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malaise

(268,980 posts)
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 03:35 PM Sep 2021

Breaking: Department of Labor will announce that employees at all businesses with more than 100

workers must either have been vaccinated or are tested once weekly.
This is on top of all Federal workers being required to be vaccinated.

Lots of fines coming for masks on flights as well.

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Breaking: Department of Labor will announce that employees at all businesses with more than 100 (Original Post) malaise Sep 2021 OP
Finally. boston bean Sep 2021 #1
Finally is right, but why 100? That's a huge number where it's still OPTIONAL. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #20
It covers about 60% of employees. . boston bean Sep 2021 #23
chipping away at the edges. Require it for everyone it's FDA-approved for. No vaccine, no service. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #40
Probably thinking anything smaller would be negatively impacted by the work involved Amishman Sep 2021 #29
Give employees two hours of leave to get a damn shot. It's not hard. They don't WANT to. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #38
I'm not talking about that, I'm talking administration Amishman Sep 2021 #54
Sorry for not understanding your intent. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #61
All good, most people wouldn't immediately think of the bureaucracy Amishman Sep 2021 #68
Sure. And that is the challenge; to craft regs that are easily read and incorporated. Rare. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #69
That's where the most danger is. James48 Sep 2021 #39
that does seem logical, but at this point needs to be required for everyone with public interaction. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #41
I'd go one step further, masks for everyone everywhere KS Toronado Sep 2021 #43
absolutely Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #51
Here come the lawsuits. I hope the DoL attys made this thing bulletproof. NightWatcher Sep 2021 #2
No more coddling anti-vaxxers. They need to be ostracized and penalized wherever possible. dalton99a Sep 2021 #3
They need to be treated like drunk drivers, or random shooters The Mouth Sep 2021 #28
Jail them all fescuerescue Sep 2021 #64
For their own protection, as well The Mouth Sep 2021 #65
K & R . . . Lovie777 Sep 2021 #4
I hope we can make this stick. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #5
Just federal contractors? Or all large businesses? unblock Sep 2021 #6
All large businesses as well n/t malaise Sep 2021 #7
The contractor mandate doesn't dsc Sep 2021 #14
FUCK YEAH!!! The large multi-national I work for has been dragging their bullwinkle428 Sep 2021 #8
Also all health care facilities to be fully vaxxed or lose Tomconroy Sep 2021 #9
Excellent malaise Sep 2021 #10
In all, expected to apply to 100 million. Tomconroy Sep 2021 #11
As well as medicare and medicaid recipients Steelrolled Sep 2021 #31
"People have a right to know if their health care providers are vaccinated." Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #57
So this overules any union contracts ? MichMan Sep 2021 #12
💥 underpants Sep 2021 #13
This is good! Also, mandate vaccinations for all students eligible to get vaccinated now liberal_mama Sep 2021 #15
Thank you, Nanny State Pinback Sep 2021 #16
Thank Goodness Maggiemayhem Sep 2021 #17
waiting ! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #18
They will still make you pay. They are insurance companies after all. You will pay. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #21
But NOT for the vaccine. It's free. littlemissmartypants Sep 2021 #22
insurance companies were waiving most covid-related costs. Not anymore. Not sure about break-through Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #36
MAGAT heads will explode, the screaming will be 24/7 louis-t Sep 2021 #19
Will it be enforced? By who, I wonder rurallib Sep 2021 #24
There will be much gnashing of teeth Moebym Sep 2021 #25
How about if they say that any businesses Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #26
Need a bit more than fines on flights, - for the 'well-offs' empedocles Sep 2021 #27
I've already been vaccinated but.... cannabis_flower Sep 2021 #30
Ayup! boston bean Sep 2021 #33
Absolutely this!! Lunabell Sep 2021 #32
about time. Javaman Sep 2021 #34
Sooo good to hear Farmer-Rick Sep 2021 #35
eggscllent. AllaN01Bear Sep 2021 #37
It's not mandated leftinalabama Sep 2021 #42
Whoa, that is a big deal PatSeg Sep 2021 #44
They Can Consider Themselves "Owned" ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #56
Yes, I was thinking the same thing PatSeg Sep 2021 #58
Except... ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #59
Yes, I suppose for quite a few PatSeg Sep 2021 #70
they can all remember well that it was BIDEN that owned them! fescuerescue Sep 2021 #63
It is my opinion that this 100 employee level is too low. It should be everyone! Paper Roses Sep 2021 #45
Kicking and Screaming! Smackdown2019 Sep 2021 #46
Ha malaise Sep 2021 #48
Kicking and Screaming! Smackdown2019 Sep 2021 #47
Sounds like asking DOL to give paid time off to vax leftstreet Sep 2021 #49
That too malaise Sep 2021 #53
Excellent leftstreet Sep 2021 #55
I wonder if that will apply to churches? KatyaR Sep 2021 #50
This is fantastic!! AllyCat Sep 2021 #52
Just walk into any CVS or Walgreens. Texaswitchy Sep 2021 #60
Glad to see Biden put the hammer down on these people. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #62
Rachel is doing a fabulous historical overview malaise Sep 2021 #66
It's about time MustLoveBeagles Sep 2021 #67
Fine people 1000.00 if they are not wearing a mask in public buildings Bluethroughu Sep 2021 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author many a good man Sep 2021 #72

