01 PM
Sep 2021

Aunt Lydia was a lawyer who went into survival mode. Amy B. is just another Christian who wants to impose her religion on everyone else.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,601 posts)
10. Also, mapping the HT universe onto current events erases the reality of a lot of people who aren't
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 09:32 AM
Sep 2021

represented in the novel at all. It's lazy White Feminism.

radical noodle

(8,032 posts)
29. Can you explain what you mean?
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 11:14 AM
Sep 2021

I have seen THT used as more of a warning about how things evolved into Gilead vs what could happen if women just sit back and let their rights be eroded away.

Gilead was developed after years (decades?) of creeping fundamentalism that became militaristic and violent enough to assassinate those who didn't agree with them. I don't see this as simply feminism but also as a fight against the takeover of our government by religion. The two go hand in hand as most religions in their fundamentalist form believe in the subjugation of women.


WhiskeyGrinder

(22,601 posts)
32. THT focuses on the experience of white women and posits a dystopian future,
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 11:58 AM
Sep 2021

when reproductive coercion has been used as a weapon against BIPOC for decades. It implies it’s not scary until it happens to white cis women.

radical noodle

(8,032 posts)
33. Thank you...
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 01:45 PM
Sep 2021

Yes, that makes sense. I appreciate your input. White women didn't seem to notice (or in many cases even took advantage of it) until it happened to them.



Progressive Jones

(6,011 posts)
12. She's a conservative Irish-Catholic extremist.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 09:46 AM
Sep 2021

The Chicago area is rife with them, and there are many phonies among them. I attended HS with many future Kavanaugh- types.

CrispyQ

(36,654 posts)
19. All three justices Trump appointed should be, for different reasons.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:43 AM
Sep 2021

To think I have friends who said a Trump presidency wouldn't be that bad. These are democratic friends. They aren't very political, but they didn't think one man could do so much damage. SMH.

GB_RN

(2,489 posts)
22. While I'd Like To See Her Gone...
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:55 AM
Sep 2021

On what grounds would you propose that she be impeached (even assuming we could get a conviction)?

The only one of Dolt45’s unqualified appointments that we would have an honest shot at legitimate impeachment charges on would be Kavanaugh. Those might be lying to Congress and perjury. Even then, we still have no hope of actually convicting his ass, even if we had overwhelming evidence, because getting his and Barrett’s appointment have been the ultimate goals of the Reichwing’s power grab.

Our only hope is to counterbalance these clowns with court packing, and/or stripping the court of its appellate authority (and create a specific appellate court), and/or nullifying its decisions (super hard, since a lot of these require constitutional amendments).

FoxNewsSucks

(10,464 posts)
26. It's not just MF45's corrupt appointments,
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 11:07 AM
Sep 2021

Alito and Roberts both lied in their confirmation hearings, under oath. Thomas has so many conflicts of interest, and a corrupt wife. Not to mention, he's been pretty worthless other than his vote. Just sitting there taking the pay and doing next to nothing but vote how Scalia told him to vote.

paleotn

(18,055 posts)
21. While wives and aunts did have certain privilages...
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 10:51 AM
Sep 2021

the real distance between them and Martha's, Handmaids and Jezebels was small and primarily functional. All existed at the whim and mercy of men.

boston bean

(36,229 posts)
24. True. But when it comes to forced rape pregnancy of a handmaid, she is the enforcer of rape and
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 11:01 AM
Sep 2021

Pregnancy. Not a handmaid at all.

FoxNewsSucks

(10,464 posts)
27. Serena certainly found that out.
Mon Sep 6, 2021, 11:08 AM
Sep 2021

I haven't watched Season 4 yet. I can't imagine how much worse it will be getting.

Hekate

(91,292 posts)
37. Good point. It's a reference to Amy's religious upbringing, tho now she's all grown up & in position
Tue Sep 7, 2021, 01:38 AM
Sep 2021

… Justice Serena Joy fits.

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