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Evolve Dammit

(16,697 posts)
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:41 PM Sep 2021

Is DOJ hamstrung? I'm not sure under Garland's leadership that accountability and prosecution

are priorities. I'm contrasting to the arrests ironically under the previous administration (Manafort, Stone, etc.) for crimes committed. And can we ever have an un-redacted Mueller report?? Perhaps DOJ is as divided as America.

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Is DOJ hamstrung? I'm not sure under Garland's leadership that accountability and prosecution (Original Post) Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 OP
Seriously. It seems like they are completely inert budkin Sep 2021 #1
It's been six months basically. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #2
Even just an update with what they're doing... luv2fly Sep 2021 #3
They are not required to give us updates. They are there doing their job! And it takes time PortTack Sep 2021 #6
Maybe DOJ needs a point person then, because we're running out of justice and perhaps democracy. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #15
They need to market what they're doing Retrograde Sep 2021 #20
Are we really going to do the blind faith thing again? ecstatic Sep 2021 #26
You're right, nobody has to tell us anything ever luv2fly Sep 2021 #29
They have been writing serious letters JohnSJ Sep 2021 #5
I hope they are sternly worded. smirkymonkey Sep 2021 #14
Exactly, that will do it JohnSJ Sep 2021 #25
It's not looking good. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #4
From the outside in Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #7
I agree. They are competent career people. But there has been limited action. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #10
I read in the Washington Post magazine Corgigal Sep 2021 #8
Yeah and we were going to close Guantanamo too. Nobody is above the law seems a joke. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #13
Everyone says they are going to close Guantanamo. former9thward Sep 2021 #28
This 100% DetroitLegalBeagle Sep 2021 #32
We need to name names. Who the hell is calling these shots? It ain't We the people. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #35
Lawrence Tribe is good with Garland stillcool Sep 2021 #9
Might be hamstrung by rules that Trump put into place fescuerescue Sep 2021 #11
I have zero confidence in Garland. BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #12
+1000 smirkymonkey Sep 2021 #16
People keep saying he puts "The Institution" first Bettie Sep 2021 #17
Amen. BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #19
Back in 2016 McConnel proposed Garland Retrograde Sep 2021 #22
I'm old enough to remember when the DOJ acted first BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #23
Well, he doesn't want to be too hard on people Bettie Sep 2021 #27
It's a damn good thing the DOJ didn't feel that way BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #30
Yeah, it is Bettie Sep 2021 #31
Me too Bettie, me too. nt. BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #34
How about Separation of Church and State Mary in S. Carolina Sep 2021 #18
Easy... BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #21
I think Biden appointed Garland specifically because he wouldn't do anything that might look Poiuyt Sep 2021 #24
If that's true, and it well might be, it is potentially democracy-breaking. If DOJ is reduced to Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #36
They're busy printing up parking and jaywalking tickets for the traitors to plead to. NBachers Sep 2021 #33
So far it sure feels that way. Most of the country has moved on, and the hearings aren't even news. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #37
Justice Department planning to sue Texas over abortion law LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #38
Well, there's these two stories. Whaddaya think? And there's more. Hekate Sep 2021 #39
Oh woe is me, oh gloom and doom, the world is ending. Well done you: there's like twodozen people... Hekate Sep 2021 #40
No need to be insulting. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #41
Never Hekate Sep 2021 #44
pretty darn close; read the Rules. I don't think Buddha or DU would like that Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #45
When operating properly, DoJ doesn't "announce" who or what it is investigating... Wounded Bear Sep 2021 #42
Hope you're right Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #43
Say it again StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #46

budkin

(6,698 posts)
1. Seriously. It seems like they are completely inert
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:42 PM
Sep 2021

We only get statements saying how they are going to do this and that but never do anything.

jimfields33

(15,682 posts)
2. It's been six months basically.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:49 PM
Sep 2021

I know he was not appointed until a few months after president Biden was inaugurated. It really hasn’t been that long. If a year from now, nothing, then it’s time for concern.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
3. Even just an update with what they're doing...
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:52 PM
Sep 2021

... and how things are going would give hope to the masses that put these people in power.

Retrograde

(10,128 posts)
20. They need to market what they're doing
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:34 PM
Sep 2021

or as another poster said, a pointperson to regularly tell the public what's been accomplished. The GOP and their base understand it's all about getting the message out, and that's what they're good at.

ecstatic

(32,648 posts)
26. Are we really going to do the blind faith thing again?
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:53 PM
Sep 2021

That's what happened with Mueller. I'm just going to assume nothing will be done until they show me different.

Also, even though they're not required to give updates, they should respect us enough to do so. They don't have to give their strategy away, just let us know that they're at least working towards prosecuting the planners of the attack.

Keeping the public informed has been standard practice for every other attack! What other attack can you think of where the authorities disappeared into a backroom and never updated the public again? And I'm not referring to the minions who carried out the attack--I want to be updated on the big fish. They need to be held accountable but instead they're still in Congress and/or threatening to run for president again in 2024.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
29. You're right, nobody has to tell us anything ever
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:56 PM
Sep 2021

What a fucked up democracy that would be. Accountability matters.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. It's not looking good.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:54 PM
Sep 2021

Full-term babies have been conceived and delivered since the coup attempt.

None of the leaders are in jail yet. We know who they are.

