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AOC at Met Gala - "Tax the Rich" (Original Post) CousinIT Sep 2021 OP
. Takket Sep 2021 #1
Feed the poor. 'Til there are no rich no more!🎶 LakeArenal Sep 2021 #2
The two have nothing to do with each other. brooklynite Sep 2021 #6
Seriously, Ten Years After is tongue and cheek. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #19
we are not socialist, just gobsmacked to still see this dross pushed here Celerity Sep 2021 #29
These wealthy taxpayers paid $200,000 per table for this social Hortensis Sep 2021 #63
I have always loved this song. I wish the solo at the end went on for 20 mins, though. SYFROYH Sep 2021 #132
🎶🎶❤️🎶🎶 LakeArenal Sep 2021 #137
We can't do that! Omnipresent Sep 2021 #3
She's at the Met Gala? Well I guess that's where you will Tomconroy Sep 2021 #4
Average cost of gowns there? NT mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2021 #5
Probably $5000-10,000 Marius25 Sep 2021 #102
Do you know that the people attending oppose higher tax rates? brooklynite Sep 2021 #7
Not living in NYC, I have to ask, what's the gala for? mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2021 #8
This is a fundraiser for the Metropolitan Museum of Art. brooklynite Sep 2021 #9
I think it's a fundraiser for the Fashion institute of the Tomconroy Sep 2021 #11
She's still Sgent Sep 2021 #58
It's a fundraiser Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #22
The vast majority of wealthy people would prefer Bettie Sep 2021 #30
All the more reason to applaud her gutsy move. She is not a coward! joetheman Sep 2021 #87
Perhaps the Congresswoman should focus her attention on her fellow members of Congress... brooklynite Sep 2021 #10
Had she worn a gown made out of duct tape, she might have made more of an impression. NT mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2021 #12
I'm sure Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #24
neither precludes the other fishwax Sep 2021 #36
It's 30K per ticket. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #13
Yeah - it's the post - but they are bringing the tea JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #14
Ha! sheshe2 Sep 2021 #15
Oh wow! BlueLucy Sep 2021 #16
Dunno. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #20
The gown was donated by a young black designer. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #138
No, we don't Red Mountain Sep 2021 #139
Who paid for the tickets for herself and her boyfriend? sheshe2 Sep 2021 #143
To hob nob and raise money for her upcoming election Dorian Gray Sep 2021 #25
She was invited (didn't pay) n/t FreeState Sep 2021 #34
According to Newsweek, celebrities attend for free in exchange for promoting a designer's clothes. lapucelle Sep 2021 #60
Quid pro quo? I don't know... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #66
Status quo. betsuni Sep 2021 #69
Same as it ever was. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #79
+1 Nixie Sep 2021 #146
are you also going to accuse Carolyn Maloney of quid pro quo? Celerity Sep 2021 #80
I've made no accusations. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #85
Who designed Maloney's dress? Was she promoting a brand? lapucelle Sep 2021 #89
Whatabout. betsuni Sep 2021 #86
Yes. Apparently... NurseJackie Sep 2021 #91
Bingo. Treefrog Sep 2021 #117
Just random pictures of attendees misses the point, Nixie Sep 2021 #145
Partnered is this case is she was a co-designer of the dress FreeState Sep 2021 #112
The representative herself said that she "was partnered with James". Who did the partnering? lapucelle Sep 2021 #133
Interesting, thank you! betsuni Sep 2021 #142
Hanging out with the rich Raine Sep 2021 #55
I thought hanging out in wine caves and such with elites/establishment/capitalists was bad. betsuni Sep 2021 #61
That's one month's rent for 50 families, or could even get one's grandmother's roof fixed. George II Sep 2021 #17
Yes. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #26
Somehow that argument sounds familiar.. tonedevil Sep 2021 #101
So AOC is Jesus? mcar Sep 2021 #123
New International Version has the quote verbatim, other versions in paraphrase: Emrys Sep 2021 #126
Wasn't in the Catholic Bible mcar Sep 2021 #127
I found it on Wikipedia... tonedevil Sep 2021 #134
The sophomore representative from NY-14 considers that she and designer Aurora James lapucelle Sep 2021 #23
Un fugging believable. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #27
Perhaps the ticket was purchased with campaign funds? tritsofme Sep 2021 #31
Nope. George II Sep 2021 #44
Nope on what? tritsofme Sep 2021 #49
Most of it is charitible Sgent Sep 2021 #59
The "working class" bit sounded strange, for sure. Nixie Sep 2021 #73
+100000000 betsuni Sep 2021 #74
Way to put words in her mouth FreeState Sep 2021 #40
The post to which you responded doesn't mention middle class. George II Sep 2021 #45
They still don't identify as working class FreeState Sep 2021 #46
Politicians who attended the Met Gala JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #53
I remember the 2001 exhibit and gala. It honored Jackie Kennedy during her White House years. lapucelle Sep 2021 #136
Everyone should watch that before they disparage AOC LakeArenal Sep 2021 #140
I'm with you on the "crap" JustAnotherGen Sep 2021 #144
