Has there been discussion about the mechanism to prove to your employer that you have been

[LuckyCharms]

vaccinated?

Because one of those paper cards is not going to cut it.

Employers will need access to some kind of secured database managed by the government.

Either that, or a phone number that can be called with some kind of code system that allows employers to verify that the employee indeed has been vaccinated.

Because you know that there is a very good chance that a not insignificant portion the Covidiots will attempt to cheat.

[elleng]

1. The info backing up those paper cards should do it;

everyone will differ; for example, county where I live.

[LuckyCharms]

3. There was just a protest in my town that consisted of medical workers...

Nurses, support people, etc. who are anti-vax. There were more of these people than I would expect.

Higher ups in hospital administration have written formal letters expressing their displeasure of our Governor's mandate that all hospital workers must be vaccinated (this happened before President Biden spoke today). These anti-vax medical workers have organized on social media.

This tells me that it is possible or even likely that someone with health care administration knowledge, who is in an organized group, will know how to code fake cards with lot numbers, etc.

[underpants]

2. My employer has a form and yes requires a copy of the card

Supervisors collect them and email verification to HR. Lying on the signed document is grounds for discipline including termination.

[smirkymonkey]

4. We had to upload a copy of our card at the end of a questionnaire we had to fill out.

If you didn't feel comfortable doing that, you could just go through the health center or HR. Vaccines aren't mandatory at work, yet, but they just made masks mandatory for everyone, vaccinated or not.

However we are still hybrid-optional, so we don't really have to go in unless there is a really good reason for it or we have a meeting that would work better in person.

[madville]

5. I lost my vaccine card a couple of months ago

Had it in a folder with some other papers, took the folder to work one day and then back home and it’s not in there now, who knows where it went.

I got the J&J vaccine at tent site in a shopping center parking lot and it was staffed and run by the US Navy from a nearby base. Have no idea who to see about getting a replacement card, if it’s even possible. I do have a picture of the original card on my phone though.

Or I could just try to get another J&J shot and just say I’ve never been vaccinated, boosters will be authorized soon anyway it sounds like.

[LuckyCharms]

6. Good for you for taking the picture!

I think it would be possible to get a new physical card, but it would take some work. You would need to find a contact in the Navy who could steer you to the right department.

I'm sure many people have lost their cards. Personally, I would use the picture as proof of vaccination, and perhaps make an attempt to contact someone at the naval base to see if you can get a replacement.

[madville]

7. I'm sure a few people have run theirs through the washing machine

Left it in their pocket and washed it with the clothes.

[Ms. Toad]

8. Check with your doctor -

apparently doctors can access the records in Ohio. My doctor had my vaccination information before I volunteered it.

Otherwise find out who sponsored it. (It was staffed by the US Navy - but they likely just provided the personpower. The state health department? The Federal Government? They should have the records or a way to access them.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

22. Ohio requires Covid vaccine administrators...

... to submit the ID's of the recipients to their state database.

https://www.ohiopublichealthreporting.info/Enrollment/FileSystem/HL7/Public_Instructions_to_access_ImpactSIIS_record.pdf

COVID-19 vaccine providers in Ohio are required to report patient information into the ImpactSIIS system when the COVID-19 vaccine is administered. If you have received the COVID-19 vaccine in Ohio, your information should be in the system.

And according to a USA Today article that I read months ago, which was about the idea of future vaccine passports and how to verify them, EVERY state has been doing the same except for New Hampshire. (What they do instead, I don't know.) And some large cities like NYC record the vaccine information locally rather than at the state-level too.

[Ms. Toad]

23. Thanks!

I hadn't looked beyond my own experience.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

24. No problem!

You've been one of the most knowledgeable about Covid on DU, and I'm honored if I expanded your knowledge even slightly.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

25. And it appears that New Hampshire followed suit too.

They did it in April, which I know was later than the USA Today article that I read months ago:
https://www.dartmouth-hitchcock.org/stories/article/new-hampshire-launches-immunization-registry-0

New Hampshire Launches Immunization Registry

The State of New Hampshire now has a statewide electronic immunization registry. On April 15, New Hampshire joined the other U.S. states with similar registries in operation.

So that should be all 50 states now.

NYC and some other places might still be recording them locally.

[cadoman]

9. great question and yes it will start out rough

At first the validation will be a complete joke and Covidiots will be mocking us. But the important thing at this stage is not accuracy, it is compliance. We will begin to get people accustomed to the mandate and the fact that only the people vaccinated and complying are part of this new future. If Covidiots create fake passports to satisfy the mandate, we win this phase.

As more and more private companies choose to value the safety of their customers, the un-vaccinated will increasingly be shut out from normal life. They will be regarded like the Amish or other fringe groups. Here, the efficacy of mandate validation begins to tighten as the Covidiots have lost leverage.

Eventually carrying your mandate passport becomes fundamental to your life. You'll put on your pants, brush your teeth, pick up your passport (probably some sort of wireless body mod, eventually) and go out the door.

As corporations partner with the government to fight fascism, the passport will be integrated into improving the safety of all aspects of our lives. For instance, the passport may block your car from starting up if you forgot to get your latest booster shot, or you were found to have associated with a fascist group.

So yeah, at first it will be a little bit silly, and the middle phases will even be a bit creepy, but ultimately the mandate will greatly improve our lives and resolve the primary near-term issue of the Covidiots killing us with their freedumb.

[ALBliberal]

12. Thank you for that well thought out reply.

[forthemiddle]

15. If I am the only one that finds your vision of the future scary

I may be on the wrong board.
I will assume that this is a satirical post, but if not, watch out Brave New World.
"probably some sort of wireless body mod" WOW!
But somewhere deep in my being, I fear you may be right of what some will find acceptable.

