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applegrove

(118,577 posts)
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 11:29 PM Sep 2021

Manchin Lays Out Long List of Demands

Manchin Lays Out Long List of Demands

September 8, 2021 at 11:12 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 10 Comments

https://politicalwire.com/2021/09/08/manchin-lays-out-long-list-of-demands/

"SNIP......

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-WV) and his staff “have been engaged for weeks in intensive negotiations with the chairs of key Senate committees ahead of his party’s release of a sprawling bill to expand the social safety net, laying down his demands on a wide-range of issues: health care, education, child care and taxes,” CNN reports.

“And Manchin is making clear he won’t cave on aggressive climate provisions sought by many Democrats, throwing a wrench in his party’s efforts to make the bill key to combating global warming.”

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Manchin Lays Out Long List of Demands (Original Post) applegrove Sep 2021 OP
DAMN! elleng Sep 2021 #1
He does know that the Eastern US is going to be very much wetter and applegrove Sep 2021 #2
if I say what I am thinking it will surely get hidden. NewHendoLib Sep 2021 #3
me too. i can NEVER post what i truly think about Joe Manchin, it isn't pretty. Trueblue1968 Sep 2021 #19
But his constituents don't want green energy jobs or health or education or help with the kids. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #4
One man standing in the way of addressing Climate Change. maxsolomon Sep 2021 #5
Shove it up your ass, Manchin. ng Coventina Sep 2021 #6
+1 CentralMass Sep 2021 #21
So sick of this f--king asshole! LW1977 Sep 2021 #7
As crooked as both he and his daugter are dflprincess Sep 2021 #8
The red state bubble red state people have been in will either dry up applegrove Sep 2021 #10
His, DEMANDS? Bayard Sep 2021 #9
No but to vote no would destroy the entire thing. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #18
I got a demand for him vercetti2021 Sep 2021 #11
We are lucky as all hell to have Manchin from WV as 1 of 50 D's in the Senate aeromanKC Sep 2021 #12
Your maths are off. Manchin says 1 to 1.5 trillion on the reconciliation bill, the bipartisan bill Celerity Sep 2021 #16
I remind all of this rot he spewed in July, and then say I am surprised at how many are surprised Celerity Sep 2021 #13
I dislike people on power trips. madaboutharry Sep 2021 #14
article is a waste of time. no list of demands. nt msongs Sep 2021 #15
yes, it only said Celerity Sep 2021 #17
Substance free click bait article Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #20
Some of his demands are understandable but others are just plain stupid dsc Sep 2021 #22
But he's from a (mostly) Red State Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #24
Just watch Mad_Machine76 Sep 2021 #23

applegrove

(118,577 posts)
2. He does know that the Eastern US is going to be very much wetter and
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 11:35 PM
Sep 2021

the western US very much drier and people and agriculture are going to have to adapt. Does he know this? So all americans are going to be adapting and it will be glaringly obvious in elections to come. Does he think Democrats are not going to talk about it? Or that people are not going to notice the disasters that surround them? And Red State people are not going to be in a bubble on this topic. It will pop.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
4. But his constituents don't want green energy jobs or health or education or help with the kids.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 11:48 PM
Sep 2021

According to some on DU, he's serving his constituents exactly what they want: a steaming plate of shit.

maxsolomon

(33,265 posts)
5. One man standing in the way of addressing Climate Change.
Wed Sep 8, 2021, 11:52 PM
Sep 2021

Representing an impoverished state despoiled and polluted by the industry that caused it.

Fuck the Senate.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
8. As crooked as both he and his daugter are
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:04 AM
Sep 2021

there must be something that could be used to persuade him.

applegrove

(118,577 posts)
10. The red state bubble red state people have been in will either dry up
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:15 AM
Sep 2021

or be inundated by climate changes in the US depending on whether you live in the Western USA or thr Eastern USA, south included. Agriculture and cities and towns will change. The Fox bubbleworld they live in will burst.

Bayard

(22,035 posts)
9. His, DEMANDS?
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:04 AM
Sep 2021

The world does not revolve around you, Manchin. Sounds like he's been taking narcissism lessons from TFG.

aeromanKC

(3,322 posts)
12. We are lucky as all hell to have Manchin from WV as 1 of 50 D's in the Senate
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:19 AM
Sep 2021

That's West Virgnia. A state that went +40 for Trump. (I don't know the actual number but it is crazy whackadoodle Red like that) Without Manchin nothing NOTHING Biden wants to do would get done. But with that being said, I sure as hell hope that after 2022 The Dems have +52 so Manchin can go to hell with his vote after that!!!!

I say pass whatever we can get now (looks like $2.5 trillion combined both bills is what we are looking at) and then after that GOTV the fucking vote for the Dems in 22 and then go scorched earth with a progressive agenda with +52 D Senators and the D House. Manchin Sinema be damned!! (hopefully we can get a new D Senator from CA via resignation or primary as well since she seems on the fence with reforming the filibuster)

As frustrating as it is to have Manchin dragging his feet on Biden's agenda, without him nothing gets done. We F'd up earlier in WI, PA, NC, ME, and IA for not getting a D Senator in from those states. I mean seriously WI. Johnson twice!!?? And Collins in ME again!!?? And sexting in NC..?? Ya, those races f'd us. And yet, we are still lucky to have a D in West Virginia as sucky as it is. Oh and by the way, THANK YOU Georgia!!! And JFC, thank you, thank you, thank you McConnell is NOT the Majority leader!!!

