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wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:00 PM Sep 2021

Rice tanked prescription drugs. Dem leaders picked her over AOC

Last edited Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:44 PM - Edit history (1)

A reminder:


Rep. Kathleen Rice has captured a prized seat on the House Energy and Commerce Committee after a contentious showdown with fellow New Yorker, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/17/kathleen-rice-aoc-house-committee-448001

Edit: Apparently, since a lot of people seem to be confused about this post, this is in response to today's news

Democrats suffer blow on drug pricing as 3 moderates buck party


Democrats' signature legislation to lower drug prices was defeated in a House committee on Wednesday as three moderate Democrats voted against their party.

Reps. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.), Scott Peters (D-Calif.), and Kathleen Rice (D-N.Y.) voted against the measure to allow the secretary of Health and Human Services to negotiate lower drug prices, a long-held goal of Democrats

(snip)

The three lawmakers had long signaled their concerns with the drug pricing measure, but actually voting it down in the House Energy and Commerce Committee is an escalation.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/572447-democrats-suffer-blow-on-drug-pricing-as-3-moderates-buck-party
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Rice tanked prescription drugs. Dem leaders picked her over AOC (Original Post) wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 OP
LMAO aocommunalpunch Sep 2021 #1
The Dems who spoke against AOC cited her pushing primary challenges NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #2
'Bipartisan' capability seems worthwhile empedocles Sep 2021 #11
She's an energetic young lady with a lot to learn about legislation calguy Sep 2021 #13
I think she'll get there though, someday. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #22
I hope she does. She's got enormous energy. Just needs to learn how to channel it. calguy Sep 2021 #74
What should she learn? questionseverything Sep 2021 #29
+1 n/t area51 Sep 2021 #42
On a $/year basis I think you'll be surprised at the "lot of money to be made protecting big pharma" George II Sep 2021 #44
I think she's supposed to give up on the Green New Deal and Medicare For All. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #62
No one knows if they're "small, feeble ideas" or if they're "bad things" or good things.... George II Sep 2021 #71
+1000 myccrider Sep 2021 #72
If i was pelosi I would be re assigning those "moderates" questionseverything Sep 2021 #91
LOL - definitely not that! NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #75
I am guessing you have never had to skip a dose of medicine because you couldn't afford it questionseverything Sep 2021 #92
I'd be laughing all the more. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #113
I hope she never becomes a corrupt corporate insider as you seem to wish questionseverything Sep 2021 #115
Show me exactly where I said she should become a corrupt corporate insider! NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #116
You lol at people' s pain was cruel and rude questionseverything Sep 2021 #117
Those "moderates" always doing what they can for Bettie Sep 2021 #3
In spite of the headline, there is no mention of drugs in the article. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #4
It's about this Bettie Sep 2021 #5
That article is from last December PatSeg Sep 2021 #8
Please follow current events wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #19
Sounds like some rebels need to join the Majorie Greene club. Nt Fiendish Thingy Sep 2021 #23
Whoa! That is not good. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #25
When you vote against something supported by 81% of the people wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #53
BigPharma is so worried about this legislation they are running TV ads in the Cleveland market Doremus Sep 2021 #26
That wasn't mentioned originally in the post PatSeg Sep 2021 #54
The bill wasn't "tanked". Ways and Means voted to advance it. lapucelle Sep 2021 #99
There are no major pharmaceutical companies in her District. There are two major beaches, however. George II Sep 2021 #7
It's not complicated wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #21
None of them received any contributions from "Pharma", that's illegal. By the way... George II Sep 2021 #24
It's all on OpenSecrets wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #30
Exactly, and I gave you those numbers WITH the opensecrets link. George II Sep 2021 #33
Did you overlook this link? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #36
Wow, a whopping $21,000 from each. Now do the other one, 'kay? George II Sep 2021 #38
Correct, it's not complicated: George II Sep 2021 #27
That's from a single election cycle, sport wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #31
The most recent, sport. George II Sep 2021 #32
$2 million is over entire careers wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #37
Why not do $ per year, that would make more sense, dontcha think? Obviously someone.... George II Sep 2021 #39
AOC is bought by the evil education lobby? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #40
I was pretty clear in what I said/asked. Let's do a $ per year, 'kay? George II Sep 2021 #43
And Big Education seems to be the winner wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #46
Stumped? Hey, you're the one lecturing about it not being "complicated". C'mon, give it a stab, 'kay George II Sep 2021 #47
I did, but I honestly need help wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #49
That happened nine months ago. George II Sep 2021 #6
Democrats are always expected to know what's going to happen in the future. betsuni Sep 2021 #12