This message was self-deleted by its author FreepFryer Sep 2021 #70
Tax the rich. Tax the corporations. Tax the churches. sarcasmo Sep 2021 #18
Churches that engage in politics. LakeArenal Sep 2021 #21
Love it. Celebs never pay for their gowns. Designers love having a celebrity wear it Arazi Sep 2021 #28
It had better not be a gift. Elected officials are not permitted to accept gifts. George II Sep 2021 #33
If your invited by a designer you don't pay for a ticket n/t FreeState Sep 2021 #37
If you attend an event that costs $35k (or $50k?) without paying, that's a gift over the limit. George II Sep 2021 #38
She helped design the dress FreeState Sep 2021 #39
I was talking about the price of a ticket to attend. This wasn't a political event. George II Sep 2021 #41
There was no price - designers and designer guests get a free ticket n/t FreeState Sep 2021 #42
A non-political event that has a ticket price of X dollars is not free, guests notwithstanding. George II Sep 2021 #43
Keep trying I'm sure she's done something horrible. /nt tonedevil Sep 2021 #54
well, she does live rent free in some people's heads Celerity Sep 2021 #56
ROTFLMAO/nt tonedevil Sep 2021 #57
Oh, lololol. Yeah, good to know that her criticisms of Nixie Sep 2021 #75
+1 betsuni Sep 2021 #76
you seem very selective in your criticisms Celerity Sep 2021 #78
A little hypocrisy never stood in the way of some old fashioned AOC bashing. PTWB Sep 2021 #83
+1 Celerity Sep 2021 #88
+1 Bettie Sep 2021 #96
Sorry, but no. Not the same thing, and you probably Nixie Sep 2021 #94
Only if the real estate has value Sympthsical Sep 2021 #90
best aoc upset snark ever! Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #92
Exactly! traitorsgalore Sep 2021 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Sep 2021 #93
As long as AOC keeps irritating all the right people inside and outside the party SYFROYH Sep 2021 #32
agree blogslug Sep 2021 #35
Right there with you ChubbyStar Sep 2021 #47
Some people in this topic wouldn't be happy unless she showed up... Lancero Sep 2021 #50
Ah fuck that ChubbyStar Sep 2021 #51
I can't even see half the responses. Lol! demmiblue Sep 2021 #64
Of course I logged in as a guest to read because I knew I would only see about 10 replies as Chubby ChubbyStar Sep 2021 #115
+1 Celerity Sep 2021 #52
Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2021 #68
+1 demmiblue Sep 2021 #62
We need to require a lot more of a CONGRESSWOMAN than irritating Hortensis Sep 2021 #65
+100000000000 betsuni Sep 2021 #71
I didn't say that irritating people was the only thing she does. SYFROYH Sep 2021 #82
She made a Statement. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #67
✔️ LakeArenal Sep 2021 #141
Brilliant. Makes melania's stunt look even dumber and more impotent than it was. Go AOC! nt FreepFryer Sep 2021 #72
ha ha I love this woman. +1!!!!! BeckyDem Sep 2021 #77
I literally just listened to a rant by Joe Scarborough on MSNBC... bullwinkle428 Sep 2021 #81
Really we need to raise taxes on everyone. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #84
yes, because all those fat cats bringing in $7.25/hr and living the posh life in Celerity Sep 2021 #95
It's not about the wealthy vs the poor fescuerescue Sep 2021 #97
are you a deficit hawk? Celerity Sep 2021 #98
I wouldn't say that fescuerescue Sep 2021 #100
You will never come close to reducing the debt via wage income tax tinkering. Celerity Sep 2021 #108
when exactly is this 'debt catching up'? Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #103
If debts don't matter fescuerescue Sep 2021 #107
they don't matter as long as they are within certain limits. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #120
It's only a myth as long as we manage it properly fescuerescue Sep 2021 #122
no your point, if you recall, was that you needed to tax the poor Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #124
I get to decide what my point is fescuerescue Sep 2021 #125
sure, but you don't get to redefine your point when it gets uncomfortable. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #128
Yes I wrote that in #84. But your later paraphrasing in #124 was incorrect. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #129
so 'everyone' doesn't include the poor? Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #130
Just start back at post #84 and work your way down. fescuerescue Sep 2021 #131
gobsmacked (again) that I am seeing RW austerity manoeuvring and 'tax the poor more as they Celerity Sep 2021 #113
Isn't the laffer curve a RW conspiracy itself? fescuerescue Sep 2021 #116
it is poor, over-simplistic economics Celerity Sep 2021 #118
The wealthy derive, by far, the most benefits from an orderly well regulated society... hunter Sep 2021 #110
Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime Celerity Sep 2021 #114
Where is her mask? Zeitghost Sep 2021 #99
She did obnoxiousdrunk Sep 2021 #105
I'm so glad you found something to attack her with. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #106
The posted pictures alone Zeitghost Sep 2021 #111
Oh you find them peculiar? ChubbyStar Sep 2021 #119
for example Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #121
Nice photo. jalan48 Sep 2021 #104
Bravo! WHITT Sep 2021 #109
She's so gorgeous... Phentex Sep 2021 #135

