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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsData shows Covid booster shots are 'not appropriate' at this time, U.S. and international scientists
"An expert review of scientific evidence to date has concluded that Covid-19 vaccine booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of leading U.S. and international scientists said Monday in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet.
The conclusion by scientists, including two senior Food and Drug Administration officials and the WHO, came as studies continue to show the authorized Covid vaccines in the U.S. remain highly effective against severe disease and hospitalization caused by the fast-spreading delta variant.
While Covid vaccine effectiveness against mild disease may wane over time, protection against severe disease may persist, the scientists said. Thats because the bodys immune system is complex, they said, and has other defenses besides antibodies that may protect someone from getting seriously sick.
Current evidence does not, therefore, appear to show a need for boosting in the general population, in which efficacy against severe disease remains high, the scientists wrote, adding the wide distribution of boosters is not appropriate at this stage in the pandemic.
An expert review of scientific evidence to date has concluded that Covid-19 vaccine booster shots are not needed at this time for the general public, a group of leading U.S. and international scientists said Monday in the peer-reviewed journal The Lancet.
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They said there are risks to distributing boosters too soon, including the potential for side effects such as a rare heart inflammation condition known as myocarditis, which is more common after the second dose of mRNA vaccines.
If unnecessary boosting causes significant adverse reactions, there could be implications for vaccine acceptance that go beyond COVID-19 vaccines, they wrote.
The comments come a week before the Biden administration says it plans to begin offering Covid vaccine booster shots to the general public. An FDA advisory group is meeting Friday to discuss the data to support the wide use of boosters.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/13/covid-booster-shots-data-shows-third-shots-not-appropriate-at-this-time-scientists-conclude.html
In the early days of the pandemic both WHO and the CDC did not perform admirably in the early stage of the vaccine. They responded too slowly. The WHO believed China that the virus was nothing to be concerned about. In fact if you recall initially WHO was hesitant to even call the SARS co V2 a
The WHO screwed up just like the US screwed up. The WHO responded slowly, just like the US responded slowly. The WHO believed China, just like President Trump believed China.)
Using the word pandemic now does not fit the facts but it may certainly cause fear, said Tedros. Asked about the WHOs reluctance to call a pandemic, WHO spokesperson Tarik Jasarevic said it is important to focus on actions and not on words.
True but words matter. Reluctance to tell the public the truth for fear of causing panic has plagued responses to other disease emergencies, notably BSE in Britain. Risk communication experts warn that not telling the public that containment will not prevent a pandemic but might still slow it risks greater shock over what comes next."
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2235342-covid-19-why-wont-the-who-officially-declare-a-coronavirus-pandemic/
The mixed messages, not only within the scientific community, but from social media and conspiracy nuts I think indicate this will be with us for a long time
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Israel is scheduled to present data on this to US health officials on 9/17. Data which, from what I've read, strongly favors boosters beginning at 5 months post full vax.
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Israel has had great success with boosters.
I'm sure eager to get a booster.
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Who knows? I'm going to listen to my GP.
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)listen to your doctor, but I think these mixed messages are going to prevent us from getting control of this for a long time
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)This area is so medically underserved, it's beyond words.
Great plan to listen to your doc!
I think I read somewhere that doctors can rec boosters for people.
Pls let us know what your doc says!
I have to wonder if they are saying this, perhaps, to reserve vaxes for kids? Who knows...
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)(much younger than me) was getting one. But everyone should consult there own doctor if they can.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)So, I wonder if it's as simple as making an appt & showing up for 3rd shot then?
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)The Pfizer booster is expected to be available for everyone very soon. The moderna and Pfizer are available now for the immuno compromised but moderna has been slower with their paperwork for it to be in general use. My understanding (always subject to correction) is that it's the same shot as the first two.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)That's my understanding, too.
From what I've read, the largest drop in efficacy is among people >age 65.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I don't normally get a flu shot, but I might this year.
samplegirl
(11,476 posts)I had guillain barre in my twenties.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)Now who do we believe? UGHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)I got my Moderna 3rd shot, in before the lockdown!