[Irish_Dem]

16. The point is that if we cannot get this pandemic under control, draconian measures may be required.

We cannot remain indefinitely in a situation where there are no hospital beds.
And medical personnel cannot keep functioning in crisis mode year after year.

Something has to give.

[cadoman]

18. it's a bit scary but yes draconian measures are necessary to end COVID

If we had a Democrat in office to begin with and had taken masking more seriously we would never be in this situation. Then Trump slow-walked the vaccine by not ordering enough and now hospitals are literally overflowing with unvaccinated.

Every day the mandate is delayed the threshold for mandatory vaccination goes UP. The last number Fauci mentioned I believe was 92%, and we are nowhere near that.

We'll lose a bit of freedumb in the sense that we lost freedumb with seat belt laws and polio vaccinations and Obamacare. But we'll all be safer and happier in the long run with our best federal agencies, scientists, and corporations coordinating public health through a universal passport mandate.

[Evan1980]

19. "As corporations partner with the government to fight fascism"

The irony of this comment is breathtaking. Corporations partnering with government is the literal definition of fascism. Especially when they partner to impose what you admit are draconian measures.

[The Magistrate]

20. Damn, Sir, That's a Cute Way To Start

Can't wait for your next little pearl....

[cadoman]

31. corporations partnering with the government are necessary to achieve the mandate

Are you against the mandate? You'd better learn to embrace these partnerships because they will be necessary to achieve it.

Legally the Federal government cannot mandate the vaccine. The current Supreme Court simply won't accept it. (Seat expansion is an option though.)

The current plan is to work through legal incentives to essentially make it impossible for a company not to mandate the vaccine. Companies that don't mandate will face higher taxes, be blocked from contracts, face additional regulation, get surprise visits from inspectors, etc. The idea is to drive them out of business if they do not comply.

This will be paired with campaigns coordinated with social media companies to fight disinformation and fake news from Russia and far right groups. The government will infuse billions in these companies by buying airtime for educating on the benefits of vaccination and how it allows a person to be a complete part of society, just as they were before COVID.

So yes, it will be a partnership. We need the corporations for the tasks the Federal government cannot legally perform in the first phase.

[ShazzieB]

21. That is not accurate.

"Corporations partnering with government" is NOT the definition of fascism, literal or otherwise.

Here are a few definitions of the word "fascism" that I just pulled up on a quick search:

1. Merriam-Webster: a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism

2. Dictionary.com: a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism. https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fascism

3. Collins Dictionary: Fascism is a set of right-wing political beliefs that includes strong control of society and the economy by the state, a powerful role for the armed forces, and the stopping of political opposition.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/fascism

These are just a few examples, but I didn't find a single instance of corporations even being mention in a definition of fascism. For a more detailed discussion of what fascism is, see any of these sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism
https://www.britannica.com/topic/fascism
https://www.livescience.com/57622-fascism.html

Fascism is admittedly a more complex topic that most people realize, but it does have a specific meaning, and corporations partnering with the government AINT it.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

28. "For instance, the passport may block your car from starting up ..."

For instance, the passport may block your car from starting up if you forgot to get your latest booster shot, or you were found to have associated with a fascist group.

What a swell idea.

Not.

I ran this yesterday. I'll run this every day if I have to. Maybe someday it will sink in.



Source: https://blog.library.gsu.edu/2012/03/23/secularists-descend-upon-d-c-for-reason-rally/

{edited to add}

Fri Jan 25, 2019: Johns Hopkins to buy Newseum building in D.C. as journalism museum plans to relocate

[cadoman]

30. my comment is not even speculative, look up "ADVANCED IMPAIRED DRIVING TECHNOLOGY"

Corporations, such as car manufacturers, are free to manufacturer cars with safety features. Car manufacturers may even be required to do so by NHTSA (this battle has already been fought in courts). There are already laws being written and debated that do this.

You can hold up the constitution all you want but all it takes is a court to interpret differently than you do.

We have a vaccine mandate and passport on the way (THANKFULLY). It will be required of everyone and the full force of law will be brought to bear to enforce both. Supreme Court has already debated this and ruled on the side of mandates.

Why are you expressing anti-vaccine and anti-safety sentiment?

[Sympthsical]

10. California has an online database

It's called a SMART Health Card. You can access it, and it gives you a QR code. It also includes the dates you were vaccinated and the vaccine type.

https://myvaccinerecord.cdph.ca.gov/

I have a copy of it on my phone.

[Hugin]

11. The threat of immediate dismissal and fraud charges should be enough to enforce the 'honor'...

system.

Especially, for Govt Employees.

Anyone who tries defraud the system will do so with their own gonads firmly in hand.

[Phoenix61]

13. The simplest way would be to have an on site

vaccination day. They get the shot and HR makes a copy of their card at the same time.

[fescuerescue]

27. For traditional companies

But many have folks all over the place and working at home.

To get everyone together would be a minor super-spreader event.

[MissB]

14. My employer built a smart sheet to enter the data and upload a pdf or jpg of the card.

I had to enter the data on the card- type (moderna, Pfizer or J&J) date for each and lot number for each as well as the clinic location. Then I had to upload an image of the front of the card.

The request came with a deadline and a penalty of loss of employment.

The union is still bargaining around the requirement. I’ve said my piece to them. I’m a strong union supporter but I’m disappointed that they decided they needed to bargain this. I didn’t wait for the bargaining to finish up. I just uploaded the info and moved on.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

29. Bargaining around a mandate you like gives your union the experience to bargain around a mandate

you don't like. And employer mandates are great opportunities for unions to bargain back things they may have lost in the last round.

[luv2fly]

17. They can just scan our chips

Easy peasy.

[fescuerescue]

26. That's how my employer does it

They look at the card and the record you as vaccinated.

They don't keep a copy.