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
6. The two have nothing to do with each other.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:12 PM
Sep 2021

The "socialist" nations of Scandinavia have expansive safety net programs...and wealthy taxpayers.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
19. Seriously, Ten Years After is tongue and cheek.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:47 PM
Sep 2021

Just as Tax the Rich on AOC’s butt at an extravagant event of rich people was.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
63. These wealthy taxpayers paid $200,000 per table for this social
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 07:51 AM
Sep 2021

event/fundraiser. Most could do so with their loose change as they were also were among those who gained enormous increases in already significant wealth during the pandemic.

Omnipresent

(5,706 posts)
3. We can't do that!
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:00 PM
Sep 2021

It’s part of the Hope of Billionaires applying themselves to hard work and someday achieving the American dream of becoming Trillionaires!!

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,399 posts)
8. Not living in NYC, I have to ask, what's the gala for?
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:15 PM
Sep 2021

I don't know if this is a fundraiser for AOC, or the ASPCA, or ASCAP, or what.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
9. This is a fundraiser for the Metropolitan Museum of Art.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:20 PM
Sep 2021

The Met Gala, formally called the Costume Institute Gala or the Costume Institute Benefit and also known as the Met Ball, is an annual fundraising gala for the benefit of the Metropolitan Museum of Art's Costume Institute in New York City. It marks the opening of the Costume Institute's annual fashion exhibit.[4] Each year's event celebrates the theme of that year's Costume Institute exhibition, and the exhibition sets the tone for the formal dress of the night, since guests are expected to choose their fashion to match the theme of the exhibit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Met_Gala

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
11. I think it's a fundraiser for the Fashion institute of the
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:24 PM
Sep 2021

Metropolitan Museum of Art. It's run (I believe) by Anna Wintour, the editor of Vogue and the inspiration for the book and movie 'The Devil Wears Prada'.
I guess I'm just surprised. I am sure it's fun for her.
It used to be a society thing. Now it's more of a celebrity thing.

Dorian Gray

(13,493 posts)
22. It's a fundraiser
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:52 PM
Sep 2021

for the Metropolitan Museum of Art. Hardest ticket in town to get. You can't even just be a huge ass donor to get in. You have to be cool and Anna Wintour has to personally approve you. Lots of famous people aren't even allowed to bring their less famous spouses when they're invited.

I have a friend who snagged an invite a couple of years ago.... and no her spouse wasn't allowed to go.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
30. The vast majority of wealthy people would prefer
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 10:24 PM
Sep 2021

that they were not taxed at all, let the peasants pay for everything, seems to be the rallying cry.

And yet, there are more of us (the not-rich) than there are of the wealthy and obsecnely wealthy.

And most of the not-rich don't mind there being people who are wealthy, but we'd like to see some of the money go through a few more hands before it gets to the top. You know, maybe they could stop kicking those on the lower rungs of the metaphorical ladder.

brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
10. Perhaps the Congresswoman should focus her attention on her fellow members of Congress...
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:22 PM
Sep 2021

...rather that making a symbolic statement that won't change any opinions?

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
14. Yeah - it's the post - but they are bringing the tea
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:33 PM
Sep 2021


Indeed, for the 2021 Met Gala, individual tickets were $35,000 and tables started at $200,000, The Post has learned.


https://nypost.com/2021/09/13/aoc-wears-tax-the-rich-dress-to-met-gala/

Brother Vellies is the maker - they are a subscription shoe service.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
20. Dunno.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:49 PM
Sep 2021

I would also like to know who paid for the ticket and gown. I think we all deserve an answer.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
138. The gown was donated by a young black designer.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 07:10 PM
Sep 2021

They have been friends for years.
The dress is going back to the designer as many high rent gowns go.

Red Mountain

(1,731 posts)
139. No, we don't
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 07:14 PM
Sep 2021

It's enough in my opinion that she took the opportunity to promote her message.

I don't think that going has exposed her as a hypocrite or diminished her message.

The rich are going to have to agree to be taxed at some point. That's the way our system works at the moment.

The rich control the taxes. They buy the representation they want.

She doesn't seem bought, so far.

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
143. Who paid for the tickets for herself and her boyfriend?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:02 PM
Sep 2021

If they paid for them that is wasteful spending, 70K, that could have helped the homeless and starving in NY and other states after Ida.

Now, if you tell me they were gifted...then that is an ethics issue.

I want the rich taxed as well, I don't believe she is going about this the right way. Here is an idea, she has her own brand of sweatshirts that have the same message printed on them. She could have handed them out to volunteers to wear as they handed out food and supplies to Ida's needy. That would have been a great message, for her, the people and her mission.

Dorian Gray

(13,493 posts)
25. To hob nob and raise money for her upcoming election
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:54 PM
Sep 2021

just like every other politician, despite what they say their values are!

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
60. According to Newsweek, celebrities attend for free in exchange for promoting a designer's clothes.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 05:49 AM
Sep 2021
While some have said the progressive politician's dress is tone-deaf because of the event's nearly $35,000 tickets, most invited celebrities don't pay to attend, according to The Evening Standard. The publication says the Met Gala chooses up-and-coming designers to feature their work at the event. Celebrities who wear their fashions get to attend the event for free.


https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-gets-mixed-reviews-tax-rich-dress-worn-met-gala-1628719

Maybe that's what the representative from NY-14 meant when she said in her red carpet interview that she was "partnered" with Aurora James.

