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The genius of the healthcare worker vaccine requirement (Original Post) boston bean Sep 2021 OP
This! mcar Sep 2021 #1
Some doctors' offices don't. Nt spooky3 Sep 2021 #2
Cosmetic plastic surgeons Backseat Driver Sep 2021 #5
The very wealthy can buy their way out of just about ANYTHING mucifer Sep 2021 #8
Some facilities take only private party. In home care. uppityperson Sep 2021 #3
What's the final date by which this has to happen or peeps start getting fired? Volaris Sep 2021 #4
Health care workers who quit over this wnylib Sep 2021 #14
I know -- it's brilliant Hekate Sep 2021 #6
I think it's the only way he can wnylib Sep 2021 #17
Some private hospitals don't take Medicare. Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #7
Medicare does not cover eye glasses in an Optometrist's office RicROC Sep 2021 #11
You are correct. Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #15
They also cover one pair of glasses after wnylib Sep 2021 #18
Yes, my wife just recently got her free pair Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #19
True. Medicare only covers the bare minimum. wnylib Sep 2021 #21
There is a huge loophole - unvaxxed visiting medical professionals who come to senior facilities. Liberty Belle Sep 2021 #9
I would guess, if the unvaxxed therapist or nurse's employer is reimbursed by Medicare or Medicaid dflprincess Sep 2021 #13
Medicare pays for medically necessary physical therapy. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #22
Our son's business takes him to various GA senior facilities, and Hortensis Sep 2021 #23
Not really genius - just one of the unquestionably constitutional ways for implementing a mandate Ms. Toad Sep 2021 #10
A lot of dentists don't take Medicaid dflprincess Sep 2021 #12
Several dentists in my area. 2naSalit Sep 2021 #16
The Medicare/Medicaid Rule Will Pull In the Vast Majority of Healthcare Providers Indykatie Sep 2021 #20

mcar

(42,329 posts)
1. This!
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 06:53 PM
Sep 2021

I worked in healthcare administration for 10 years. Healthcare in this country doesn't exist without Medicare or Medicaid.

Backseat Driver

(4,392 posts)
5. Cosmetic plastic surgeons
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 07:15 PM
Sep 2021

few private insurers cover cosmetic procedures without medical necessity; many have cash-only fee schedules; likewise, those docs' anesthetists, seniors would need to be super-healthy for surgical recommendation.

Volaris

(10,270 posts)
4. What's the final date by which this has to happen or peeps start getting fired?
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 07:11 PM
Sep 2021

Oh, and GOOD...by a large margin, this means nursing homes nationwide.

Means there will probably be a glut of job openings in the next 60 days; means vaxxed labor supply can demand an increase in wages (and likley get it).

wnylib

(21,450 posts)
14. Health care workers who quit over this
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 09:38 PM
Sep 2021

will have a hard time getting another job. They will have to find an employer who does not take medicaid or medicare, or else give up theur education and training to work in a different field.

wnylib

(21,450 posts)
17. I think it's the only way he can
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 09:44 PM
Sep 2021

establish a vax mandate legally. As part of the federal government, he is on good ground in setting a mandate for federal fund recipients. But his authority for vax mandates beyond that is doubtful.

Mr.Bill

(24,286 posts)
7. Some private hospitals don't take Medicare.
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 07:37 PM
Sep 2021

Others would be Dentists and optometric facilities, since Medicare doesn't cover those things.

But the OP makes a good point about most major health care facilities. And most of them couldn't keep the lights burning without Medicare, not to mention doctor's offices.

RicROC

(1,204 posts)
11. Medicare does not cover eye glasses in an Optometrist's office
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 09:27 PM
Sep 2021

but they do cover professional fees in an eye exam when there is a medical diagnosis

Mr.Bill

(24,286 posts)
15. You are correct.
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 09:39 PM
Sep 2021

They will cover exams in an opthamologist office. Also eye surgery such as cataracts.

wnylib

(21,450 posts)
18. They also cover one pair of glasses after
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 09:49 PM
Sep 2021

cataract surgery.

I don't know about other states, but in NY, Medicaid covers eye exams and glasses. Also covers dental.

Mr.Bill

(24,286 posts)
19. Yes, my wife just recently got her free pair
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 10:19 PM
Sep 2021

after cataract surgery. But with all the extras, like progressive lenses, variable tinted lenses and some decent frames those free glasses cost $285. Would have been the same with most other insurance, though.

Liberty Belle

(9,535 posts)
9. There is a huge loophole - unvaxxed visiting medical professionals who come to senior facilities.
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 08:18 PM
Sep 2021

For instance, Mom's senior care facility allows unvaxxed paid sitter services for folks who are high fall risk such as a patient with dementia who has fallen many times.

There are unvaxxed physical therapists, hospice nurses, etc; not sure if any of these will be covered by the new rule but up until now, many of these folks were unvaxxed including a hospice nurse who brought COVID into the facility, though all staff IS vaccinated and visitors must be vaxxed or visit outside and show recent negative COVID test. Double standard for sure.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
13. I would guess, if the unvaxxed therapist or nurse's employer is reimbursed by Medicare or Medicaid
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 09:36 PM
Sep 2021

the rule would apply. At lease I hope it would.

My niece works as a home hospice aid (sometimes the home she visits is a care facility) and her employer is requiring vaccination for both Covid & influenza. Though, it is one of the larger healthcare groups in the are & made these mandatory before the new rules.

Irish_Dem

(47,051 posts)
22. Medicare pays for medically necessary physical therapy.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 08:45 AM
Sep 2021

So most PT clinics and workers who do home visits would have received federal funds.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Our son's business takes him to various GA senior facilities, and
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 11:48 AM
Sep 2021

he's required to be vaccinated. At least in February he was (and was), but this is GA...

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
10. Not really genius - just one of the unquestionably constitutional ways for implementing a mandate
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 08:40 PM
Sep 2021

Tie it to the receipt of federal money. You want the money? - you have to comply.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
12. A lot of dentists don't take Medicaid
Sun Sep 12, 2021, 09:30 PM
Sep 2021

In many areas what Medicaid remburses dentists barely cover their costs.

Indykatie

(3,696 posts)
20. The Medicare/Medicaid Rule Will Pull In the Vast Majority of Healthcare Providers
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 12:11 AM
Sep 2021

Let's not let allow the perfect be the enemy of the good as they say. NO rule would capture 100% of everyone but al least all traditional hospital systems and the vast majority of professional medical providers will be covered. This is a BFD and will have a major impact on controlling COVID.

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