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NewHendoLib

(60,014 posts)
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:01 PM Sep 2021

interesting poll in NYT Op Ed section "Quiz: If America Had Six Parties, Which Would You Belong To?"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/08/opinion/republicans-democrats-parties.html

Not sure if there is a paywall for this. I came out in the Progessive party, way down in the lower left corner.

America’s two-party system is broken. Democrats and Republicans are locked in an increasingly destructive partisan struggle that has produced gridlock and stagnation on too many critical issues — most urgently, the pandemic and climate change.

There is no reasonable or timely way to fix this broken system. But there is an alternative: more parties.

It is not so hard to imagine a six-party system — and it would not even require a constitutional amendment.

The description of how to get to such a system is below. But first, whether you are a Democrat, Republican or Independent (or other), in the 20-question quiz below, you can discover which new party would be the best fit for you.

(then there is a click quiz - no way to copy it - and you have to take it to see the six - I will redo it and list them)


The six are Progressive, American Labor Party, New Liberal Party, Growth and Opportunity Party, Patriot Party and Christian Conservative Party

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interesting poll in NYT Op Ed section "Quiz: If America Had Six Parties, Which Would You Belong To?" (Original Post) NewHendoLib Sep 2021 OP
There's a paywall. fierywoman Sep 2021 #1
See my post #15. Equomba Sep 2021 #19
There is a paywall tirebiter Sep 2021 #2
Try changing browsers. It's an interesting quiz, hopefully this will work. Equomba Sep 2021 #20
Interesting, was no paywall for me. I came out same as you. Funny, I wonder why I had no paywall. RKP5637 Sep 2021 #3
you get a few articles per month before paywall pops up Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #8
Oh, that explains it. Thanks! RKP5637 Sep 2021 #13
here DBoon Sep 2021 #4
thanks NewHendoLib Sep 2021 #5
That was.fun Demovictory9 Sep 2021 #6
NY Times trying to divide Democrats and create more chaos by suggesting the more the merrier. That JohnSJ Sep 2021 #7
Lee Drutman's poll advancing his agenda. Behind a paywall. Budi Sep 2021 #14
Well said JohnSJ Sep 2021 #25
BS- the Democratic Party isn't broken marybourg Sep 2021 #9
Paywall but I paid ColinC Sep 2021 #10
Opinion Piece by Lee Drutman. Is pushing his own agenda for the end of a 2 Party system. Budi Sep 2021 #11
Look around you...mostly righties in power where there are multiple parties...minority rule too. Demsrule86 Sep 2021 #18
This agenda of suggestive media influence is the end of American Democracy. Budi Sep 2021 #34
Bastard scoundrels. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOT BROKEN. Hortensis Sep 2021 #12
It's what they're doing now. Since 2016. Budi Sep 2021 #24
Yup. Interestingly, they never have fractured the Democratic Party. Hortensis Sep 2021 #35
If we cannot pass the infrastructure bill that got some Republican support question everything Sep 2021 #36
Couldn't disagree more. It's all about POWER. We use it well, Hortensis Sep 2021 #38
For those being locked out because of a pay wall, Equomba Sep 2021 #15
Didn't work for me on Firefox either n/t left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #21
It worked for me this time, and has also worked in the past. Equomba Sep 2021 #23
There is a simple solution PBC_Democrat Sep 2021 #16
if you take away all the lying, cheating, and stealing stillcool Sep 2021 #17
Definitely Delphinus Sep 2021 #22
Meaning no different than the Democratic Party, other than fracturing it, while the Republican Party Budi Sep 2021 #29
It wouldn't work unless we switched to a parliamentary system with proportional representation DavidDvorkin Sep 2021 #26
New Liberal Party is the closest exboyfil Sep 2021 #27
I'm tired of hearing how the two-party system is broken. W_HAMILTON Sep 2021 #28
With over 1/3rd of the country insane exboyfil Sep 2021 #30
Precisely. Note that it's not the Republucan Party demanding to be splintered into 6+... Budi Sep 2021 #31
I read that wrong, and was about to say "Any of them, please!" lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #32
Progressive Party ironflange Sep 2021 #33
None - I would still be a Democratic JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #37

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
3. Interesting, was no paywall for me. I came out same as you. Funny, I wonder why I had no paywall.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:06 PM
Sep 2021

No idea.

JohnSJ

(92,190 posts)
7. NY Times trying to divide Democrats and create more chaos by suggesting the more the merrier. That
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:18 PM
Sep 2021

is how Democrats lose elections

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
14. Lee Drutman's poll advancing his agenda. Behind a paywall.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:38 PM
Sep 2021

Drutman can maybe report back to The Federalist Society Think Tank as to the results of his agenda push poll. Behind a paywall.