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I'm very much looking forward to getting 3rd!
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)As far as I can tell, there's no reason not to get a booster in the US. We have plenty of vaccines and are also sending them around the world. I already know what side effects to expect and I am OK with that.
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Asymptomatic & mild infections still can, & often do, result in long haul. ~30% & very high risk of needing dialysis, per Dr. Eroc Ding, Harvard epidemiologidt twitter. Yes, even if not hospitalized!
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Raven123
(4,828 posts)Data is arriving at a frenetic pace and needs careful scrutiny.
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)The psychology is complex though. Maybe they are trying to encourage unvaxxed folks to go out and get their first shot, because the vaccines are so good...or maybe trying to spread the world vaccine supply to more people... ?
agingdem
(7,845 posts)day of my second vaccine..and if I have to get one every 5 or 6 months I will, data or no data...
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I've not gotten booster & I'm at nearly 6 mos from fully vaxed.
But Israel has very strong data reflecting that efficacy wanes significantly after 5 months.
They are reportedly set to present this to US health officials on 9/17.
FBaggins
(26,727 posts)In the no data scenario, how will you determine whether you need to get one?
agingdem
(7,845 posts)we need a booster..maybe in six months, maybe 8 months, maybe right now, maybe never..this isn't "data" it's conjecture..virologists know the vaccine works but the degree of protection wanes with time...I'm 73 with a crap immune system..I don't have that kind of time to wait until the global scientific community comes to some kind of an agreement as to if and when to booster
JohnSJ
(92,136 posts)Evan1980
(11 posts)agingdem
(7,845 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)While they are debating out there what's appropriate or not.
Israel's data is clear that booster is working.
I don't think we in US are different from people in Israel in that they need a booster and we don't.
We used the same vaccine or similar vaccines (Pfizer and Moderna).
Backseat Driver
(4,390 posts)will take advantage of the seasonal flu shot so vaccines are not on top of each other - I believe in vaccines but not in the rapid-fire schedule with which we vaccinate our pets, kids, PG moms, etc...even the shotgun approach of multiple pathogens to newbie military - immune systems do need time to rest and return to just a "guarding" status not a status of rapidly being over-stimulated by exposure.
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)especially in light of the reluctance of those who have been vaccinated to wear masks - is that the protection against mild disease is needed in order to prevent transmission.
My employee and I were exposed three times in the week before school started - two of them by vaccinated individuals (one of whom was sure what she had was a cold, the other of whom had a mild headache).
The data indicates that for the first 5 days, vaccinated individuals with COVID are every bit as contagious as unvaccinated individuals.
So as long as the vaccinated refuse to wear masks (and continue to dismiss mild symptoms as something else), not adminisering booster shots to bump up the protections against mild diseases will significantly contribute to the continuing surge of cases.
Myocarditis is rare, and seems to target young males. Perhaps an individual evaluation could be made within that group - rather than avoiding all boosters because of a miniscule risk to a select population.
wiggs
(7,812 posts)hospitalization is the goal, then the current vaccines appear to be doing a great job and data might be thin otherwise. This is the basis of the FDA stance...how the current vaccine recommendations do against hospitalization and death. Therefore no urgent need for boosters for most of us.
IF...if the goal is potential eradication of the virus, avoidance of long covid, avoidance of mild disease, avoidance of loss of kidney function, or reduction in IQ....then I would think that most scientists would say that a booster has a valid, effective role.
Also...I'd like to know how much Delta effects are part of scientific reports now. Are pre-delta data still affecting the numbers collected a while ago?
Infection, even for the vaccinated, starts a race between viral replication and our immune systems...I believe the most rapid immune response happens when you still have b cells circulating after recent vaccination or previous exposure. I want a strong, rapid response from circulating b cells in addition to the final strong t cell response that keeps me from getting very sick