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Link to tweet
Feminist Proper Gander
@dappergander
·
Sep 13, 2021
I'm waiting on confirmation (this statement has not yet appeared on Trump's website, but it's on chan boards and thedonald), but if genuine, Trump has just called Biden "an illegitimate President" in an official statement, which seems significant.
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Jan Wolfe
@JanNWolfe
it's genuine. got it by email.
10:01 AM · Sep 13, 2021
dchill
(38,450 posts)Bazooka Joe gum wrapper, more like.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)He can spew batshit crazy nonsense from his hideyhole at Mar A Guano. Who gives a fuck?
malaise
(268,718 posts)Fuck the Slobfather
Justice matters.
(6,921 posts)malaise
(268,718 posts)ReTHUG talking points - fuck them all!
Trueblue1968
(17,194 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)lastlib
(23,166 posts)...it's "I plead 'Guilty.'"
The former guy has our permission to proceed with self-fornication. With a pitchfork. Sideways.
jcgoldie
(11,613 posts)If this asshole would just fucking die. Do Your Job Cholesterol!
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,730 posts)Her line is busy.
Otto_Harper
(508 posts)I'm not nearly as conciliatory as you are.
lastlib
(23,166 posts)groundloop
(11,514 posts)FalloutShelter
(11,834 posts)Five days before insurrection part2.
Tell me again what more we need to understand about Jan 6.
Enough!
sorry
I am pissed off.
W_HAMILTON
(7,840 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 13, 2021, 04:42 PM - Edit history (1)
And that's MY official statement.
superpatriotman
(6,246 posts)It equates Antifa and BLM with terrorists.
This is inflammatory, unprotected speech which could lead to very bad things.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,319 posts)superpatriotman
(6,246 posts)nt
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,319 posts)What is it that Trump said that's going to have him going to trial?
He's just a private citizen mouthing off, which is his right.
Moebym
(989 posts)"Stochastic terrorism"
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,319 posts)Two, if you've had both Moderna or Pfizer shots.
Tell them it's on me.
Ponietz
(2,939 posts)Words that BLATENTLY further an open criminal conspiracy are not protected.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,319 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:21 PM - Edit history (2)
If I were to get into a time machine and go back to 1966 and shout, in the middle of an anti-war demonstration, "Burn your draft cards!" should I be arrested for my words? If I were to be convicted, would that be an appropriate outcome? Would the Supreme Court rule the same way today?
I would not be burning a draft card, but shouting "Words that {BLATANTLY} further an open criminal conspiracy." Should those words deserve protection? Not the act, but the words that encourage that criminal act.
Show your work.
By Jason Friedman
Other articles in Laws and Proposed Laws, 1951-2007
From 1941 through 1973, with a short interruption in the late 1940s, young men at age 18 were required by law to register with their local draft boards. Each was classified according to his fitness for service and issued a draft card noting his name, age, and draft status. After Congress adopted the Draft Card Mutilation Act of 1965 to promote the efficient operation of the Selective Service System and preempt venues of resistance, it became a criminal offense knowingly to destroy or mutilate ones draft card. The Supreme Court struck down a First Amendment challenge to the law. This is a June 20, 1969 photo of Ken Love burning what he claimed was a draft card and his Students for a Democratic Society card in Chicago. (AP Photo, used with permission from The Associated Press)
From 1941 through 1973, with a short interruption in the late 1940s, young men at age 18 were required by law to register with their local draft boards. Each was classified according to his fitness for service and issued a draft card noting his name, age, and draft status.
Draft card destruction viewed as symbolic protest against Vietnam War
Possession of the card proved that the card bearer was compliant with the Selective Service System and had not tried to evade classification for military service.
Draft operations ran relatively smoothly before and during World War II and again during the Korean War and the 1950s. By the mid-1960s, as the United States drafted more troops for the Vietnam War and opposition to the war heightened, some men viewed the public destruction of their draft cards as an effective form of symbolic protest against both the war and the draft system that supported it.
Draft-card burning became one of the most iconic forms of protest during the war. It was a gesture made by young men who wished to buck the system but were not comfortable with more extreme measures such as going to Canada, participating in riots, or destroying induction centers. The symbolic act had legal implications, however.
Burning draft cards was a criminal offense
Burning draft cards was ipso facto illegal because all eligible men were legally required to carry their draft cards with them at all times.
Furthermore, after Congress adopted the Draft Card Mutilation Act of 1965 to promote the efficient operation of the Selective Service System and preempt venues of resistance, it became a criminal offense knowingly to destroy or mutilate ones draft card.