OR:
"How to Break Democracy"

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
11. Opinion Piece by Lee Drutman. Is pushing his own agenda for the end of a 2 Party system.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:31 PM
Sep 2021

Lee Drutman is a senior fellow in the program on political reform at New America.
Accomplished in his career, author of "Breaking the Two-Party Doom Loop":
He promotes Ranked Choice Voting & a multi party system.

QUESTION: What Nations have 6+ Party systems & who holds the dominate power?
What happens to a Democracy with 6+ Parties vying for dominence, thru Media bias, Money, or Truth Telling.


https://fedsoc.org/contributors/lee-drutman
2016- Drutman hosted roundtable discussions for THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY.

The Federalist Society's Faculty Division will host a roundtable discussion, titled "Congress, Delegation, and the Administrative State," at the 2016 American Political Science Association's Annual Meeting in Philadelphia on September 2nd. We invite anyone planning to attend the conference to join us for what promises to be an excellent discussion featuring:

Lee Drutman, New America Foundation & The Johns Hopkins University
Gordon Lloyd, Pepperdine University & Ashbrook Center
Daniel H. Lowenstein, UCLA School of Law
Neomi Rao, George Mason University Antonin Scalia School of Law
Moderator: Michael Uhlmann, Claremont Graduate University
If you plan to attend, please email christopher.goffos@fed-soc.org to let us know.

2016 Topic of Roundtable hosted by THE FEDERALIST SOCIETY
Abstract:
In Federalist 51, Madison explained that the Constitution’s division of powers was designed not only to assign different powers to different branches, but also to design the branches so that each would have the necessary tools to protect its own authority. Doing this would enable ambition to counteract ambition and thus protect against “a gradual concentration of the several powers in the same department.” Madison also believed that the branch most likely to try to encroach on the other branches was the legislature, because “In republican government, the legislative authority necessarily predominates.”

It therefore might come as something of a surprise that over the course of the past century, Congress has voluntarily ceded (in function if not also in form) considerable control over national governance to a variety of executive branch and/or independent agencies
, to the point that it has arguably not only ceded much of its natural primacy in domestic affairs but has also found it difficult to reassert itself on many major questions – including even through its clearest trump card, the power of the purse. Why has Congress passed on much of its authority to the executive...


More...

QUESTION: What Nations have 6+ Party systems & who holds the dominate power?
What happens to a Democracy with 6+ Parties vying for dominence, thru Foreign interferance, Media bias, Money, or Truth Telling.

Demsrule86

(68,565 posts)
18. Look around you...mostly righties in power where there are multiple parties...minority rule too.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:40 PM
Sep 2021

I am completely against more than two parties.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
34. This agenda of suggestive media influence is the end of American Democracy.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:06 PM
Sep 2021

Of course the Federalists need people to believe that it is the Democratic Party that needs fracturing.

Not rocket science why they've been creating that narrative, especially since 2016.

Drutman ran a NYT push poll, behind a paywall, to use as legitimate proof then, that the Democratic Party should be fractured.

And people are agreeing??
😕

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Bastard scoundrels. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS NOT BROKEN.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:33 PM
Sep 2021

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS BROKEN. Can't make it seem healthy, but can do the usual fake equalization with the RW slimeballs to subvert confidence in us.

As for the question: Lucky me, I'm a mainstream liberal (left margin), and I'd be in the large liberal party.

There are real reasons Americans form two large parties (one conservative and one liberal) and extras don't do well. Political scientists explain them. It's been a very consistent pattern, and the NYT's RW agents know it.

So, I don't fear that I'd have to float independent, hoping for a better choice than one of the smaller parties that formed compromising alliances in order to achieve any power. Or have to watch my small party evolving and reforming around different leaders and issues as voters and fickle enthusiasms come and go. Or watch my party maintain its integrity while seldom being able to affect anything.



 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
24. It's what they're doing now. Since 2016.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:51 PM
Sep 2021

It's the deceitful methods of keeping warring 'Parties' seperated while advancing the agenda of the dominent Party.

Which would be the Republican Party.
As it is today, the Republican Party does not allow for seperate groups within its political existance.

It is because of The Federalist Society's steady advancement that we are in the dire situation with our Democracy.

It is the eternal strength of the Democratic Party that has kept them out of dominence.
Of course they see the way to break thru that line as fracturing the Democratic Party into defeatable warring sub-Parties.

It's what has been happening since pre-2016.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Yup. Interestingly, they never have fractured the Democratic Party.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:13 PM
Sep 2021

That they have is just one of the media's Big Lies.