"Semantics games. Perfect." LanternWaste Sep 2021 #9
I think the "deeper meaning" is ancient history, this is an article from last December. George II Sep 2021 #10
Why are you posting an article from Dec. 2020? mcar Sep 2021 #14
I prefer real Democrats over members of the Justice Democrats group LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #15
When the Steering and Policy Committee voted on the candidates for that seat way back.... George II Sep 2021 #16
There were very valid reasons for these 46 Democrats to prefer Rice over Cortez LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #18
It wasn't that she didn't pay her dues, it was the reason she gave for not doing so.... George II Sep 2021 #20
Yes. Many considerations go into assignments, including Hortensis Sep 2021 #100
"Just Us" Democrats PatSeg Sep 2021 #55
The podcast was very weak LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #68
Not enough popcorn in the world for this Sympthsical Sep 2021 #17
It looks like you'll be disappointed. NH Ethylene Sep 2021 #28
K & R Thank You! Budi Sep 2021 #35
I understand that Saikat Chakrabarti resigned on August 2 2019 to "write the GND", and.... George II Sep 2021 #41
Wow. So there never was a real GND? Just a borrowed slogan from a previous Democrat? Budi Sep 2021 #50
Obama, but some people refuse to believe it. betsuni Sep 2021 #59
This op is about how the rep that got the committee assignment questionseverything Sep 2021 #45
No she didn't, and obviously no one is supporting "derailing" the president's plan. George II Sep 2021 #48
Except she did wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #77
Well stated. sheshe2 Sep 2021 #52
ON the other hand some people believe that AOC must be hated at all times Bettie Sep 2021 #64
That's where you need to read for content instead of just assuming that anything with AOC Nixie Sep 2021 #105
Looking at the thread Sympthsical Sep 2021 #114
Aren't you concerned about the attack on Kathleen Rice, which is the subject of the OP? George II Sep 2021 #34
Man, ya just never know what life has in store from one day to the next, huh. Budi Sep 2021 #51
I say we check the Rice family stock portfolio. Vinca Sep 2021 #56
She's no 'moderate' either. Budi Sep 2021 #57
Why? Her Financial Disclosure is on file with the House clerk. Are we now going to second guess.... George II Sep 2021 #58
Better question is, Who Has Big Pharma Contributed To ? Budi Sep 2021 #61
Yes there is. Opensecrets analyzes and compiles the numbers.... George II Sep 2021 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Budi Sep 2021 #66
Senators List. WOW? I'd have guessed # 5,6,7,8,9 would be at the Top. Budi Sep 2021 #67
Thank you for posting this LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #70
Wow! Bernie Sanders is #1 !!! NurseJackie Sep 2021 #73
And yet he pushes for Medicare For All wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #78
Evidence that the "beholden" because of contributions thing doesn't exist. betsuni Sep 2021 #81
It just shows what influences bad actors wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #82
How do you know? betsuni Sep 2021 #83
Lulz. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #85
Actually it shows your faulty logic. Sadly. Nixie Sep 2021 #108
No... not really. It's never going to happen. It's a waste of time. Better to strengthen the ACA. NurseJackie Sep 2021 #84
Joe Biden ran on strengthening and expanding the ACA. He's President today. George II Sep 2021 #86
Well... the people have spoken. Haven't they? NurseJackie Sep 2021 #87
The ACA saved my life Just_Vote_Dem Sep 2021 #94
How much will this plan cost and will we pay for it in the real world? LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #96
Jacob Javits would be proud: George II Sep 2021 #98
What's the objection again? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #101
Read what Senator Jacob Javits proposed back in 1970. It's entirely different from what's now.... George II Sep 2021 #112
I don't get the whole "beholden" thing. betsuni Sep 2021 #80
So why vote against price negotiation? wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #102
Reasons: being wrong, bad advice, incorrect information, being an asshole. betsuni Sep 2021 #103
OMG, Bernie Sanders is the No. 1 recipient?? Wow Nixie Sep 2021 #107
A reminder: the "contentious showdown" resulted in Rice getting the seat by a vote of 46-13.... George II Sep 2021 #60
Wow. It's kinda hard to dispute those #'s! 46-13 favored Kathleen Rice. Budi Sep 2021 #63
Those people clearly made the wrong choice wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #79
No, and no. George II Sep 2021 #88
While you're editing, could you edit the subject? It implies Rice "tanked" the provision and THEN... George II Sep 2021 #69
Not until you can tell me why it makes sense to vote against drug price negotiation wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #76
I think you should ask those three. Did they give reasons? Perhaps they have.... George II Sep 2021 #89
81% ? I think that number might be somewhat inflated. George II Sep 2021 #90
Answer the question please wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #93
I didn't participate in the vote and haven't seen the wording of the document, so.... George II Sep 2021 #95
You can read the statements they put out wellst0nev0ter Sep 2021 #97
The subject line is flat-out wrong. The provisions aren't tanked. Way and Means voted to advance lapucelle Sep 2021 #104
Great correction post again, lapucelle. This thread should be locked for the completely delusional Nixie Sep 2021 #106
Plus the subject line was written to give the impression that there was a quid pro quo involved: George II Sep 2021 #109
The subject line is flat-out wrong on another count: Rice was elected to her seat on that committee lapucelle Sep 2021 #110
The vote was 46-13, 78% of the members of the Steering and Policy Committee voted for Rice. George II Sep 2021 #111

