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babylonsister

(171,056 posts)
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 09:00 AM Sep 2021

Eric Boehlert: Sorry Chuck Todd, America is not hopelessly "divided" over Covid

https://pressrun.media/p/no-chuck-todd-america-is-not-divided

Sorry Chuck Todd, America is not hopelessly “divided” over Covid
Both Sides nonsense
Eric Boehlert
1 hr ago


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Make no mistake, there is a loud and dangerous right-wing minority in this country building roadblocks and creating havoc as we try to put the pandemic behind us. They often stage noisy and demented protests at local school board meetings, leveling unhinged attacks on local officials who are trying to keep children and teachers safe. (In Tucson, police were called when protesters threatened to make a citizen's arrest on a school principal and zip tie her.) The media’s constant desire to portray them as representing half the country is lazy and inaccurate.

Instead of portraying the dangerous zealots accurately, the media downplay the threat by presenting anti-vaccine and anti-mask fanatics as being the mirror opposite of Democrats and progressives who embrace science and common sense. If there’s a “divide,” that means there are two equal, opposing forces, right? The press much prefers to tell the tale of Both Sides facing off over Covid, instead of detailing a deranged and radical minority waging war on mainstream America.

The country as a whole is not divided over Covid in any traditional sense, so how and why does the press keep pushing that narrative? One way journalists pull it off is by using fuzzy math. They do it by pointing to polling data that shows Democrats and Republicans on polar opposite ends of the issue and loudly announcing that America suffers from an incurable political and cultural rift.

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So when the media breathlessly hypes polls that show 70 percent of Republicans oppose mask mandates, that doesn’t mean 70 percent of one half of the country opposes the rule. It means 70 percent of a shrinking minority party in this country stand opposed. (i.e. Roughly 20 percent of the total U.S. population contests mask requirements for schools today.)

We’re only truly “divided” when it comes to the Covid carnage in this country. In blue states in the Northeast the pandemic remains essentially over. That’s where low case, death, and hospitalization numbers remain the norm. In Florida and Texas, the virus is claiming victims at will, as Republican governors do everything in their power to put citizens at risk. Soon, the number of Covid deaths in both Florida and Texas could surpass the number of Americans who died in the Vietnam War.

The press ought to focus on that divide, and detail how the Republican Party and its leaders have made a conscious decision to prolong a deadly pandemic, even though a free and effective vaccine is available to stop it. It represents a stunning chapter in American history. Instead of focusing its attention on a conservative movement that is quite clearly killing its own, the press wallows in the shallow confines of its Divided narrative.
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Eric Boehlert: Sorry Chuck Todd, America is not hopelessly "divided" over Covid (Original Post) babylonsister Sep 2021 OP
Nice narrative Sherman A1 Sep 2021 #1
K&R spanone Sep 2021 #2
Kind of quibbling over language to no real point. Tomconroy Sep 2021 #3
Down here in Flahduh, it's a thing. jaxexpat Sep 2021 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2021 #15
80% is a substantial majority. Dream Girl Sep 2021 #10
No, words are important, and the word "divide" here is strongly whathehell Sep 2021 #13
'Equally divided' would suggest half and half. Tomconroy Sep 2021 #35
Equally divided doesn't "suggest" half and half.. whathehell Sep 2021 #37
Now you sound like the article. Tomconroy Sep 2021 #38
Whatever. whathehell Sep 2021 #39
And its not 20% quakerboy Sep 2021 #31
Soon it will be clear that the actual divide it between the healthy people and the seriously ill Walleye Sep 2021 #4
Many Reps got vaccines and wear masks. twodogsbarking Sep 2021 #5
Agree 100% BlueJac Sep 2021 #6
I'll at least wait until he figures out how to make a complete sentence... dchill Sep 2021 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2021 #7
Boehlert is correct of course, NBC will stir up controversy and keep it going FakeNoose Sep 2021 #8
And, that is all they care about... ratings and the income it brings. (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Sep 2021 #36
No, a divide does not mean there are "two equal, opposing forces" mathematic Sep 2021 #11
I don't think so. The word "divide" would be meaningless spooky3 Sep 2021 #18
is this a joke? mathematic Sep 2021 #19
No, it's no more a joke than is your post. spooky3 Sep 2021 #20
Controversy sells news Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 #12
Chuck Todd is Intellectually lazy, incompetent PLUS Bought and Paid for by the Corporate Bosses. Tommymac Sep 2021 #14
" If there's a "divide," that means there are two equal, opposing forces, right?" relayerbob Sep 2021 #16
Boehlert is on it. Correct numbers need repeating so that the 77% who did NOT vote GOP ancianita Sep 2021 #17
Fuck Todd - what a useless dittohead. BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #21
Once again, Boehlert solves the Mystery of the Missing Journalistic Context Rocknation Sep 2021 #22
Spot on commentary peggysue2 Sep 2021 #24
Bothsiderism, a snake with one head whose other end scares you with its rattle. StClone Sep 2021 #25
Chuck Todd wants his horserace Moebym Sep 2021 #26
But is the horse de-wormed? Blue Owl Sep 2021 #30
The press fails to include an important contingent in their fuzzy math calculations. littlemissmartypants Sep 2021 #27
Chuck Todd is unaware of reality & it must be difficult to do a show every day in that state of mind bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #28
30% The Wizard Sep 2021 #29
I feel the same way whenever anyone describes 'the racial divide" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #32
Agree! True Blue American Sep 2021 #34
I read every one of Eric's columns. True Blue American Sep 2021 #33
 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
3. Kind of quibbling over language to no real point.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 09:19 AM
Sep 2021