Mad_Machine76

(24,392 posts)
7. From the outside in
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:04 PM
Sep 2021

It's hard to tell TBH. I have a hard time believing that they are sitting on their hands but I imagine they have a lot of messes to clean up and sort out and 1/6 is a huge mess in and of itself. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for awhile. I don't subscribe to the idea that they are incompetent, negligent, etc.

Corgigal

(9,291 posts)
8. I read in the Washington Post magazine
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:07 PM
Sep 2021

that Garland doesn’t want to deal with things in the past. When I mentioned this to my husband he said, aren’t most crimes in the past?

Thought, damn. Got a glass of wine.

former9thward

(31,935 posts)
28. Everyone says they are going to close Guantanamo.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:55 PM
Sep 2021

Then when they get in power someone whispers to them "Yes, it would be nice to close it but we need someplace we can take non citizens where U.S. Constitutional rights do not apply" And it never gets closed.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,914 posts)
32. This 100%
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 05:45 PM
Sep 2021

And if by some miracle it actually is shut down, I guarantee it's because we've got a replacement up and running elsewhere.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
9. Lawrence Tribe is good with Garland
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:08 PM
Sep 2021

that was nice of him to say to Rachel. The way of things in this country does not bode well for accountability. It's never been done before.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
12. I have zero confidence in Garland.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:25 PM
Sep 2021

So far he sounds like Trump… “in two weeks I will reveal…” Some day I hope I can say I’m wrong - but so far he’s underwhelming. He may be a good judge but as “America’s Prosecutor” he’s toothless.

Bettie

(16,069 posts)
17. People keep saying he puts "The Institution" first
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:30 PM
Sep 2021

well, the institution means nothing if it stands for nothing but "normalcy", whatever that even is.

Retrograde

(10,128 posts)
22. Back in 2016 McConnel proposed Garland
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:38 PM
Sep 2021

to Obama as "a judge he could work with", which to me is telling. He's a moderate, which these days is about what the right was 50 years ago. I'd like to see more motion on the Jan. 6 rioters for a start - why does it seem like the courts are going so slowly? They committed federal crimes, surely a federal law enforcement agency has an interest in seeing these cases prosecuted.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
23. I'm old enough to remember when the DOJ acted first
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:43 PM
Sep 2021

And held press conferences second. Today it seems like they are so busy holding press conferences they never get around to using the law to protect the people. Civil rights? Voting rights? Women’s rights? Protecting the constitution from those that would shit on it? There is much to be done but the DOJ under Garland doesn’t seem too interested in doing any of it.

Bettie

(16,069 posts)
27. Well, he doesn't want to be too hard on people
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:53 PM
Sep 2021

or it will "seem political".

Honestly, I don't expect to see any action from them beyond a few 'slap on the wrist' type sentences for lower level insurrectionists and then, they'll just let the rest of it go.

I wish I believed that there was even a slight possibility of justice or even accountability, but I don't.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
30. It's a damn good thing the DOJ didn't feel that way
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 05:02 PM
Sep 2021

When they were trying to enforce civil rights laws against George Wallace.

Bettie

(16,069 posts)
31. Yeah, it is
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 05:10 PM
Sep 2021

it's a really good thing.

Now imagine this DOJ in that situation.

Who knows? Maybe there are things happening...I wish I believed that was the case. I really do.

I really hope I'm wrong.

Poiuyt

(18,113 posts)
24. I think Biden appointed Garland specifically because he wouldn't do anything that might look
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:44 PM
Sep 2021

"political." That's fine, except when there have been crimes committed that impact our democracy.

Evolve Dammit

(16,697 posts)
36. If that's true, and it well might be, it is potentially democracy-breaking. If DOJ is reduced to
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 08:12 PM
Sep 2021

window dressing, we are cooked.

LetMyPeopleVote

(144,919 posts)
38. Justice Department planning to sue Texas over abortion law
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 01:07 AM
Sep 2021



The Department of Justice is planning to sue Texas as soon as this week, POLITICO has confirmed, a move that comes just days after Attorney General Merrick Garland said his department is exploring options to challenge the state’s strict abortion law.

While the lawsuit could come as soon as Thursday, it’s possible the timeline will be pushed back, according to The Wall Street Journal, which first reported the Justice Department’s preparations. The Biden administration has faced building pressure to act after the Supreme Court allowed the law to take effect in a 5-4 decision.

The Justice Department’s lawsuit is expected to argue that the Texas law illegally interferes with federal interests.

The new Texas law, SB 8, bans abortions once medical professionals can detect cardiac activity, usually around six weeks, before some women even know they are pregnant. The law places enforcement responsibilities on private parties, by incentivizing individuals who can recover $10,000 or more if they win a case against a party they accuse of performing or aiding in an abortion. By putting enforcement powers in the hands of private citizens, instead of state or local government officials, it leaves opponents of the bill without an obvious party to sue.

Hekate

(90,551 posts)
40. Oh woe is me, oh gloom and doom, the world is ending. Well done you: there's like twodozen people...
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 02:27 AM
Sep 2021

… wallowing in this despair. That takes talent!

Wounded Bear

(58,598 posts)
42. When operating properly, DoJ doesn't "announce" who or what it is investigating...
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 10:10 AM
Sep 2021

so I'm not that worried.

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