NH Ethylene

(30,809 posts)
2. The Dems who spoke against AOC cited her pushing primary challenges
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:20 PM
Sep 2021

for incumbent Democrats in red states. Also stated was the need to work on bipartisan proposals in the next year, and AOC is an unblinking proponent of the Green New Deal and Medicare for All.

She still has a lot to learn about working with others. This may be a powerful lesson for her.

calguy

(5,306 posts)
13. She's an energetic young lady with a lot to learn about legislation
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:45 PM
Sep 2021

She's got a good heart and great intentions, but until she learns how legislation actual gets done, she's nothing more than a loud voice with a GOP target on her back.

NH Ethylene

(30,809 posts)
22. I think she'll get there though, someday.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:43 PM
Sep 2021

She is smart and ambitious. She will learn from this loss.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
29. What should she learn?
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:02 PM
Sep 2021

Because the 3 representatives in the article evidently have learned there is a lot of money to be made protecting big pharma

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
62. I think she's supposed to give up on the Green New Deal and Medicare For All.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:57 AM
Sep 2021

Because we prefer small, feeble ideas.



Weird that these things would be cited here as if they are bad things.

George II

(67,782 posts)
71. No one knows if they're "small, feeble ideas" or if they're "bad things" or good things....
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:56 PM
Sep 2021

Neither one has been fully developed yet or presented in actionable legislation.

myccrider

(484 posts)
72. +1000
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 04:06 PM
Sep 2021

So they put a moderate on an important committee, not AOC, so it would be less divisive? because AOC needed her hand slapped? to appease the moderates?

And the moderates turn around and torpedo one of the most desired Democratic goals of the last 60+ years!?!? Is that how you get legislation done?

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
91. If i was pelosi I would be re assigning those "moderates"
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:04 PM
Sep 2021

To the dung heap committee

This change would of saved taxpayers millions and made people healthier because they wouldn’t have to skip doses

NH Ethylene

(30,809 posts)
75. LOL - definitely not that!
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 05:58 PM
Sep 2021

She needs to be able to work with other lawmakers to get things done. She is a force of nature, which is admirable. But if all that passion and single-minded commitment means she is hard to work with on committees, she won't be appointed to them.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
92. I am guessing you have never had to skip a dose of medicine because you couldn't afford it
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:09 PM
Sep 2021

Because if you had you wouldn’t be laughing

You are defending these three rep who are doing big pharma’s bidding as “easy to work with “

This won’t be our last try

NH Ethylene

(30,809 posts)
113. I'd be laughing all the more.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 11:22 AM
Sep 2021

Because that is the only way I've found to keep my sanity when times are tough.