{snip}
United States v. O'Brien
Full disclosure: I did not burn my draft card. Nor did I encourage anyone to burn his draft card.
Ponietz
(2,939 posts)And wont address your hypothetical.
We entered RICO territory when a bloc within the GOP, a criminal organization, staged a violent overthrow of a lawfully elected democratic government. To suggest that a coconspirators statements in an ongoing criminal enterprise are protected speech is misguided it seems to me.
Read about the speech integral to criminal conduct doctrine:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/11/30/the-speech-integral-to-criminal-conduct-exception
Walleye
(30,984 posts)dhol82
(9,352 posts)He just wants to create chaos so he can monetize it.
blm
(113,015 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Hes a private citizen.
And I wish wed never hear from him again.
The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)He can run that little anus he uses for a mouth, but someone has to be in office to make any kind of an official statement, and this vicious baboon is not.
Mosby
(16,263 posts)That's what the OP meant imo.
The Magistrate
(95,243 posts)And I did not mean to suggest the lady needed correction.
Merely stating the actual case, which I am sure she is aware of.
OMGWTF
(3,943 posts)Ohio Joe
(21,731 posts)That fuckin guy is a douche.
That is all.
OMGWTF
(3,943 posts)marble falls
(57,013 posts)giving him air and on DEMOCTRATIC underground?
Nevilledog
(51,030 posts)To me, the word "official" is of no real importance. We are not the intended audience for this, but he does have an audience.
I expect him to tell people to take the gov't back in the lead up to September 18th.
I'll try and make sure that Trump is included on any post like this so you can avoid it in the future.
marble falls
(57,013 posts)Nevilledog
(51,030 posts)I was letting you know that I would make sure that Trump was in the title so you could choose not to click on it.
There are different opinions on what kind of monitoring these RWNJs merit. I fall into the group that thinks knowing what they're up to is important. Sorry you took it personally, it really wasn't meant to be.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)As mentioned up-thread, the former guy's rabid partisans are gearing up for another boogaloo on September 18. It might come a cropper like the My Pillow knucklehead's big rally in Kentucky this past weekend. Pointing and laughing at Mike Lindell is encouraged.
But this nonsense that the former guy shoves out on his little made-up letterhead is done oftentimes with a purpose. I suspect he's trying to create an "illegitimate president" (look who's talking) vibe for President Biden, and don't be surprised if you start hearing that this week in the popular media. This is where it comes from.
Forewarned is forearmed, as the saying goes. If September 18 comes and goes with little more than another hamberder fart in a whirlwind, we can all point and laugh at the former guy. Some more. I have found it useful to remember these tantrums and remind the former guy's supporters of just how much hot air he generates.
I don't give much more than a fuck about this, but I do think it should be noted.
wnylib
(21,346 posts)but what if he is not counting on a large turnout of his crazy followers to turn a rally onto an insurrectionist attack? It didn't succeed that way before.
But on Jan 6 there were armed militia as well as crazy followers. The crazies were cover for the RW armed former military members of groups like Oath Keepers to carry out a mission.
So maybe he learned from the mistakes of his last attempt. What if this time, he has a well trained private army ready for a more efficient coup attempt? I can understand guarding the Capitol Building because of the last time. But there are other branches of government.
Hope I am just being paranoid. Or just plain foolish. But TFG and his fascist friends think and act outside the box.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)One thing that encourages me is that the Capitol is under new management. The former guy was in charge of things on Jan. 6, and he set his mob in motion at the rally beforehand, then scurried off to watch the spectacle. He ignored all requests for assistance or mobilization while he sat watching it all unfold on the teevee, grinning his blood-soaked grin.
As the saying goes, though, there's a new sheriff in town. And he's not going to be ginning up any crowds or having Rudy Giuliani bellow about trial by combat. No, he'll be engaged and monitoring the situation, and if there's trouble, he won't hesitate to summon sufficient law enforcement personnel to keep any mob from getting out of hand.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)This country has ONE PRESIENT at a time, period.
Orange Menace, fuck you. You are no longer the President, and have not been since January 20th.
Accept the truth you goddamn turd and follow GOP health care plans - Get sick, and die faster.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,762 posts)0rganism
(23,931 posts)At this point, I think a talented lawyer could show malicious intent. We're well into "shouting fire in a crowded theatre" territory here.
Lovie777
(12,218 posts)other wackos are complying with his statement and want their cult to remove Pres. President. I fear for his life and other Democrats.
hadEnuf
(2,177 posts)Zero tolerance.