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
29. Probably thinking anything smaller would be negatively impacted by the work involved
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 05:17 PM
Sep 2021

Company X should have 20 employees, but only has 17 right now due to the labor crunch. They can't spare the time and resources to come up with a formal program to cover the requirement without a significant negative impact.

Have to consider likely avenues the Pubs will take to try and overturn. Burden on small businesses is a common and obvious one, because there could be a nugget of truth to it

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
54. I'm not talking about that, I'm talking administration
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 06:34 PM
Sep 2021

Since this is a required program with penalties, businesses will have to be very careful with what information they collect, how they verify authenticity, how the data is kept, who has access, etc. Especially if they go the route of a testing program.

The employee getting the shot is the simple part.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
68. All good, most people wouldn't immediately think of the bureaucracy
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 09:27 PM
Sep 2021

I've made a career designing and building software in highly regulated industries, I'm painfully aware of how much overhead a seemingly simple regulation can require.

James48

(4,436 posts)
39. That's where the most danger is.
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 05:30 PM
Sep 2021

Companies with only a dozen employees have much less likelihood of infecting others, than companies witth over a hundred workers.

KS Toronado

(17,230 posts)
43. I'd go one step further, masks for everyone everywhere
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 05:45 PM
Sep 2021

Indoors (working or shopping), outside gatherings regardless of the size of the crowd.
People are welcome to take it off at home, and yes some allowance for restaurants.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
2. Here come the lawsuits. I hope the DoL attys made this thing bulletproof.
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 03:38 PM
Sep 2021

Look at Biden trying to save everyone's life.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
5. I hope we can make this stick.
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 03:39 PM
Sep 2021

Vaxing the workforce will make a big difference.

Also need to vax the kids, please.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
8. FUCK YEAH!!! The large multi-national I work for has been dragging their
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 03:47 PM
Sep 2021

feet on the idea of a mandate, so I'm thrilled to hear they won't have to make the choice for themselves.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
9. Also all health care facilities to be fully vaxxed or lose
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 03:49 PM
Sep 2021

Medicare and medicaid funding. No more Mr. Nice Guy.

liberal_mama

(1,495 posts)
15. This is good! Also, mandate vaccinations for all students eligible to get vaccinated now
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 04:27 PM
Sep 2021

They also need to approve the vaccine for under age 12 and mandate that too. This is the only way these people will do the right thing.