Get upset at me all you want but the bottom line is that AOC did not get picked for that committee, and that means she can't be as effective as promoting the policies that she cares about.

I think she should learn from that and do better, but hey, she can continue on as-is and just be a progressive figurehead. She still does a lot of good things and gets publicity for Dem causes that is helpful.

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
115. I hope she never becomes a corrupt corporate insider as you seem to wish
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 02:44 PM
Sep 2021

President Biden can’t help the country while he has pretend dems in the way

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
117. You lol at people' s pain was cruel and rude
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 07:15 PM
Sep 2021

Over and over you have belittled aoc as ineffective while ignoring the the corrupt actions of the three reps trying to derail drug pricing reform

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
3. Those "moderates" always doing what they can for
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:20 PM
Sep 2021

their constituents.

Apparently hers are pharma companies that don't want to negotiate prices in the US as they do in other nations.

NH Ethylene

(30,809 posts)
4. In spite of the headline, there is no mention of drugs in the article.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:23 PM
Sep 2021

So I don't even understand what the title means.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
5. It's about this
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:26 PM
Sep 2021
https://www.speaker.gov/LowerDrugCosts

How The Lower Drug Costs Now Act Works
With the Lower Drug Costs Now Act, House Democrats are taking bold action to level the playing field for American patients and taxpayers, delivering on one of the top priorities of our For The People agenda. This bill:

Gives Medicare the power to negotiate directly with the drug companies, and creates strong new tools to force drug companies to the table to agree to real price reductions, while ensuring seniors never lose access to the prescriptions they need.

Makes the lower drug prices negotiated by Medicare available to Americans with private insurance, not just Medicare beneficiaries.

Stops drug companies ripping off Americans while charging other countries less for the same drugs, limiting the maximum price for any negotiated drug to the average price in countries like ours, where drug companies charge less for the same drugs – and admit they still make a profit.

Creates a new, $2,000 out-of-pocket limit on prescription drug costs for Medicare beneficiaries, and reverses years of unfair price hikes above inflation across thousands of drugs in Medicare.

Reinvests in innovation and the search for new cures and treatments, using some of the savings from lowering the unjustified drug prices that are bankrolling Big Pharma’s stock-buybacks to reinvest billions of dollars in the search for new breakthrough treatments and cures at the National Institutes of Health.
 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
19. Please follow current events
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:38 PM
Sep 2021
Democrats suffer blow on drug pricing as 3 moderates buck party

Democrats' signature legislation to lower drug prices was defeated in a House committee on Wednesday as three moderate Democrats voted against their party.
Reps. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.), Scott Peters (D-Calif.), and Kathleen Rice (D-N.Y.)
voted against the measure to allow the secretary of Health and Human Services to
negotiate lower drug prices, a long-held goal of Democrats.

Rep Peters warned that "government-dictated prices" under the bill would
cause harm to the "private investment" that backs drug development.

The vote is a striking setback for Democrats' $3.5 trillion package. Drug pricing is intended to be a key way to pay for the package. Leadership can still add a version of the provision back later in the process, but the move shows the depth of some moderate concerns.

The three lawmakers had long signaled their concerns with the drug pricing measure, but actually voting it down in the House Energy and Commerce Committee is an escalation. Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Frank Pallone Jr. (D-N.J.) had implored the three lawmakers to vote in favor of the measure to at least keep the process going.


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215859304

NH Ethylene

(30,809 posts)
25. Whoa! That is not good.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:48 PM
Sep 2021

Thank you for explaining this. I am another DU'er who has not kept up with current events, although in my defense, it did just happen today.

On edit - I don't remember the NYer contest for the committee from last December, so thought that was new news also.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
53. When you vote against something supported by 81% of the people
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:44 AM
Sep 2021

That doesn't make you a moderate or a centrist.

