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On how these are happening?
Seems everone I know knows people with breakthrough infections, including here!
Scary!
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)but since reading Pfizer had significantly less of the stuff and out of me with Moderna, oldest with J&J and youngest with a Pfizer, he is the one that had a break through. But then he is also in Texas and would not have known he had it if not for the fact a friend he was staying with for four days hadn't tested positive so he would not have known to test with his very very light symptoms.
cilla4progress
(24,589 posts)If masking is equal to or greater than the vacc?
Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)So vaccine + masking is extremely effective.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Moderna's study showed a 3rd dose, given 6 months after the initial 2 doses, significantly increased immunity, even higher than the original series, across all age groups, notably in those over 65.
As far as breakthroughs its too soon to know anything certain, they are still studying it, a range of factors in individuals and shot timing come into play.
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)maxsolomon
(32,992 posts)The vaccines reduce the likelihood of infection, and help your body fight it off. It's not an impenetrable shield - and it was never sold as such.
Maybe this is what you mean? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/07/briefing/risk-breakthrough-infections-delta.html
The data on breakthroughs is showing the odds are about 1 in 5,000 of infection, or 1 in 10,000 if you live somewhere without a major outbreak and hordes of antivax blockheads.
sinkingfeeling
(51,281 posts)Ms. Toad
(33,915 posts)In the last 3 weeks I've encountered 3 breakthrough cases (with close enough encounters to be informed by contact tracers).
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Amazing how many here have in-laws, cousins, hairdressers sisters, nephews, nieces all with breakthroughs!
LizBeth
(9,946 posts)Today I was told by a neighbor a woman she treated as a therapist died yesterday at 56 being vaccinated while having MS and in a wheelchair and immune compromised, but I guess that would fall under your "other". My friend will be giving the tribute to those that mourn because probably the uncarring unvacc'ed was unconcerned about the load she received from them.
I am not sure what your point is though.
susanr516
(1,425 posts)madville
(7,397 posts)Four with Pfizer and one with the J&J vaccine. They were all mild cases, worst anyone reported was an allergy-like sniffle and light cough. All said it wasn't a big deal.
cally
(21,589 posts)Of those vaccinated. I heard that from Nurse Practitioner when I sent an email asking.
mackdaddy
(1,520 posts)As i understand it Any detectable infection is counted as a "breakthrough".
So you can have the virus in your air passages (and be contagious), but you body's immune system (built up by the vaccine) keeps it at bay in your body. So most of these breakthrough infections, the person has no symptoms to nothing more than a mild cold.
The people with more severe actual Sickness are mostly in a situation that they have a compromised immune system in general of otherwise in not good health. These are also the group that they are targeting for the third dose booster shot.
The people in the hospital with serious cases are still 20 to 1 unvaccinated to vaccinated.
My point is not just people having breakthrough infections, but you have to look at the actual resulting level of sickness in these breakthrough cases.
Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)Had EXTENSIVE exposure to unvaccinated individuals. Sometimes this was because they had a child or children at home who could not vaccinate or refused vaccination. Sometimes it was a spouse who refused vaccination. In one instance it was a vaccinated nurse who went to a music festival and disregarded ALL caution, several hours per day for multiple days.
If you dive into the soup, expect to get wet.
It's a vaccine, not a force field.
cilla4progress
(24,589 posts)experienced one here!
So, if I'm vaccinated and mask while shopping or indoors, or in crowded outdoor spaces, my chances are good to remain healthy?
It's starting to seem so random!
Thank you!!
Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)ventilation, as long as you are wearing an adequate and well-fitting mask I think your chances of contracting the virus are almost nil. I would certainly do my best to stay out of crowded situations and maintain social distance.
Delta is a sumabich. I have NO desire to push that envelope!
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)Someone with Delta will just blast you with virus. This is why it is more contagious and why you get a breakthrough. Viral load has been a key factor all along and Delta delivers a heavy payload. So if exposed you are likely to have a bunch that must be fought off. The immune response can only do so much with initial exposure- it has to ramp up to the level of virus.
Its a thick, sticky soup some people are diving into.
Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)have seen a REMARKABLY different constellation of symptoms and consequences since Delta became ascendant.
MoonlitKnight
(1,584 posts)I was just trying to add to what you were saying. Apologies if my comments came across otherwise.
Hugin
(32,784 posts)There have been two and possibly three breakthroughs in my extended family.
Fortunately, they all have recovered without hospitalization. One (the worst) also had an antibody infusion. Which took about 15 days to turn things around.
The one thing about the odds that nobody seems to get is that those are the risks PER EXPOSURE. So, if you're around 5,000 unvaxxed positive COVID cases. Hell, yes, you're going to get it if you rely on the vaccination alone. By masking up and distancing you reduce your exposure risk considerably.
hamsterjill
(15,214 posts)It makes sense, and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge and experience.
Strelnikov_
(7,772 posts)Classic.
cally
(21,589 posts)Probably from her vaccinated roommate who got it from having an outside dinner with another vaccinated friend. They did spend some time indoors, though. All three were fully vaccinated.
My daughter was very, very ill. I suspect medical people would call it mild or moderate but she barely left her bed for three weeks. Lost taste and smell, was very week, dizzy, and had many sleepless nights with brain fog.
Xolodno
(6,341 posts)We got the Moderna vaccine, but got a really bad case of sniffles after a funeral. My brother who wasn't vaccinated yet (he had Guillen Barre Syndrome when he was a kid, just got the green light to get vaccinated) came down with a bad case of the flu.
He did get tested and it came back negative, but thinks he should get one just to be sure.
womanofthehills
(8,584 posts)However, one group of people who shouldn't get the vaccine, are those who suffer from Guillain-Barre syndrome, a "reaction, which is a rare neurological reaction to either influenza or the vaccine for influenza," he explained. "We recommend that those people do not get vaccinated because you might trigger a similar, serious response."
Xolodno
(6,341 posts)He had it as a kid and wasn't too severe. However, a lot of elderly people get it as well, so they are way more vulnerable.
And the data says its extremely unlikely you will get a recurrence from an MRNA shot (all the more reason to go down that route for vaccines). Doctors only told him recently he could get the jab (he'll get the second one next month) as the data now shows the benefits of the MRNA shots out weigh the risks of not getting the shot.
He had to be extremely careful when the pandemic hit and was in regular contact with his doctor about when there was enough data to suggest it would be safe for him to take the vaccine. When they gave the green light, told him no J&J, get the Phizer or Moderna and will let him know if its safe for a booster later (interestingly, my cardiologist isn't a fan of the J&J either).
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamaneurology/fullarticle/2783708
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/guillain-barre-syndrome-and-covid-vaccine/
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helpisontheway
(5,004 posts)spinbaby
(15,073 posts)It was pretty mild. More to the point, though, is that none of the vaccinated people she was with just before she became symptomatic ever returned a positive covid test. And that includes her husband.