To me 20 percent is kind of a divide of some significance.

jaxexpat

(6,818 posts)
9. Down here in Flahduh, it's a thing.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 09:59 AM
Sep 2021

I'd guess it's about 50-50 masked vs unmasked. It would help if the general public were reminded just how small the maskless group really is. Treating them as one side of a national argument is misleading us all.

Response to jaxexpat (Reply #9)

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
13. No, words are important, and the word "divide" here is strongly
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 10:32 AM
Sep 2021

imdicative of a half and half situation. 20% is not even close to that.

quakerboy

(13,919 posts)
31. And its not 20%
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 01:07 AM
Sep 2021

Something like 47% of americans arent vaccinated. 33% if you count out the under 12's



And thats assuming that a significant chunk of vaccinated folks arent still on that bandwagon, and only got the jab because of a persistent relative, friend, boss, etc. Which isnt a very safe assumption.

Walleye

(31,008 posts)
4. Soon it will be clear that the actual divide it between the healthy people and the seriously ill
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 09:46 AM
Sep 2021

And it seems most of the seriously ill are ending up that way by their own choice. It would be Monty python material if it weren’t so grotesquely real

twodogsbarking

(9,732 posts)
5. Many Reps got vaccines and wear masks.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 09:48 AM
Sep 2021

Not all are aligned with the anti-crowd. There is some unity.
Chuck sells drug commercials to drug companies. TV.

dchill

(38,472 posts)
23. I'll at least wait until he figures out how to make a complete sentence...
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:34 PM
Sep 2021

...and deliver it on air.

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

FakeNoose

(32,633 posts)
8. Boehlert is correct of course, NBC will stir up controversy and keep it going
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 09:57 AM
Sep 2021

... all for the ratings, the talking points, and the fake Repuke outrage.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
11. No, a divide does not mean there are "two equal, opposing forces"
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 10:05 AM
Sep 2021

Did this dude lose his dictionary? Yes, obviously the country is divided over covid. This guy just wants to peddle outraged-at-the-media clickbait.

spooky3

(34,438 posts)
18. I don't think so. The word "divide" would be meaningless
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 11:37 AM
Sep 2021

In polling if we didn’t infer roughly half vs. half. On any issue there will be some percentage that disagrees with the majority. If Boehlert were wrong, as you claim, reporters would describe EVERY result as “divided.”

Boehlert has been a excellent critic of media bias for a long time.

mathematic

(1,439 posts)
19. is this a joke?
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 11:52 AM
Sep 2021

divide: noun, a wide divergence between two groups, typically producing tension or hostility

Are you telling me that's not an accurate way to describe covid attitudes in america? Adults are heckling teenage children speaking out at school board meetings and that's not a divide? Airline passengers are literally committing acts of violence when told they have to wear a mask. When was the last time somebody got kicked off a flight because they thought the corporate tax rate should be 28%?

spooky3

(34,438 posts)
20. No, it's no more a joke than is your post.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 12:08 PM
Sep 2021

Where does one draw the line IN POLLING, if not roughly half? At 40%? At 10%?

His point was clear.

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
14. Chuck Todd is Intellectually lazy, incompetent PLUS Bought and Paid for by the Corporate Bosses.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 10:35 AM
Sep 2021

An unholy trinity.

