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Looks like another Oath Keeper has flipped: (Original Post) Kingofalldems Sep 2021 OP
May the court show him all the mercy he would have shown his victims gratuitous Sep 2021 #1
I wonder if these guys flipping has anything to do with Roger Stone being served a subpoena today? Bev54 Sep 2021 #2
Roger Stone got a subpoena today? zuul Sep 2021 #3
IDK, but it is reported he was served a subpoena while he was on air live Bev54 Sep 2021 #5
HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA! zuul Sep 2021 #9
Allow me to add a BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! nt Carlitos Brigante Sep 2021 #17
Here is the report Bev54 Sep 2021 #7
Thank you! zuul Sep 2021 #10
Sweet malaise Sep 2021 #19
No. The two occurrences aren't related StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #11
Oh too bad, maybe on his next live interview, they can serve him with a subpoena for criminal charge Bev54 Sep 2021 #13
Only witnesses are served subpoenas in criminal cases StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #14
I can live with that Bev54 Sep 2021 #15
Isn't it possible to subpoena a person of interest wnylib Sep 2021 #23
It depends on what you mean by an investigation... reACTIONary Sep 2021 #24
So what happens if, in a criminal investigation, wnylib Sep 2021 #26
Someone other than me would have to answer that... reACTIONary Sep 2021 #32
There are plenty of other ways to gather evidence - questioning a target isn't the only way StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #34
A witness can be subpoenaed but a target of an investigation can't be compelled to testify StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #25
"The target can't be compelled to testify" wnylib Sep 2021 #27
A target cannot be compelled to answer questions, under oath or otherwise StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #28
OK. Thanks for clearing that up for me. wnylib Sep 2021 #29
Glad to do it. StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #30
Thanks! nt reACTIONary Sep 2021 #33
Whoa! Now that gives one something to look forward to! PatSeg Sep 2021 #20
He's cut a deal, but on conspiracy charges! Serious charge that means others, Hortensis Sep 2021 #4
Say that again, please StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #12
They're attorneys, but relatively high quality ones subject to scrutiny. Hortensis Sep 2021 #16
Will believe it when i see results quakerboy Sep 2021 #31
What was in that oath again? lame54 Sep 2021 #6
Jail this traitor anyway. 634-5789 Sep 2021 #8
Reading the headline, I thought to myself Grokenstein Sep 2021 #18
But but, he didn't keep his oath to the keepers Beachnutt Sep 2021 #21
Keeper of traitor Oafs. kairos12 Sep 2021 #22

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. May the court show him all the mercy he would have shown his victims
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:23 PM
Sep 2021

That goes for all his little buddies from that day.

Bev54

(10,052 posts)
5. IDK, but it is reported he was served a subpoena while he was on air live
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:37 PM
Sep 2021

for some RW talk show, he said it was a subpoena regarding 1/6, that was all.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
11. No. The two occurrences aren't related
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:51 PM
Sep 2021

The plea was in a criminal case while the subpoena was for a civil lawsuit.

Bev54

(10,052 posts)
13. Oh too bad, maybe on his next live interview, they can serve him with a subpoena for criminal charge
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:53 PM
Sep 2021
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. Only witnesses are served subpoenas in criminal cases
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:56 PM
Sep 2021

If he's a defendant, he would be served with an arrest warrant.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
23. Isn't it possible to subpoena a person of interest
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:46 PM
Sep 2021

to appear for questioning during an investigation?

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
24. It depends on what you mean by an investigation...
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:41 PM
Sep 2021

... if you are thinking of an inquisitional proceeding, like a legislative committee or a grand jury, yes. I don't think that applies to a criminal investigation conducted by law enforcement. They might "bring 'em in for questioning", but that wouldn't be done with a subpoena.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
26. So what happens if, in a criminal investigation,
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 11:10 PM
Sep 2021

the person of interest refuses to be brought in for questioning? There has to be some way to proceed with an investigation.

reACTIONary

(5,770 posts)
32. Someone other than me would have to answer that...
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:12 AM
Sep 2021

... but an arrest might be the only solution, outside of a grand jury subpoena. Even if arrested, we actually do have the right to ignore police questions outside of a limited line of inquiry - for instance, asking for identification. You can always say, sorry, my lawyers told me not to say anything, go talk to them.

My understanding is that StarfishSaver is a lawyer, so he might be able to give us more exact information.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
34. There are plenty of other ways to gather evidence - questioning a target isn't the only way
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:17 AM
Sep 2021

Eyewitnesses and other corroborating witnesses, phone and computer records, travel documents, video, etc.

In fact, interviewing a target is one of the least effective parts of an investigation - and usually only occurs at the end of the process after the other evidence is collected - since they aren't likely to be helpful, if they answer questions at all.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
27. "The target can't be compelled to testify"
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 11:16 PM
Sep 2021

Does that mean testify under oath? I know that people are protected by the constitution from testifying against themselves under oath. But what about just answering questions in an ongoing investigation, not under oath? Can they be compelled to do that? Cops take people into the station house all the time for questioning. How do they do that?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
28. A target cannot be compelled to answer questions, under oath or otherwise
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 11:20 PM
Sep 2021

No one can be required to answer questions if they believe they could incriminate themselves, even if they aren't under oath.

Yes, cops take people to the station for questioning. But they don't have to answer questions and, if they're not under arrest, they don't have to go.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
4. He's cut a deal, but on conspiracy charges! Serious charge that means others,
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:36 PM
Sep 2021

probably at least one higher up, and significant information. The feds don't do deals to be nice.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
16. They're attorneys, but relatively high quality ones subject to scrutiny.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 05:57 PM
Sep 2021

I don't imagine they're going after him out out malice. It might require some faith, but I do believe hey have legitimate and honest purposes they'll be able to explain in full in public when the time comes.

quakerboy

(13,920 posts)
31. Will believe it when i see results
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 01:56 AM
Sep 2021

People stormed the capital with intent to capture or kill elected congresspeople and overthrow the government during the election process.

And so far, its been slaps on the wrist.

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
18. Reading the headline, I thought to myself
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:09 PM
Sep 2021

"Oh man, is that 'flipped' as in 'rolled over on his homies'? Or 'flipped' as in 'went berserk and murdered a bunch of people'?"

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