If you're beyond 6 weeks pregnant and want some advice on abortion...

[TrogL]

...back when I was a youngin' and dinosaurs roamed the Earth, female acquaintances of mine would abruptly go to Switzerland "on vacation" *wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more, say no more* and come back all unpregnant.

Canada's border is open to fully vaccinated people.


I'm Canadian. Somebody sue me. Go for it.

(Note if you rec this you're complicit).

[Karadeniz]

1. Color me complicit!

[ornotna]

2. Can't scare me

My mother was Canadian, more specifically a Newfie.

[elleng]

3. I'm complicit too: in the 'olden days,'

I helped a friend travel from Illinois to Italy; obviously, there was $$$ there.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

4. A nudge is as good as a wink to a blind bat, eh Squire? (nt)

[WhiskeyGrinder]

5. A solution for rich people is no solution at all. Touting legality is garbage when access is such a

huge issue -- and it's a huge issue in Canada.

[3Hotdogs]

35. How many girls can afford a trip from Texas to Canada?

[Arkansas Granny]

6. When I was younger and growing up in rural SW Missouri in the

50's and 60's, a classmate confided that her sister had gotten pregnant, but she had gone to see Aunt So&So who had killed the baby (her words). Neither of us knew exactly what that entailed, but it frightened both of us.

Aunt So&So lived in a tar paper shack that had no running water.

[momta]

7. Complicit here.

I grew up in Texas. And I'm complicit as all fuck!

[JenniferJuniper]

8. Need to have money. Or an Underground Railroad.

I could gofund that.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. No need to gofund. Just donate to abortion funds in your area.

[ShazzieB]

32. This is a good resource if you want to donate.

National Network of Abortion Funds

https://abortionfunds.org/

You can find listings of local abortion funds there, or donate to the network itself.

[TrogL]

18. I see what you mean. Airfare is $464 one way

[Captain Zero]

23. there are nice cheap getaways to Costa Rica too.

need some cash I suppose.

[SarcasticSatyr]

9. Women in most states just can't do that ....

They have neither the time off from work, nor the money to afford it ..

[WhiskeyGrinder]

11. Same in Canada, for that matter. The OP makes it sound so simple, when it really isn't, for

everybody.

[albacore]

10. What about the "morning after" pill?

You can buy those things at Mall-Wart and Amazon.
What about women taking them if they think there is any chance they might have gotten pregnant?
I'm waaaay too old to know about the risks/advantages of that pill, so can somebody school me?
Girl goes on date...unplanned consensual sex.... takes pill... it's all good.

Yes... I know that would only cover part of the problem. I've read all the stuff at Guttmacher.

What do I not know?

https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2014

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. What about it? It's good to have on hand, but it doesn't take away the need for abortion.

[albacore]

31. Wouldn't it at least cut down on abortions?

No replacement for all the hassle, but at least some women wouldn't have to face the screaming assholes at the clinics...or the cops and snitches?
More and more women are using the "morning after" pill.

[littlemissmartypants]

36. Or solve the ultimate problem of bodily autonomy.

But it's a good point.

[BlueSky3]

60. Thank you

This is at the root of the problem. But how do you solve it?

[calimary]

62. Welcome to DU, BlueSky3!

Well, I'd say it starts in a place like this. Where we're talking about it and kicking ideas around, debating and maybe even test-driving strategies.

This place is a THINK TANK. A research institution. AND a safe harbor and hang-out. If it does NOTHING else, it lets you know you're not alone in how you feel and how you view the way things are in this country now.

I'm here every day. It sustains me, consoles me, inspires me, and gives me hope.

[BlueSky3]

68. Thanks, calimary

I've enjoyed your posts. I've been here since 2012, but haven't posted much in the past. I come here to feel I'm in good company and to keep up with the news, always hoping for something to counteract what I see in the MSM. And to watch cat videos. 😊

[HuskyOffset]

64. You solve it by . . .

. . . transplanting the fertilized egg into the man that got her pregnant.

[Mariana]

16. Plan B (morning after pill) works by preventing ovulation

so no pregnancy occurs. If a woman is pregnant, it's way too late for that.

[Skittles]

14. wealthy women have never had an issue

it's all others

[Joinfortmill]

15. 👍

[WhiskeyGrinder]

17. Why are people reccing this? I'm curious.

[alfredo]

25. The Texas's law rewards snitches.

It’s open defiance of the Texas law.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

42. I realize that, but "go to Canada" is utterly unworkable. Many people have trouble accessing

an abortion in the next county; why is touting Canada a solution? Especially when millions of people in Canada find it difficult to access abortion care. It's not a solution, it's not the beginning of an idea, it's not even clever.