Celerity

(43,252 posts)
16. Your maths are off. Manchin says 1 to 1.5 trillion on the reconciliation bill, the bipartisan bill
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:53 AM
Sep 2021

contains only 550 billion in new spending. H ealready heped cut almsot 80% if the new spending from the bipartisan bill.

Biden's proposals totalled to 6.1 trillion usd (in new spending, inclusive of 400 billion usd in clean energy tax incentives) between the 2 bills.

The tax incentives were all removed from the bipartisan bill, as was a shedload of Biden's agenda.

IF Manchin gets his way, the total in new spending will be around 1.5 to 2 trillion usd, a massive drop from 6.1 trillion.

more detail here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15833203


as for this

and then after that GOTV the fucking vote for the Dems in 22 and then go scorched earth with a progressive agenda with +52 D Senators and the D House.


good luck fighting:

the historical tides of Dem POTUS first midterms (the last 2 were unmitigated disasters)

+

the 7 to 12 net seats we will lose in the House simply from post 2020 Census redirecting

+

the wave of voter suppression laws that will come, are coming already, and we cannot even pass the 2 vital voters protection bills because of Manchin and Sinema refusing to even modify the filibuster

+

not being able to run on a large, large part of Biden's agenda (IF Manchin and Sinema end up shredding massive parts, which they already have helped to do on the bipartisan bill)

+

The Senate map is hardly a slam dunk to go + 2 net

we have 4 at risk seats (GA, NH, AZ, NV)

the Rethugs have 3 (open seat in PA, open seat in NC, and WI, regardless of if that POS Johnson retires or not)

plus a very iffy reach race in FL


Manchin and Sinema do not even run for re-election (if Manchin even does) for over 3 more years, yet they are in the process, so far, of shitting all over Biden's agenda, the Party's agenda favoured by the vast, vast majority of the entire Dem caucus, and our chances in 2022.

Neither is even likely to win in 2024, Manchin has been outflanked on both the left AND the right by Justice in a hugely Red state, and Sinema is, atm, cruising to be defeated in a Dem primary (her numbers are in the shitter compared to Kelly, her Senate Dem AZ partner).

Celerity

(43,252 posts)
13. I remind all of this rot he spewed in July, and then say I am surprised at how many are surprised
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:20 AM
Sep 2021

he is tossing a spanner on the works on most anything green. He and Sinema already helped to crush most of the green things in the bi-partisan bill.



"If they're eliminating fossils, and I'm finding out there's a lot of language in places they're eliminating fossils, which is very, very disturbing, because if you're sticking your head in the sand, and saying that fossil (fuel) has to be eliminated in America, and they want to get rid of it, and thinking that's going to clean up the global climate, it won't clean it up all," Manchin told CNN in July of his party's plans. "If anything, it would be worse."


He and Sinema already helped strip out almost 80% of all the new spending in the bipartisan hard infrastructure bill

Biden wanted $2.6 trillion new spend ($2.2 trillion for programmes and $400 billion in tax credits to fight global climate change)

the bill ended up at $550 billion new spend, and ALL tax credits removed

more detail here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15833203

these pie charts alone show the level of gutting

The Infrastructure Plan: What’s In and What’s Out (it's brutal)

Biden's original plan:



What was left after they took a 2 trillion USD hatchet to it

madaboutharry

(40,200 posts)
14. I dislike people on power trips.
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:23 AM
Sep 2021

He is not a good person. He doesn’t care about doing things for the betterment of people or the country or the planet. It is about himself.

Celerity

(43,252 posts)
17. yes, it only said
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 12:57 AM
Sep 2021
laying down his demands on a wide-range of issues: health care, education, child care and taxes, according to multiple sources familiar with the talks.


far too vague

cheers

Fiendish Thingy

(15,568 posts)
20. Substance free click bait article
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 01:10 AM
Sep 2021

Even on the original CNN report, I can find no “list”, just some second hand accounts of general areas Manchin is supposedly concerned about- no direct quotes from Manchin except on fossil fuels.

Good rule of thumb:
Don’t listen to what Manchin (or anonymous leakers, who could be fossil fuel lobbyists claiming to know his priorities) says, watch what he does, which so far is nothing. Schumer will bring the completed draft of the bill to the floor for debate and amendments soon, and then Manchin will be on the hot seat to put up or shut up.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
22. Some of his demands are understandable but others are just plain stupid
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 09:36 AM
Sep 2021

the whole means testing thing inflicts pain on blue states which is just dumb.

Mad_Machine76

(24,401 posts)
23. Just watch
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 10:13 AM
Sep 2021

We don't do anything, things (probably) get worse, and then a few years down the line, after Manchin is out of office and writing his memoirs (if he's still alive and there are other people still alive to care about what he has to say), he will be writing his mea culpas and going on talk shows talking about how he's tearfully regretful about not only NOT doing something but that he STOOD IN THE WAY OF other people doing something when he had the chance to be helpful. And the news media, of course, will fawn over his courage to admit that he was wrong- when the damage has already been done.

I wish this all wasn't making me so damned cynical.

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