The people who claim to hold Democratic Party values but to be unable to vote for ("corrupt, corporatist, RW" ) Democrats do that every election, usually claiming loyalty to a fringe candidate who can't win then noisily pretending to "break" away. Same small %s, same people, with more of the type coming along to replace those who age out. That's not fracture because opposition is their reason for existence, but every election media call them a "wing" of our party.

Each election some wobblies shift from one party to another and voter participation goes up and down. But that's not fracture either, no matter how much hostile media make of it.

Of course, the wobblies do matter in this unstable era when elections are typically won by dangerously narrow margins. But that's because of deep Republican-Democratic Party divisions that create strong, typically lifelong party adherence, the very opposite of fracture.

As you say, they've been at their Big Lies for a long time, but the stakes have never been this high.


question everything

(47,479 posts)
36. If we cannot pass the infrastructure bill that got some Republican support
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:29 PM
Sep 2021

a bill which is sorely needed, because some Democrats hold it hostage then, yes, the party is at least cracked.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. Couldn't disagree more. It's all about POWER. We use it well,
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 05:57 PM
Sep 2021

far smarter than Republicans, but we need more to offset the advantages that lawlessness and willingness to destroy give them. As for Manchin and Sinema, they're two of approximately 8 to 10 Democrats, whom the voters of 8 to 10 states elected, who want the bills scaled down. The Democratic legislators elected by over 80 million voters are SUPPOSED to have disagreement and are SUPPOSED to arrive at compromises that serve all but seldom give any one group complete victory.

What's not normal is the enormous stakes right now created by the Republican treason.

Btw, imo, you should take a long, cool look at the sources that lead you to think this way.

 

Equomba

(197 posts)
15. For those being locked out because of a pay wall,
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:39 PM
Sep 2021

what often works for me, and I tried to access the NYT site without luck, is to change to a different browser. I couldn't get in on Chrome, but I gained access with Firefox. Worth a try.

 

Equomba

(197 posts)
23. It worked for me this time, and has also worked in the past.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:50 PM
Sep 2021

I'm not a computer expert but I was under the impression each browser contained its own history, and that was where the sites such as the NYT check. Perhaps someone who knows more about this can chime in with a work-around.

PBC_Democrat

(401 posts)
16. There is a simple solution
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:39 PM
Sep 2021

Ranked Choice Voting.

Instead of locking people into one of the two dysfunctional major parties - they could vote the way they really feel. In your case your first choice would be Progressive, second choice might be New Liberal, third choice could be Growth and Opportunity.

RCV would also measure how much support each party ACTUALLY has. It would force politicians to quit pandering and compete to be voters' second or third choice.

More political parties = more participation = GOOD thing.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
17. if you take away all the lying, cheating, and stealing
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:39 PM
Sep 2021

anything would work. Hard to fix broken with something broken.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
29. Meaning no different than the Democratic Party, other than fracturing it, while the Republican Party
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:55 PM
Sep 2021

...demands & gets total loyalty & dominence over the infighting they promoted to break the Democratic Party.

Fracturing it is the only way they gain full control.

See The Federalist Society

This is Lee Drutman's NYT push poll to advance that agenda.

DavidDvorkin

(19,477 posts)
26. It wouldn't work unless we switched to a parliamentary system with proportional representation
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:53 PM
Sep 2021

Which would, of course, require an enormously long amendment.

I'd prefer such a system, but we all know that's not going to happen.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
27. New Liberal Party is the closest
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:53 PM
Sep 2021

Except when they conclude that the wealthy are innovators with the New Liberal party. The wealthy appear to be more rent seeking than innovators. Poor people and middle class people are the usual innovators, but they often lose their souls in the desire to maintain their wealth and influence.

Probably Progressive party as an alternative, but I am almost centered between New Liberal, Progressive, and American Labor Party.

W_HAMILTON

(7,864 posts)
28. I'm tired of hearing how the two-party system is broken.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:53 PM
Sep 2021

Regardless of how many parties you want to include -- hell, why not just consider all voters their own party and let's have ~160 million parties!!! -- in the end, a majority of them will have to come together to form a governing party. Having more parties does absolutely nothing, other than hurt the current majority party (Democrats) since it just divides us up and the stalwart Trump Republicans stay united and vote together and would win even more than they already do with their minority party.

exboyfil

(17,863 posts)
30. With over 1/3rd of the country insane
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:57 PM
Sep 2021

You are right that party splitting will just lead to doom and fascists like Trump continuing to chip away rights and scoop up wealth while destroying the planent.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
31. Precisely. Note that it's not the Republucan Party demanding to be splintered into 6+...
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:58 PM
Sep 2021

This is straight up the long game of the Federalist Society.
One which benefits from Lee Drutman's push poll in the NYT.

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