Do sitting members of the House of Representatives routinely accept things of value (i.e. a $30,000 Met Gala ticket) in exchange for promoting products?

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
66. Quid pro quo? I don't know...
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:03 AM
Sep 2021

... maybe someone more knowledgeable on matters like that can share their brain power.

Celerity

(43,327 posts)
80. are you also going to accuse Carolyn Maloney of quid pro quo?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:02 AM
Sep 2021

asking for a friend


Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney at the #MetGala







Nixie

(16,950 posts)
145. Just random pictures of attendees misses the point,
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:45 PM
Sep 2021

but you keep posting this picture. The woman in your picture hasn’t invested in promoting a political brand like AOC has done. Maloney hasn’t made herself a moral authority on the actions and worthiness of rich people. So Maloney has no hypocrisy taint about her being there.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
112. Partnered is this case is she was a co-designer of the dress
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:19 PM
Sep 2021

Partnered is this case is she was a co-designer of the dress (an artist at the event):

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/a37582578/aoc-tax-the-rich-met-gala-dress/

AOC worked with James on the design, and she spoke to Ilana Glazer on the Vogue livestream about the experience: "We really started having a conversation about what it means to be working class women of color at the Met. We said we can't just play along, we need to break the fourth wall and challenge some of the institutions. While the Met is known for its spectacle, we should have a conversation about it."

James is known for creating the 15 Percent Pledge, a call to retailers everywhere to dedicate 15 percent of shelf-space to Black-owned businesses, brands, and designers. Stores like Sephora, Macy's, and Gap have already committed to the important initiative, and because of her activism it makes total sense that the designer and Ocasio-Cortez partnered up to make a political statement at the Met Gala.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
133. The representative herself said that she "was partnered with James". Who did the partnering?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 05:06 PM
Sep 2021

The Met Gala ( i.e. Anna Wintour) pairs celebrities with brands to promote the celebrity, the brand, and the event. That's why the sophomore congresswoman and Aurora James walked the red carpet together.

The Met Gala chooses up-and-coming designers to feature their work at the event. Celebrities who wear their fashions get to attend the event for free.

https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-gets-mixed-reviews-tax-rich-dress-worn-met-gala-1628719

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While the dress derives major elements of it's design to the 1954 Dior classic, it's unclear exactly where this particular dress came from, given that Aurora James designs, manufactures, and sells exotic skin footwear and purses, and Brother Vellies does not have a clothing line.

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Brother Vellies is a very successful business, having survived a harrowing delay in shipment of ostrich skin due to a transportation strike it's very first year in business.

BROOKLYN, United States — At a critical juncture in producing her first collection of shoes, creative director Aurora James was faced with a sourcing snafu. She had managed to procure a supply of some of the world’s finest ostrich leather from Oudtshoorn, a South African village renowned for breeding the largest ostrich population on earth. Unfortunately, workers in the area had staged a transportation strike and the factory was three days’ drive away.

“We ended up having to get a helicopter to fly this ostrich to where we needed it,” she laughed.

https://www.businessoffashion.com/articles/sustainability/brother-vellies-makes-shoes-conscience

*******************************************************

Vellie shoes have a long and interesting history, and in the US are commonly called chukka boots.

Veldskoene or colloquially vellies are South African walking shoes made from vegetable-tanned leather or soft rawhide uppers attached to a leather footbed and rubber sole without tacks or nails.

The name comes from Afrikaans vel ("skin" ), later assimilated with veld ("field" ), and skoene ("shoes" ). They were first made in the 17th century by the first Dutch settlers in South Africa. Their design is believed to be based on the traditional Khoisan footwear observed by these settlers. The footwear was later embedded into the Afrikaaner psyche when velskoene were used as the footwear of the Great Trek.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veldskoen

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Fashion is a funny thing:

A shoe worn by Namibian farmers has become a hipster must-have in the world’s fashion capitals

One of the most iconic producers of veldskoene (pronounced “felt-skooneh”), African Leather Creations, has been making the shoes from a small town on Namibia’s coast for more than fifty years. The company got its start when Ewald Schier moved to Namibia from Germany and opened a tannery in 1938. Surrounded by farms, open veld, and endless desert, Schier knew his customers needed a durable, comfortable shoe. While a type of veldskoen was already worn in the region, Schier was one of the first commercial producers to choose the shoe’s now iconic soft kudu hide as the most flexible and durable material.

snip==============================================

Today, the African Leather Creations factory employs a dozen people and makes 1,500 to 2,000 pairs of shoes a month. Its Swakop Vellies are stocked in stores aimed at farmers and some small boutiques. The factory also fields direct orders at 550 to 600 rand a pair (between $38 and $42), and has found a small customer base in Europe. Phillip Schier lives in Munich, and sells limited stock from his basement, a testament to the family’s refusal to mass-produce their product.

snip===============================================

Some ambitious competitors to African Leather Creations want to take the shoes further, capitalizing on their newfound trendiness.

snip===============================================

Schier isn’t bothered by this competition, saying that the Swakop Vellie’s history and craftmanship will remain consistent even as the customer changes.