[alfredo]

46. It doesn't matter if it works, the show of defiance is what is important.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

47. It does matter if it works, because otherwise all it is is a show.

Actual defiance includes supporting abortion funds on the ground.

[alfredo]

73. It's important to keep the issue alive.

[BobTheSubgenius]

19. It's important to note that, while Canadians have more or less "free" health care,

that does not extend to citizens of other countries. The rate schedule is nowhere near what it would be for an uninsured person in the US, but it is by NO means "free."

[iluvtennis]

20. Happy to be complicit 😁 n/t

[alfredo]

21. Proudly complicit

[Gore1FL]

22. I applaud the workaround.

What concerns me is the resources to implement it.

[alfredo]

26. In the pre Roe days a friend of ours had to go to NY.

That was the closest state to offer that service legally. We all chipped in to pay for the trip and medical costs.

[Gore1FL]

27. You are a true friend.

I'd like to nationalize that effort. We need to organize the Underground Railroad II. I don't know how to do that.

[alfredo]

28. Thanks. I know my city will accept Texas refugees. We are a red state with

Good Liberal cities, and a Dem governor.

Those of us that had jobs were able to help some for her journey.

[mopinko]

50. in illinois, it was wisconsin.

there was a bus every saturday to a clinic just over the line.
it was money, but manageable. about $300, iirc. certainly has gone up, but the lack of insurance coverage, and funding behind pp and others have kept it pretty low, considering.

trouble is aftercare. the bus came back the same day. the 1 friend i had that did it bled pretty hard. she should have gotten care, but she just toughed it out.
there were 2 hospitals in town, but only 1 would have taken care of her. catholics,

[orleans]

24. there is the RU-486

but that doesn't always work and it can cost around $800
if it doesn't work you end up paying for the surgical procedure on top of the $800

(i know someone who had to get the surgical procedure b/c that combo of pills that makes up ru-486 did not work)

i would recommend women in texas just make appointments for planned parenthood or a private practice doctor in a blue state nearby. and, if possible, travel with a friend

https://www.verywellhealth.com/ru486-the-abortion-pill-906956

[LeftInTX]

63. And what would women do in Texas if something went wrong?

Not much help in Texas.

If using RU-486. Go to a blue state and take the pills under a provider's supervision. Come back when all risk of complications are over.

[orleans]

69. exactly.

as i said: "i would recommend women in texas just make appointments for planned parenthood or a private practice doctor in a blue state nearby. and, if possible, travel with a friend"

[BlueKentuckyGirl]

29. Nice, if you can afford it.

This law is hitting the poor women of Texas. They can't afford to leave Texas, let alone fly to Switzerland... or Canada..or Costa Rica or anywhere.

[BlueKentuckyGirl]

30. Nice, if you can afford it.

This law is hitting the poor women of Texas. They can't afford to leave Texas, let alone fly to Switzerland... or Canada..or Costa Rica or anywhere.

[keithbvadu2]

33. Mandatory pg tests for travel agency female customers of child bearing age.

Mandatory pg tests for travel agency female customers of child bearing age.

Same for airline travel going to places that have abortion capabilities.

Then, another pg test upon return to see if you have a $10k bounty opportunity against the ticket seller.

[Karma13612]

34. I thought we were trying to come

Up with workarounds to the law.

Or am I confused on the general topic under discussion.

[keithbvadu2]

39. Sarcasm, irony, ridicule, travesty, satire

can be used to reinforce a point.

[Karma13612]

41. Gotcha, thanks! Eom

[Hekate]

37. Complicit, checking in

[littlemissmartypants]

38. Unfortunately, out of reach for the population of women who most likely need the procedure. nt

[KentuckyWoman]

40. Good luck figuring out how to pry $10000 out of me

I'm old. Probably be dead before the ink is dry on the signature of whoever sues me.

[Greybnk48]

43. Sweden wouldn't take my sister, nor would England (1969).

She was devastated. It all worked out, but it was not the path she wanted.

[Texin]

44. For a lot folks in the south and desert southwest, Mexico is closer.

[Liberty Belle]

48. Don't you need a passport now for Canada or Mexico? Most teens/young people won't have those.

Their only option would be to drive to another state where it's legal, and how do you just vanish for a couple of days or more if you have parents, school, work etc?

Canada of course is an option for those with a passport and the financial means to travel that far, but also it takes time to book air passage and that means delaying until even later.