MSNBC plays both sides of the fence just for $$$$, and to support the War Cartels - Red in the AM, Blue in the evenings. Shame on them.

Sad to think it is the best mainstream MSM network the Progressive Liberal Left has.



relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
16. " If there's a "divide," that means there are two equal, opposing forces, right?"
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 11:12 AM
Sep 2021

Um, no. And most of the rest of this is equally biased, reinforcing the division it is trying to pretend doesn't exist. The final paragraph is not only nonsense, but Boehlert clearly isn't paying attention to most of the media, only to those parts that doesn't fit his narrative. Hmm, makes him into exactly what he is complaining about.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
17. Boehlert is on it. Correct numbers need repeating so that the 77% who did NOT vote GOP
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 11:21 AM
Sep 2021

know THEY WON, and in the years ahead, they need to keep the 20%

Rocknation

(44,576 posts)
22. Once again, Boehlert solves the Mystery of the Missing Journalistic Context
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 01:33 PM
Sep 2021

Last edited Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:34 PM - Edit history (4)

Fighting to create the illusion that Trump and his policies were popular with at least half the population is precisely why he lost the popular vote twice -- and by a margin twice as large the second time.

Boehlert has called them out about this once before: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215229582


Rocknation

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
24. Spot on commentary
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 02:13 PM
Sep 2021

Time to assign blame where it belongs: The Republican propaganda machine. Yesterday I read the headline (and then scanned) an Atlantic article, beseeching the vaccinated to stop 'death-shaming' the anti-vaxxers, some of whom can be reached if 'we honestly and generously inhabit their point of view.'

After reading the article? The only thing I felt was general annoyance and anger. The whole speil reminded me of how Americans needed to understand Trump's appeal to rural America, how people felt disenfranchised and left behind. And then, we had 4 years of chaos and mayhem where the organizing principles in these groups were hate and outrage followed by more hate.

Maybe the author (Elizabeth Bruenig, I think) has the patience to speak with her uncle as if he were a 15-year old, dissecting his 'hesitancy' reasons. Personally I don't have that patience because people are dying, children are on ventilators struggling for their next breath and a pandemic that could have been contained has surged once again.

Maybe the uncle who feels put upon by the accusation that his decision is killing people should think again. Because his decision and those 25-30% of Americans who have come up with all sorts of excuses are killing people.

And that is unforgivable.

Moebym

(989 posts)
26. Chuck Todd wants his horserace
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:20 PM
Sep 2021

His boxing match, his football game. He wishes he were an actual sports commentator instead of a pundit.

The stakes are far higher than who takes home the Triple Crown or the Super Bowl championship trophy, but you wouldn't know it by how some folks in the news media treat these life-and-death issues. Illness and death statistics may as well be scores.

littlemissmartypants

(22,632 posts)
27. The press fails to include an important contingent in their fuzzy math calculations.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:44 PM
Sep 2021

That is the "independents" aka the unaffiliated voters block.

6 facts about U.S. political independents
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/05/15/facts-about-us-political-independents/

9 states where registered independents outnumber major political parties
https://ivn.us/2018/08/08/9-states-registered-independents-outnumber-major-political-parties/


What the 2020 electorate looks like by party, race and ethnicity, age, education and religion
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/26/what-the-2020-electorate-looks-like-by-party-race-and-ethnicity-age-education-and-religion/


Nationwide Voter Registration Data by Party
https://ballot-access.org/2020/10/24/nationwide-voter-registration-data-by-party/


Fastest growing voter demographic
https://ivn.us/2016/02/24/independent-voter-registration-by-state/

Wikipedia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_voter

Kick.

Thanks for sharing this, babylonsister.

❤ pants





bucolic_frolic

(43,128 posts)
28. Chuck Todd is unaware of reality & it must be difficult to do a show every day in that state of mind
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:27 PM
Sep 2021

To my ear he is all opinion and too little background on a wide range of subjects.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
32. I feel the same way whenever anyone describes 'the racial divide"
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 01:35 AM
Sep 2021

racial divide would be if white people were on one side and minorities were on the other. But that's not the case

In reality we have white people and minorities on one side and racist white people on the other.

There is no "racial divide." The real divide is between racists and non-racists.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
33. I read every one of Eric's columns.
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 04:25 AM
Sep 2021

He is a huge dose of reality among the nasty gossip mongers in today’s cable news that simply feed right wing non news.

We have to hear over and over Trump’s latest babbling as if they mean something.

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