“We’re not reinventing the shoe, we make a simple, basic affordable shoe for every man and woman,” Schier says. “If people want to buy the shoes somewhere else, they can, but with us, they’re buying a story.”

https://qz.com/quartzy/1374719/a-shoe-worn-by-namibian-farmers-has-become-a-hipster-must-have-in-the-worlds-fashion-capitals/

******************************************************
Canadian-born, Brooklyn transplant Aurora James' version of the "basic, simple, affordable" shoe starts at $265. Don't wait for a sale, though. Apparently profit margin is non-negotiable.

We do not put our products on sale. Their value is assigned based on materials and fair labor practices, which are unaffected by the traditional commercial consumption cycle.


https://brothervellies.com/pages/sustainability







 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
101. Somehow that argument sounds familiar..
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:45 AM
Sep 2021
Six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus lived, whom Jesus had raised from the dead. Here a dinner was given in Jesus' honor. Martha served, while Lazarus was among those reclining at the table with him. Then Mary took about a pint of pure nard, an expensive perfume; she poured it on Jesus' feet and wiped his feet with her hair. And the house was filled with the fragrance of the perfume. But one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, who was later to betray him, objected, "Why wasn't this perfume sold and the money given to the poor? It was worth a year's wages." He did not say this because he cared about the poor but because he was a thief; as keeper of the money bag, he used to help himself to what was put into it. "Leave her alone," Jesus replied. "It was intended that she should save this perfume for the day of my burial. You will always have the poor among you, but you will not always have me."

mcar

(42,302 posts)
123. So AOC is Jesus?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:32 PM
Sep 2021

I always thought Judas had a point and never read that part about him skimming. Which Bible did you get that from?

 

tonedevil

(3,022 posts)
134. I found it on Wikipedia...
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 05:19 PM
Sep 2021

it was the first hit for me searching on Jesus oil. I don't know that I had heard about Judas being a thief, but I didn't agree with his statement anyway. AOC isn't Jesus she's just being criticized in what I consider a ridiculous manor similar to that particular fable.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
23. The sophomore representative from NY-14 considers that she and designer Aurora James
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 09:52 PM
Sep 2021

are "working class women".

"When Aurora and I were first kind of partnered, we started having a conversation about what it means to be working class women of color at the Met," Ocasio-Cortez said in a red carpet interview. "And we said, you know, we can't just play along, but we need to break the fourth wall, and challenge some of the institutions. And while the Met is known for its spectacle, we should have a conversation about it.


Representatives earn $174,000 a year.

Aurora James founded and is the creative director of Brother Vellies.

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/awards/40-under-40-2019-aurora-james
https://rocketreach.co/brother-vellies-profile_b447d0dffac5629c

sheshe2

(83,746 posts)
27. Un fugging believable.
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 10:00 PM
Sep 2021

Working class? She is not working class @175K and buys a 30K ticket to the Met Gala wearing a 10K (my guess) dress.

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
31. Perhaps the ticket was purchased with campaign funds?
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 10:28 PM
Sep 2021

I believe that would be perfectly legal.

If donors want to pay for her to party with the 1%, I guess that is their prerogative.

tritsofme

(17,376 posts)
49. Nope on what?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:00 AM
Sep 2021

The $30k cost of ticket was technically a charitable contribution, for which I believe campaign funds can be used.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
59. Most of it is charitible
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 05:32 AM
Sep 2021

perhaps $200-$500 of the ticket is for personal benefit, which would have to be paid out of personal funds. The rest could be from campaign contributions per my understanding.

All charities fundraisers have to give out the amount going to the charity vs the cost to everyone who buys a ticket because the same rule applies for tax deductions.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
73. The "working class" bit sounded strange, for sure.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:27 AM
Sep 2021

Most people have some kind of service type job while going through college, so is that what she is referring to…? A college job is hardly a “working class” label.

She comes from an educated family and background and she attended an elite university and now she makes almost $200/grand a year. Maybe she has to stick to the brand building script..? It’s confusing.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
40. Way to put words in her mouth
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 11:03 PM
Sep 2021

One things missing from that quote - where either of these women identify as middle class.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
53. Politicians who attended the Met Gala
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:20 AM
Sep 2021

And what they wore:

https://www.insider.com/met-gala-fashion-politicians-outfits-2021-9

Secretary of State Clinton, Carolyn Mahoney, 45, and Bloomberg are on the list.

45 and Bloomberg are on on the list multiple times - wearing the same thing over and over again.

lapucelle

(18,252 posts)
136. I remember the 2001 exhibit and gala. It honored Jackie Kennedy during her White House years.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 06:32 PM
Sep 2021

Current and former first ladies Laura Bush and Hillary Clinton were both there. (HRC was a senator at the time). The Kennedy and Shriver families (including Senator Ted Kennedy) were there as well. Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg attended along with her aunt Lee Radziwill.

Carolyn Maloney (who seems to enjoy the "costume" element of The Costume Institute) showed up in 2019 in an FDNY-themed turnout coat and matching gown to raise awareness for The Burn Center and the pending 9/11 bill.





LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
140. Everyone should watch that before they disparage AOC
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 07:22 PM
Sep 2021

Especially the Congresswoman in fire dept gear representing first responders in a Bill she had written.

AOC is not the first to wear a current topic
Message to the world. Not just rich people.