ZonkerHarris
(24,209 posts)UTUSN
(70,649 posts)PortTack
(32,715 posts)Cracklin Charlie
(12,904 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,007 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)Botany
(70,449 posts)Donny you are not an official anything.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)Ocelot II
(115,610 posts)So heres my official statement: Fuck him, sideways.
budkin
(6,699 posts)He even managed to throw those buzzwords in there!
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)He's just an ex-President. No power whatever.
Botany
(70,449 posts)... canard too. No our military destroyed or made useless just about everything that got left behind,
some of the US equipment that we gave the Afghan Army got into Taliban hands, and the reason the
stuff got left behind is because of TFG's deal with the Taliban.
Justice matters.
(6,921 posts)Record-breaking Business loser.
Fraudulently *elected* POTUS.
November 2020 loser.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)Im not phased by this. Hes been lying about the election for almost a year now. Hell, he was lying about it even before he actually lost it. Its not like his horde of nut job followers could possibly believe the election was stolen any more than they already do, so whatever.
He can go stick a cactus firmly up his ample ass.
niyad
(113,079 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)I used the wrong word, just as Ive been doing forever.
Well, thanks for unintentionally alerting me to my grammatical error. I wont make that mistake again in the future. 👋
spanone
(135,795 posts)Takket
(21,529 posts)So Ted has to leave the senate now, right?
Probably not a coincidence this comes up shortly before the rally (aka terrorist attack) coming to DC
Resistance1
(103 posts)He is stoking up his cult followers with is audible dog whistles. To be a dumbass, he knows what he is doing
kimbutgar
(21,060 posts)Sounds like one of his sycophants wrote it.
Laughable though that he is eaten up with so much jealously that President is more popular than him. He is so pathetic!
Jon King
(1,910 posts)The chance we have in the midterms is Dems being excited about an off year election. TFG fires up Dems like he does Repugs. Toss in the fight for women's rights, we have more motivated voters.
The only chance we have vs redistricting and voter suppression is a super interested and motivated base.
Loge23
(3,922 posts)Serious question.
Why?
What's the status of the numerous lawsuits that he faces?
Why has there been no action on "Individual #1"?
Are all of his sexual crimes going unpunished? Wasn't there a dozen of so complaints?
What about the tax return scandal?
Why has he legally unscathed by the January 6th insurrection?
This latest press release or whatever he calls them is gibberish to us, but rocket fuel for his idiot supporters. He will ignite a fire that will consume this nation and he will waltz away from it all.
Why?
Chellee
(2,091 posts)He's an asshole and he makes ridiculous, assholish statements. That aside, it's interesting that even he doesn't think he had anything to do with the vaccine. Please note that he put the words gift, terrorism, and Trump in quotation marks. Gift because it wasn't really a gift, although, also, that didn't actually happen. Terrorism because he doesn't believe that right wing terrorism is terrorism. And Trump...because he knows that he had nothing to do with it?
niyad
(113,079 posts)kool-ade drinkers show up at the Capitol this time, you will not be in charge of its defense.
mn9driver
(4,420 posts)He is guilty of conspiracy to commit sedition, election tampering and campaign finance fraud. And thats just from public information.
If he isnt indicted and charged with SOMETHING very soon, we can say goodbye to our quaint little experiment with democracy.
GoCubsGo
(32,075 posts)He's a private citizen, with no authority or ability to make any declarations that are in any way "official." He is no longer the President of the United States, regardless of how much he pretends to still hold that job. The sooner people stop playing along with his game, the sooner this shit will end.
tirebiter
(2,533 posts)Alien Life Form
(370 posts)these disgusting pigs cant go any lower..they do!
This man needs to be charged with some criminal offense...find something..anything and LOCK HIM UP!
fierywoman
(7,672 posts)incitement for insurrection?
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)it's being ramped up again in various places by the same people,.
EddieOnTheMesa
(47 posts)Officially stupid like everything else he has ever said.
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)The Democratic Base.
The BLM Base.
The Women's Right's Base.
The Medical Base.
The Science Base.
The Youth Base.
The Peace Base
The Reality Based Base.
Chakaconcarne
(2,436 posts)kind of annoyed this is even posted.
that is my opinion.
jmowreader
(50,530 posts)ecstatic
(32,653 posts)lastlib
(23,166 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)Put in a money call. Suckers will assist him.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)mvd
(65,162 posts)Still hoping Garland gets on him.