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Sovereign Citizen Pauline Bauer just submitted a 114-page motion to dismiss her charges. (1/6) (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2021 OP
My first thought when I see someone claiming sovereign citizenship and denying that any of alwaysinasnit Sep 2021 #1
I'm all for SoCalNative Sep 2021 #2
Well, we don't actually have to set them in the middle of the ocean, but at least out of US alwaysinasnit Sep 2021 #7
If they are not US Citizens leftieNanner Sep 2021 #4
+1000 alwaysinasnit Sep 2021 #8
Antarctica? hurple Sep 2021 #6
Interesting question. Got to look into that. alwaysinasnit Sep 2021 #10
Any room on the next Space X launch vehicle? dutch777 Sep 2021 #20
I like the way you think. alwaysinasnit Sep 2021 #21
I agree rockfordfile Sep 2021 #37
Hoo Boy! leftieNanner Sep 2021 #3
A dissertation of magical thinking and delusion I bet. Thomas Hurt Sep 2021 #5
Yes. Delusion, magical thinking, word salad, psychosis. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #13
If she isn't a citizen, then she's an enemy combatant. OhZone Sep 2021 #9
Sovereign citizen? Might as well be a unicorn. Progressive Jones Sep 2021 #11
Took her 114 pages to say Aristus Sep 2021 #12
Yes, crazy. Very crazy. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #15
Did she say that? leftieNanner Sep 2021 #18
No. The "yellow fringe flag" thing is a piece of Soveriegn Citizen nuttery. Aristus Sep 2021 #23
Surrey that is over the top. whistler162 Sep 2021 #34
I bet it was in a fancy report sleeve from the stationary store, too. Hugin Sep 2021 #14
You need a lot of Ranch to cover that big a word salad ironflange Sep 2021 #16
United States of America -dba USA A Corporation Action as Government LeftInTX Sep 2021 #17
My first American ancestor arrived in Virginia in 1640. Aristus Sep 2021 #24
Yeah 1/2 of my DNA came over before 1776 LeftInTX Sep 2021 #25
Does this cover those of us out west? Retrograde Sep 2021 #35
Par for the course - Ms. Toad Sep 2021 #19
Let her be the sovereign of a 2 square foot rock in the ocean. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #22
It is too short dalton99a Sep 2021 #26
That part right there is some terrible pretend legal writing ms liberty Sep 2021 #36
As Far As Your Contest Goes... ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #27
I don't know. The stuff in latin is pretty convincing. Tomconroy Sep 2021 #28
I'm sure there are still some guano-covered rocks out in the ocean they could set up shop on. JHB Sep 2021 #29
She needs to be locked up in a mental ward. LiberalFighter Sep 2021 #30
Somehow, I doubt the court will find this persuasive Effete Snob Sep 2021 #31
IOW, "I don't recognize your court, but I will use your US law to file this motion to dismiss." displacedtexan Sep 2021 #32
Looks like somebody's been watching a little too much Game of Thrones. nt Tommy Carcetti Sep 2021 #33

alwaysinasnit

(5,063 posts)
1. My first thought when I see someone claiming sovereign citizenship and denying that any of
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:52 PM
Sep 2021

our laws apply to them is that, if that is so, then they are here illegally and should be deported. But then that begs the question, where would we deport them to, and bottom line, who would accept them? Just an amusing thought experiment.

alwaysinasnit

(5,063 posts)
7. Well, we don't actually have to set them in the middle of the ocean, but at least out of US
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:06 PM
Sep 2021

territorial waters. And if they attempt to return to the US, like all previously deported undocumented aliens, they are subject to imprisonment.

https://www.jonesactlaw.com/faqs/what-are-international-waters-and-what-are-their-boundaries/

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
4. If they are not US Citizens
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:01 PM
Sep 2021

then they need to stay off our roads. Don't call the Fire Department if their house catches on fire.................

Can't have it both ways.

leftieNanner

(15,082 posts)
3. Hoo Boy!
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 03:59 PM
Sep 2021

I tried.

Had trouble getting past

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
dba USA
A Corporation acting as Government

Even reading the first two pages made me cross my eyes.

Good luck Pauline the Vessel.

SMDH

Irish_Dem

(46,911 posts)
13. Yes. Delusion, magical thinking, word salad, psychosis.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:10 PM
Sep 2021

Poor woman.

A lot of legal word salad blended with pure fantasy.

She asks that the Maritime Admiralty pay her bail. I think that is what she is saying.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
12. Took her 114 pages to say
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:09 PM
Sep 2021

"You have yellow fringe on your flag, so your laws don't apply to me." - ?

I know, I know. Crazy...

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
23. No. The "yellow fringe flag" thing is a piece of Soveriegn Citizen nuttery.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:51 PM
Sep 2021

They think that a court having yellow fringe on its flag means the laws don't apply to them. Don't ask me why. They portrayed it once in an episode of Law & Order.

LeftInTX

(25,242 posts)
17. United States of America -dba USA A Corporation Action as Government
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:19 PM
Sep 2021

LOL...And she invokes:

[url=https://postimages.org/][img][/img][/url]

She is also claiming that because she had ancestors here before 1776 that the laws don't apply to her.


Can I get a pass??

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
24. My first American ancestor arrived in Virginia in 1640.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:53 PM
Sep 2021

I never expected that that entitled me to special treatment. What a bunch of dickbags they are...

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
35. Does this cover those of us out west?
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 06:28 PM
Sep 2021

I don't see any mention of the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo: does this mean we're still subject to Spanish law? If so, can I claim EU citizenship - that would be cool!

And even though I read a lot of history, I'm not sure what the "Constitution of 1868" is. Isn't that the one that includes the 14th amendment, thus negating her claim to be a sovereign citizen? (I confess: I'm reading this out of context and don't feel like wading through pages of nonsense)

Ms. Toad

(34,060 posts)
19. Par for the course -
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:27 PM
Sep 2021

But even more fun is working as a judicial clerk who has to respond to this franken-motion.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
22. Let her be the sovereign of a 2 square foot rock in the ocean.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:41 PM
Sep 2021

Hopefully that's the size at high tide. And hopefully climate change doesn't inundate it completely.

ms liberty

(8,572 posts)
36. That part right there is some terrible pretend legal writing
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 08:18 PM
Sep 2021

And I say that as a paralegal, not just your average intelligent adult. I might have to read the whole thing just for the opportunity to get a glimpse inside the mind of one of these fruitcakes. But if it's all this bad, I dunno...

ProfessorGAC

(64,995 posts)
27. As Far As Your Contest Goes...
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 04:56 PM
Sep 2021

...I lose!
I read none of it.
I really wouldn't waste a moment of time on such drivel.
Yet, without reading it, I already know what it will say.
Go figure!
This is one contest I'm completely ok with losing.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
31. Somehow, I doubt the court will find this persuasive
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 05:25 PM
Sep 2021

If you ever find yourself arrested and charged with a crime, don't submit this as your motion to dismiss.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
32. IOW, "I don't recognize your court, but I will use your US law to file this motion to dismiss."
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 05:55 PM
Sep 2021

Too weird for color TV.

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