I’m not even a fan. I still resent her “Establishment Democrats” crap.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
144. I'm with you on the "crap"
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:27 PM
Sep 2021

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I love that Mitt Romney wore a tux he bought at Amazon!

Response to lapucelle (Reply #23)

Arazi

(6,829 posts)
28. Love it. Celebs never pay for their gowns. Designers love having a celebrity wear it
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 10:12 PM
Sep 2021

So I'm sure she didn't pay for that.

$30k to spread this message internationally is a pittance in advertising dollars. That picture has already MORE than paid for her ticket (if it wasn't a gift)

As always @AOC is a million miles ahead of the rest

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
39. She helped design the dress
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 10:58 PM
Sep 2021

It’s wasn’t a gift.

https://www.cosmopolitan.com/style-beauty/fashion/a37582578/aoc-tax-the-rich-met-gala-dress/

AOC worked with James on the design, and she spoke to Ilana Glazer on the Vogue livestream about the experience: "We really started having a conversation about what it means to be working class women of color at the Met. We said we can't just play along, we need to break the fourth wall and challenge some of the institutions. While the Met is known for its spectacle, we should have a conversation about it."

James is known for creating the 15 Percent Pledge, a call to retailers everywhere to dedicate 15 percent of shelf-space to Black-owned businesses, brands, and designers. Stores like Sephora, Macy's, and Gap have already committed to the important initiative, and because of her activism it makes total sense that the designer and Ocasio-Cortez partnered up to make a political statement at the Met Gala.

Celerity

(43,327 posts)
56. well, she does live rent free in some people's heads
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:04 AM
Sep 2021

Is that a non-disclosed, over-the-limit gift?

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
75. Oh, lololol. Yeah, good to know that her criticisms of
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:37 AM
Sep 2021

other Democrats aren’t serious. When you hobnob at $35,000/plate dinners to have your picture taken, then you can’t be worried about the “gifts” after all, lololol.

Celerity

(43,327 posts)
78. you seem very selective in your criticisms
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:57 AM
Sep 2021
When you hobnob at $35,000/plate dinners to have your picture taken, then you can’t be worried about the “gifts” after all, lololol.



I have not seen you or the others fire up the old outrage Wurlitzer about:

Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney at the #MetGala









 

PTWB

(4,131 posts)
83. A little hypocrisy never stood in the way of some old fashioned AOC bashing.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:23 AM
Sep 2021

The so-called ‘Democrats’ who bash her are so transparent.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
96. +1
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:19 AM
Sep 2021

Got to give those who hate her credit, they are a dedicated group; any thread that so much as mentions her is quickly swarmed by the bashers.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
94. Sorry, but no. Not the same thing, and you probably
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 10:46 AM
Sep 2021

know it. “Tax the rich” is a brand building slogan from a recently failed campaign so it’s tied to that.

traitorsgalore

(1,396 posts)
48. Exactly!
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 11:45 PM
Sep 2021

Sure are a lot of people upset over taxing the rich too. I wonder why so many people on DU hate democrats? I thought that was not allowed. Oh well.

Response to traitorsgalore (Reply #48)

SYFROYH

(34,169 posts)
32. As long as AOC keeps irritating all the right people inside and outside the party
Mon Sep 13, 2021, 10:33 PM
Sep 2021


I’ll keep loving her.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
50. Some people in this topic wouldn't be happy unless she showed up...
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:08 AM
Sep 2021

Wearing a garbage bag.

And even then, many of them would still complain that it's a Hefty garbage bag, rather than a cheap storebrand generic.

demmiblue

(36,841 posts)
64. I can't even see half the responses. Lol!
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:01 AM
Sep 2021

Probably the usual suspects with their manufactured outrage. AOC is a strong and outspoken young woman of color...

ChubbyStar

(3,191 posts)
115. Of course I logged in as a guest to read because I knew I would only see about 10 replies as Chubby
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:54 PM
Sep 2021

I am still laughing my ass off. The AOC threads are just confirmation that my ignore list is very valid. Nice to see you though.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
65. We need to require a lot more of a CONGRESSWOMAN than irritating
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 08:02 AM
Sep 2021

people in and out of congress, as one of us put it above. Low goal. Irritation's for influencers on social media.

To me it's amusing, and nothing more, that a young socialist got to participate in one of the nation's most elite elite's fun social events and found a way to make a statement to her little donors that literally covered her ass.





Because the only thing that matters is her role in TAXING THE WEALTHY, INCREMENTALLY, UNTIL THEY HAVE TO SELL OFF THEIR ESTATES AND MOVE INTO THEIR GATEHOUSES. Mostly metaphorically speaking, but liberal Democratic voters of 80 years ago did that by electing enough liberal Democrats to control congress and the WH for long enough (12 years!). And those representatives literally taxed the very wealthy of those days out of their palaces.

We're once again committed to eliminating the new wannabe ruling classes RW powers have been creating (during a period when voters didn't give us the power to stop them). But we have to finally have ENOUGH POWER FOR LONG ENOUGH TO DO IT.

So when Ocasio-Cortez rallies young people to vote for the Democratic Party, she is fighting for wealth redistribution and taxing the wealthy. Anything that threatens to weaken our party, works against that goal.

Because we're the only ones who ever did and who will ever be able to do it. It's OUR job.

