Do you think there will be any violence at September 18th rally?

[kentuck]

Is Trump going to be there?

If not, I would not expect a similar-sized crowd as was at January 6th insurrection.

Also, they understand that if there is violence, it could reflect badly on those that are present defendants from the last rally. It is to their advantage to pretend to be "peaceful".

Is the Congress over-reacting by putting the security fence back up? Probably so. But it is a cautionary measure. (They can always say they were prepared and that is why the rally did not turn violent)

All in all, I would not expect a large crowd and I would not expect any violence.

But, it is best to be prepared.

Just my opinion.

[bottomofthehill]

1. There is an enormous amount of planning going into this event

But I tend to agree with you on everything but the fence. There is no reason not to put it up with even the hint of violence, and with out the Former President ordering the attack, I too don’t think there will be violence.
The event is on a Saturday, the House and senate office buildings are closed, the UsCP and other law enforcement will be able to concentrate their manpower on the potential threat.

[kentuck]

2. I do not expect the incitement that was at the last "rally".

It is also not in Trump's interest to have it turn violent.

Republicans narrative is that they are peaceful, law-abiding citizens.

[lagomorph777]

5. Republican narrative is that they are violent and everybody should kowtow to them.

I have seen none of them pretending to be peaceful or law abiding.

[Elessar Zappa]

3. Maybe some violent incidents

but I seriously doubt it will be anything like Jan. 6th. If they do decide to commit sedition again, the Capitol cops should respond with significant force, even lethal if necessary.

[lagomorph777]

7. A wall of automatic weapons at the ready.

No dicking around this time.

[TxGuitar]

29. Yes treat them like they treated BLM & Occupy

[The Magistrate]

4. We Can Only Hope, Sir

Kettle 'em, gas 'em, club 'em like a pack of baby seals, zip-tie 'em tight, lose the paperwork for a couple of days, let's see this crap done right for once....

[pidge]

19. Yikes.

[634-5789]

6. Any Nazi , MAGAt, tRumper that shows up...

will be videoed and I am positive the FBI will be matching pictures to the Jan 6 insurrectionists files they have. Doubtful there will be much of a crowd, and even more doubtful that you'll see the Orange Moron.

[lagomorph777]

8. Yup - license plate trackers too.

[brush]

9. I think it'll be a dud. Not many are going to want to risk...

arrest for a failed, one-term loser president. The excitement of the stop-the-steal movement has faded as it's nine months into the new administration and most sentient beings realize by now trump is not going to be re-instated.

And I also realize myself that I might be going too far by referring to most republicans as being sentient beings.

[Effete Snob]

10. Only if they think they can get away with it

Depends on who shows up, how many, and what they feel emboldened to do by their number and enthusiasm.

[MineralMan]

11. My guess is that the turnout will be underwhelming.

We'll see, I suppose, but I doubt they'll need hundreds of porta-potties.

[Greybnk48]

12. I hope the Capitol police have their zip-tie cuffs ready,

some bear spray of their own, and shoot to kill if need be.

[GoCubsGo]

24. As Malcolm Nance pointed out, they're pissed off.

They lost several of their own to these ratbastards on 1/6, who left a bunch more of them injured physically and/or psychologically. They're not about to let it happen again, especially with new management backing them up. I have no doubt they'll shoot to kill if these assholes force them into it.

[Farmer-Rick]

13. There will be violence.

Have you seen these Proud Boys, White Supremacists and Evangelical white nationalist? Everything they do involves some amount of violence. Some of it is subtle like coughing and burning masks. Some of it is in your face like bringing weapons and starting fights.

Even here in the heart of MAGA country they had a rally with no opposition and they turned over trash cans, threw bottles at passing cars and started small fires. Of course the corporate media didn't report it because they didn't want to get on their bad side. But I stumbled onto it when I went downtown to get some paperwork at the courthouse.