Maggiemayhem

(809 posts)
17. Thank Goodness
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 04:29 PM
Sep 2021

Citizens of states that have low vaccination rates and no masking or distancing protocols are very grateful. Time is of the essence as no one is fully vaccinated for six weeks unless it is J & J. No unemployment for the vaccine resistant for quitting or being fired.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
36. insurance companies were waiving most covid-related costs. Not anymore. Not sure about break-through
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 05:27 PM
Sep 2021

cases, which is not anyone's fault who's vaccinated and being careful. It's evolving to the consumer/patient. Sorry, but we have a major health care problem (#1 cause of bankruptcy in U.S.) and I am sick of insurance companies whose coverage gets worse every year. You are correct about vaccinations and why anti-vaxxers aren't is not just their problem; it's ours as well.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
19. MAGAT heads will explode, the screaming will be 24/7
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 04:37 PM
Sep 2021

and the virus will decline in a huge way within weeks.

rurallib

(62,413 posts)
24. Will it be enforced? By who, I wonder
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 04:55 PM
Sep 2021

MAGAts are already more than willing to die for the cause. I suspect they will fight tooth and nail to disobey.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
26. How about if they say that any businesses
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 05:01 PM
Sep 2021

who do not require their employees to be vaccinated must file and pay their income taxes weekly. That might get their attention.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
30. I've already been vaccinated but....
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 05:17 PM
Sep 2021

Does this apply to companies that have workers who only work from home?

Farmer-Rick

(10,169 posts)
35. Sooo good to hear
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 05:27 PM
Sep 2021

Maybe this will make anti-vaxxers think twice before they put their children's life at risk by NOT vaccinating.

leftinalabama

(30 posts)
42. It's not mandated
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 05:39 PM
Sep 2021

Biden is urging this from the Labor Dept but not mandating it if I’m hearing MSNBC correctly. Wish it was mandated for everyone.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
56. They Can Consider Themselves "Owned"
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 06:41 PM
Sep 2021

Now who's owning whom?
Let's see how committed they are to their objections when a steady income could be on the line.

PatSeg

(47,423 posts)
58. Yes, I was thinking the same thing
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 07:14 PM
Sep 2021

Giving up a paycheck to make a point is pretty extreme. Of course, these are the same people who will put their lives and their family's lives at risk for a QAnon principle, so who knows.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
59. Except...
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 07:29 PM
Sep 2021

...that type;
a) probably care about their family's wellbeing less than they claim, &
b) they would not consider that THEY would ever pay for risking their life.
But, no paycheck, when the check signer is saying "get the shot or get lost" is real, right now, and is about THEM.
There will be whining & moaning, & lawsuits, but the courts have already held employers can require medical safety measures of their employees.
A lay opinion, but I doubt lawsuits go anywhere.

PatSeg

(47,423 posts)
70. Yes, I suppose for quite a few
Fri Sep 10, 2021, 03:09 AM
Sep 2021

losing their job might be a bridge too far. I'm sure there will still be a few, however, who will never give up the fight, being they have lost all grasp of reality.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
63. they can all remember well that it was BIDEN that owned them!
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 08:26 PM
Sep 2021

And owned them hard.

That's what I'm talking about!

Paper Roses

(7,473 posts)
45. It is my opinion that this 100 employee level is too low. It should be everyone!
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 05:48 PM
Sep 2021

I live in a small town and try to shop local. I wear a mask everywhere I go. It bothers me that the level of 100 does not help any of us who may come in contact with anyone who might work for a firm with less than 100 employees whose employees do not need to get vaccinated. They shop in my town, they live in my town but who knows where they have been or to what they have been exposed.

I see a lot of my townsfolk are good about wearing masks BUT: who or what may help those of us who try to follow proper protocol and the next idiot feels he is exempt because he works for a small company. Heck with the 100, the law should require everyone... and immediately.

AllyCat

(16,187 posts)
52. This is fantastic!!
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 06:14 PM
Sep 2021

My nurse manager told me today she is stunned how many employees are getting “religious exemption” from the now mandated vaccine. This will make it so they have to get tested to the point they give up and quit or just go against their death cult leaders and get the vaccine keeping us all a bit safer in the process.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
66. Rachel is doing a fabulous historical overview
Thu Sep 9, 2021, 09:15 PM
Sep 2021

of the Federal government at work - absofuckinglutely brilliant!

Bluethroughu

(5,168 posts)
71. Fine people 1000.00 if they are not wearing a mask in public buildings
Fri Sep 10, 2021, 08:59 AM
Sep 2021

They fined people in 1918 big bucks, it helped get people to mask up.

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