Eyes on the big goal, as Nancy describes below.

SYFROYH

(34,169 posts)
82. I didn't say that irritating people was the only thing she does.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:15 AM
Sep 2021

I’m just glad that she does it so well.

Different congresspersons have different roles in attaining our goals. I see her role as vital to the present, and more importantly, the future.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
81. I literally just listened to a rant by Joe Scarborough on MSNBC...
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:10 AM
Sep 2021

COMPLETELY echoing AOC's message on her Gala dress!

Now, if DUers want to position themselves to the right of Joe Scarborough on this particular issue, I suppose they have the right to do so, but think about the big picture.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
84. Really we need to raise taxes on everyone.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 09:24 AM
Sep 2021

To some degree.

At least everyone who earns money.

It's the least we all owe this country.

Celerity

(43,327 posts)
95. yes, because all those fat cats bringing in $7.25/hr and living the posh life in
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:09 AM
Sep 2021

Alabama
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Kentucky
Louisiana
Mississippi
New Hampshire
North Carolina
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Wisconsin
Wyoming

need to pitch in more!!!!!

Really we need to raise taxes on everyone.
To some degree.
At least everyone who earns money.
It's the least we all owe this country.



fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
97. It's not about the wealthy vs the poor
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:22 AM
Sep 2021

Well it's not JUST about that.

It's about US vs our children or grandchildren.

Our descendents will the ones living in poverty when our debts catch up to -them-.

We'll be happy in our graves.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
100. I wouldn't say that
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 11:38 AM
Sep 2021

I'm really talking about monetary policy.

But like most economic things, it all overlaps.

The bill will come due though. We will either pay it in taxes, standard of living, or inflation. Obviously those things are all over lapping.

Celerity

(43,327 posts)
108. You will never come close to reducing the debt via wage income tax tinkering.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:12 PM
Sep 2021

The total wage income for 2018 in the US was around $8.4 trillion, yet the total personal income was around $17.8 trillion.

IN 2020, total wages went up to $8.9 trillion, BUT total person income came close to £20 trillion (19.7). The ultra rich made out like like bandits, yet the average person sees little to no rise.

You have to tax the hell out of that non wage wealth income, including instructional financial turnover (quadrillions of dollars each year), accumulated wealth, and rentier income. That is all massively undertaxed.

Also, you need to MASSIVELY reduce the trillions wasted/extracted via the horrific for-profit US healthcare system, and trillions wasted on the gaping maw that is the US war/security/surveillance state.

Wealth inequality is running riot in the US and wealth equality is by far the number one most interlocked, overarching statistic that determines the overall well-being of a society. Nothing else is even close.

Voltaire2

(13,012 posts)
103. when exactly is this 'debt catching up'?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:00 PM
Sep 2021

We just put the cork in one of the largest debt vs gdp deficits in our history, and the bond market just yawned.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
107. If debts don't matter
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:09 PM
Sep 2021

Then by golly let's send everyone a check for $100k.

Obviously that's a strawman. Because we know that they do matter at some point.

When will it catch up? Never if don't outspend ourselves.

Voltaire2

(13,012 posts)
120. they don't matter as long as they are within certain limits.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:20 PM
Sep 2021

What those limits are is a subject of debate, but we know that this theory that somehow we are going to have some bill come due 'down the road' is a myth. We have run substantial deficits almost every year since WWII started. That is now 80 years ago.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
122. It's only a myth as long as we manage it properly
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 02:54 PM
Sep 2021

That's my point.

Do you always trust the President and Congress to manage properly? No matter who it is?

We don't always win ya know.

Voltaire2

(13,012 posts)
124. no your point, if you recall, was that you needed to tax the poor
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 03:52 PM
Sep 2021

to balance the budget. That is nonsense.

Voltaire2

(13,012 posts)
128. sure, but you don't get to redefine your point when it gets uncomfortable.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:36 PM
Sep 2021

Here:


Really we need to raise taxes on everyone.

To some degree.

At least everyone who earns money.

It's the least we all owe this country.

Your original point.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
129. Yes I wrote that in #84. But your later paraphrasing in #124 was incorrect.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:51 PM
Sep 2021

I do stand by my point that everyone needs to contribute. Everyone.

This isn't complicated.

Voltaire2

(13,012 posts)
130. so 'everyone' doesn't include the poor?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:53 PM
Sep 2021

interesting. You specifically said raise taxes on everyone who earns money. Now you want to walk that back, understandably.

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
131. Just start back at post #84 and work your way down.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 04:55 PM
Sep 2021

If we are going to go in circles, that will save a little space on the server.

Celerity

(43,327 posts)
113. gobsmacked (again) that I am seeing RW austerity manoeuvring and 'tax the poor more as they
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:28 PM
Sep 2021

need to pay up' posturing on here by some (not you of course)

This place becomes more and more reactionary and regressive each month on a multiplicity of levels. Maybe the AEI and Cato have started to fund it.

I would not be shocked to start seeing virtual shrines being erected for Pete Peterson, Milton Freidman, and Arthur Laffer.



fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
116. Isn't the laffer curve a RW conspiracy itself?
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:32 PM
Sep 2021

Postulated by Reagan and his goons?