Luckily, I'm an old man and they just assumed I supported their racist, bigoted agenda and let me into the courthouse. They were protesting a new temporary mask mandate. I stayed in the courthouse until they moved down to the center of town.

Yeah I fully expect violence of some kind.

OK, so I was wrong about what they were protesting. I fixed it..... sometimes it's hard to figure what they are angry about.

[PortTack]

15. the proud boys already announced they will not be there

[Farmer-Rick]

17. Well, that is good.

Maybe they will actually not show up. We can hope.

[Hortensis]

14. "Any"? Perhaps. It won't be a repeat for sure. Those who assisted

from inside (tRump's) government wouldn't dare even if this offered more potential for them. Whatever plotting they're up to is for another time and opportunity, perhaps 2024. Though they need these subversive and DVE groups strong and heated up.

The idiot "patriots" who came and took selfies and pooped on the floors mostly won't be there. And most of the leaders of the more serious groups likely know the FBI agents assigned to warn them off by their first names now.

We still haven't arrested the people who set the bombs for 1/6.

There's very real danger from potential lone actors who are encouraged and inspired by DVE groups but remain unidentified until they act.

For the most part, I suspect, reflecting badly on the defendants would be good for these groups. The less they're taken seriously, the less they matter. And militia groups like Proud Boys despise tRump's "idiot patriots" and beyond doubt will be happy to use them up.

We're seeing an eagerness to form mobs in the current civil unrest; the loose cannons acting out in these airplane and store incidents are only indicators of future possible larger events. The angry right lacks a leader right now, but that may change. And we can't allow hoodlums in the Capitol again. So imo fences should go up. Then be taken down. And repeat as indicated until we're past this.

[walkingman]

16. No - they are all just a bunch of cowards and undereducated people.

[GemDigger]

21. Yes and no.

They are all cowards (they only wear masks to cover their faces when carrying their weapons and always carry weapons at protests because they are cowards) but they are not all undereducated (there were all kinds of professional people there).

[walkingman]

25. Then they must have all gone to Liberty University. Otherwise how could someone

who has just average common sense believe all of these conspiracy theories, etc. If they are truly educated then our education system has failed us.

[GemDigger]

26. More like fox tv and AM radio. nt

[relayerbob]

18. I'll be surprised if more than a couple of hundred people even show up

My hopes is that it is all an elaborate sting by the FBI. Bwahaha

[AngryOldDem]

20. Maybe isolated.

I’m taking on faith most people’s opinion that this is not necessarily an organized and well-run operation anymore. Police presence will be much better organized now. But we just can’t assume. The fencing is a prudent move, IMO.

But if shit does go down, it needs to be handled quickly, firmly, and decisively.

EDIT: I hope the media uses their heads with this — we don’t need modern-day yellow journalists amping up the crowd by nonstop coverage. Treat it like any other demonstration.

[GemDigger]

22. A couple hundred, maybe.

But I doubt much more than that. Remember those that are still locked up crying that their leader (tfg) not only incited them to be there and be tough but once in jail their leader forgotaboutem.

[Hotler]

23. Remember when Bush/Cheney rolled out free speech zones blocks away

from everything and the repugs thought that was a great thing. I wonder how they would like it.

[Vinca]

27. The problem is you don't know what to expect from this bunch of crazies. They might

have a perfectly peaceful demonstration or they might come armed to the teeth. I hope the FBI has some informants and has been able to watch their communications. The fencing isn't an over-reaction at all, IMO. If it's the worst case scenario not having it would be deadly.

[jmowreader]

28. Of course there will be violence

I don’t think there will be much, but there will be some. However, THIS time there will be arrests. Trump doesn’t have the power to defang the Metropolitan Police, Capitol Police and National Guard like he did on 1/6 so those agencies will be there with paddy wagons, tasers, CS gas, pepper spray, M240 machine guns, mortars and Apaches to solve the problem before it gets out of hand.