[LeftInTX]

70. My hunch is that doctors won't perform an abortion on anyone under 18 if they are from Texas

Unless, they bring their parents with them, even if abortion is legal for those under 18 where they practice.

So, if a minor wants an abortion, they will need to bring their parents.

You would be surprised at how many doctors will "refuse" services due to liability.

[TrogL]

49. So I'm wondering how the jurisprudence works

Last edited Tue Sep 7, 2021, 12:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Thanks to everyone who's responded so far.

"Fly to Canada" was the first thing that occurred to me. Back in the day there were no other options except coat hangers, shady doctors and Dr. Mortgentaler. I hadn't thought through some of the other ramifications which have since been pointed out.

I haven't read the law (where is it??) but I'm wondering if they've considered...

-does the prosecutor have standing for out-of-State offenders?
-can out-of-State actors sue?
-if multiple people sue, who has priority?
-if Thoughtcrime has been opened up, are thete other opportunities? I've got some heavyduty coveting going on.
-if everybody starts sueing everybody, isn't this going to clog the courts *hint,hint...*?

[TrogL]

59. I found the law

https://legiscan.com/TX/text/SB8/id/2395961/Texas-2021-SB8-Enrolled.html

[CrackityJones75]

51. This thread is an example of what annoys me.

We all know that shipping women off to (insert country) to get an abortion isn’t a cure all. No shit people I think we all know that. But it CAN be part of a solution when things become dire. It CAN help some, and that is the point. We all donate to things. This is another thing that can be donated to if a network is set up as has been done in the past.


Very clearly we need a better wide spread solution…. Like I don’t know… The fucking constitutional amendment in place. But for now can we continue farming ideas to help people where we can i stead of going for the easy shot and ripping people for making a suggestion?

[billh58]

52. K & R

+1000!

[TrogL]

57. You missed the point of the thread

I'm pointing out the absurdity of the proposed legal actions.

[dixiechiken1]

67. Thank you.

Always someone who can't wait to piss in everyone else's Wheaties...

[LittleGirl]

53. I live in Switzerland. Come on over! nt

[lame54]

54. Their will definitely be travel involved...

For those who can afford it

Like the lawmakers girlfriends

[Marthe48]

55. I read a long time ago that Queen Anne's Lace

a wildflower, can induce abortion. I never needed to know more, but held on to this knowledge. You can look for information online. I checked a few years ago, when another state passed another restrictive anti-women bill. The online information by and large says not to ingest this or other folk medicine.

So we can have legal, safe abortions. Or we can pass along other options.

[LeftInTX]

72. My grandmother almost died from an herbal induced abortion...No!!!

[Marthe48]

75. Exactly!

Please note that I was mentioning what used to be, and what we are heading back to.

Glad your Grandmother survived.

[Deep State Witch]

56. I'm Now Your Aunt In Maryland

If you live in Texas and need an abortion, my husband and I are now your aunt and uncle in Maryland. You can come visit us for a few days. We have a futon, and I can help you get to any place that you want to "visit". The one catch is that you have to tolerate cats, because we have three of them.

[TrogL]

58. How incredibly kind

[Racygrandma]

61. Just had a frient try to get into Canada

He has a storage shed there, he used to live in Wisconsin, so he drove up there from here (kansas) and had the paperwork filled out, proof of a vaccine and a negative covid test, and could not get in because he used the wrong covid test. I think they do not want a lot of us there. They think we are too crazy.

[H2Oart]

65. why there

I believe there are many states still following Rowe v Wade and say abortion is legal. A quick plane ride from the GQP states to the Common sense states will work too.

[totodeinhere]

66. Of course not every woman can just drop everything and fly off to Switzerland.

And many poor women could not afford a trip to Canada.

[rdking647]

71. im in texas and will help any woman who needs an abortion

and if someone wants to sue me ill counter sue them under federal law for civil rights violations.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

74. The best way you can help right now is to donate to abortion funds in Texas or surrounding states.

linktr.ee/teafund
lilithfund.org
fundtexaschoice.org
bucklebunnies.org
linktr.ee/AfiyaCenter
linktr.ee/FronteraFundRGV
clinicaccess.org
inktr.ee/WestFundTx

Arkansas:
https://www.arabortionsupport.org/donate

Louisiana:
https://www.neworleansabortionfund.org/donate

New Mexico:
https://nmrcrc.org/donate
http://mariposafund.org/donation/

Oklahoma:
https://www.roefund.org/donate

[rdking647]

76. already done