Not you of course.

Celerity

(43,327 posts)
118. it is poor, over-simplistic economics
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 01:44 PM
Sep 2021
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/laffercurve.asp



Is the Laffer Curve Too Simple a Theory?

There are some fundamental problems with the Laffer Curve—notably that it is far too simplistic in its assumptions. First, that the optimal tax revenue-maximizing tax rate T* is unique and static, or at least stable. Second that the shape of the Laffer Curve, at least in the vicinity of the current tax rate and T* is known or even knowable to policymakers. Lastly, that maximizing or even increasing tax revenue is a desirable policy goal. In the first case, the existence and position of T* depend entirely on the shape of the Laffer Curve. The underlying concept of the Laffer Curve only requires that tax revenue be zero at 0% and at 100%, and positive in between. It says nothing about the specific shape of the curve at points in between 0% and 100% or the position of T*.

The shape of the actual Laffer Curve might be dramatically different from the simple, single peaked curve commonly depicted. If the curve has multiple peaks, flat spots, or discontinuities, then multiple T*’s might exist. If the curve is skewed deeply to the left or right, T* might occur at extreme tax rates like 1% tax rate or a 99% tax rate, which might put tax revenue-maximizing policy into serious conflict with social equity or other policy goals. Furthermore, just as the basic concept does not necessarily imply a simply shaped curve, it does not imply that a Laffer Curve of any shape would be static. The Laffer Curve might easily shift and change shape over time, which would mean that to maximize revenue, or just avoid falling revenue, policymakers would have to constantly adjust tax rates.

This leads to the second criticism, that policymakers would be in practice unable to observe the shape of the Laffer Curve, the location of T*, whether multiple T*’s exist, or whether and how the Laffer Curve might shift over time. The only thing policymakers can reliably observe is the current tax rate and associated revenue receipts (and past combinations of rates and revenue). Economists can guess what the shape might be, but only trial and error could actually reveal the true shape of the curve, and only at those tax rates that are actually implemented. Raising or lowering tax rates might move the rate toward T*, or it might not. Moreover, if the Laffer Curve has any shape other than the assumed simple, single peaked parabola, then tax revenue at points between the current tax rate and T* could have any range of values higher or lower than revenue at the current rate and the same or lower than T*. An increase in tax revenue after a rate change would not necessarily signal that the new rate is closer to T* (nor a decrease in revenue signal that it is further away). Even worse, because tax policy changes are made and applied over time, the shape of the Laffer Curve could shift; policymakers could never know if an increase in tax revenue in response to a tax rate change represented a movement along the Laffer Curve toward T*, or a shift in the Laffer Curve itself, with a new T*. Policymakers trying to reach T* would effectively be groping in the dark after a moving target.

Lastly, it is not clear on economic grounds that maximizing or increasing government revenue (by moving toward T* on the Laffer Curve) is even an appropriate goal for choosing tax rates. It might easily be the case that a government could meet the otherwise unmet needs of its citizens and provide any necessary public goods at some level of revenue lower than the maximum it can potentially extract from the economy, perhaps much lower depending on the position of T*. If so, then given the well-researched principal-agent problems, rent-seeking, and knowledge problems that arise with the politically driven allocation of resources, putting additional funds in public coffers beyond this socially optimal level might just produce additional unnecessary social costs, inefficiencies, and dead-weight losses. Maximizing government tax revenue by taxing at T* would also likely maximize these costs. A more appropriate goal might be to reach the minimum tax revenue necessary to achieve only those socially necessary policy goals, which would seem to be almost the exact opposite of the purpose of the Laffer Curve.

hunter

(38,310 posts)
110. The wealthy derive, by far, the most benefits from an orderly well regulated society...
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:18 PM
Sep 2021

... so it makes sense they pay the most taxes.

Taxes should be steeply progressive. People living in poverty should pay little as a percentage of their income. Wealthy people should pay a high percentage of their income.

Personally, I think we should tax billionaires out of existence. For every honest humanitarian billionaire there's at least five rotten ones.

Celerity

(43,327 posts)
114. Le secret des grandes fortunes sans cause apparente est un crime
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:45 PM
Sep 2021
oublié, parce qu’il a été proprement fait.


Roughly: Behind Every Great Fortune There Is a Greater Crime

Honoré de Balzac

Le Père Goriot
Revue de Paris 1834



Voltaire2

(13,012 posts)
106. I'm so glad you found something to attack her with.
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:03 PM
Sep 2021

She indeed was likely the only person not wearing a mask, but I haven't seen the pictures. Oh wait. Yes I have. Nobody was wearing a mask in their photo op pictures. All attendees had to be vaccinated. All attendees were required to wear masks indoors.

Zeitghost

(3,858 posts)
111. The posted pictures alone
Tue Sep 14, 2021, 12:19 PM
Sep 2021

Are enough to tell me not everyone was wearing a mask indoors. When you compare threads like this one and the Obama Birthday Party threads with threads like the recent one on a Las Vegas convention here attendees were posing for photos maskless, the responses seem to go from "it's not big deal" to "they all deserve to die and are responsible for the deaths of others by continuing to spread the disease".

Yes I used a bit of hyperbole for effect there, but I do find these different responses to be peculiar.

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