I wish the people caping for Rice in this thread can explain her vote to me like I'm 3 years old

Doremus

(7,261 posts)
26. BigPharma is so worried about this legislation they are running TV ads in the Cleveland market
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:51 PM
Sep 2021

Imploring people to contact their representatives to oppose drug price negotiating, which will have horrible unexpected effects for people suffering from chronic illnesses.

History proves that if they play the message often and loud enough, people will eventually believe it.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
54. That wasn't mentioned originally in the post
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 03:49 AM
Sep 2021

and I do follow current events daily, but I can't always get to every story. I appreciate you updating the post, but there was no need to be condescending.

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
99. The bill wasn't "tanked". Ways and Means voted to advance it.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:53 PM
Sep 2021
A separate committee, the House Ways and Means Committee, did advance the drug pricing measures on Wednesday, [September 15] keeping the provisions in play for later in the process.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/572447-democrats-suffer-blow-on-drug-pricing-as-3-moderates-buck-party

Does the House Ways and Means committee voting to advance the bill the qualify as a current event?

George II

(67,782 posts)
7. There are no major pharmaceutical companies in her District. There are two major beaches, however.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:31 PM
Sep 2021

George II

(67,782 posts)
24. None of them received any contributions from "Pharma", that's illegal. By the way...
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:46 PM
Sep 2021

....there was no "signature drug pricing bill" to tank.

George II

(67,782 posts)
27. Correct, it's not complicated:
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:01 PM
Sep 2021
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary.php?ind=H04&recipdetail=H&sortorder=A&mem=Y&cycle=2020

"The numbers on this page are based on contributions from PACs and individuals giving $200 or more."

Peters, Scott (D-CA) $229,973
Schrader, Kurt (D-OR) $144,252
Rice, Kathleen (D-NY) $15,277

Total $389.502

That's a far cry from $2M, wouldn't you say?

I highlighted Kathleen Rice because she's the one you attacked in your OP using a 9-month old article. A whopping $15,277!!!

Oh, one more:

Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria (D-NY) $114,488








George II

(67,782 posts)
39. Why not do $ per year, that would make more sense, dontcha think? Obviously someone....
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:40 PM
Sep 2021

....in office more years would have "higher" $ totals.

Peters: 8 years
Rice: 6 years
Schrader: 12 years

So, a total of 26 years and $2M, that's $76,00 per year.

Now compare that to the OTHER person you referred to in your OP, 'kay? I think you'll be surprised.

Anxiously awaiting your research. Thanks in advance.

betsuni

(25,462 posts)
12. Democrats are always expected to know what's going to happen in the future.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 07:44 PM
Sep 2021

This way diabolical both sides bad intentions and plots to stop progress and whatnot can be assumed.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,129 posts)
15. I prefer real Democrats over members of the Justice Democrats group
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:06 PM
Sep 2021

I am on the Justice Democrats email list and I occasionally listen to their podcast which is amusingly called “Just Us” Democrats . I had fun laughing at today’s email from Nina about Just Us Democrats The hatred that this group has for regular or establishment/corporate democrats is really sad. I am planning to donate to Hakeem’s Team Blue PAC due to these sad but hateful emails. I note that Nina lost in part due to being a member of the Just Us Democrats. I am glad endorsed by Jim Clyburn. Hillary Clinton and other real Democrats won this primary.

According to the 8 month old article posted in the OP, several members on this committee voted against Cortez due to her membership in the Just Us Democrats and not paying party dues. These are valid reasons for 46 members of this committee to vote for tho other candidate.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. When the Steering and Policy Committee voted on the candidates for that seat way back....
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:15 PM
Sep 2021

....on December 16, the vote was 46-13 in favor of Kathleen Rice.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,129 posts)
18. There were very valid reasons for these 46 Democrats to prefer Rice over Cortez
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:30 PM
Sep 2021

Not paying her dues is a big deal

George II

(67,782 posts)
20. It wasn't that she didn't pay her dues, it was the reason she gave for not doing so....
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:40 PM
Sep 2021

...and what she did instead.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
100. Yes. Many considerations go into assignments, including
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:54 PM
Sep 2021

achieving geographic balance. Both Rice and Ocasio represent NY. Rice wanted judiciary, but it already had 2 reps from NY.

Sympthsical

(9,072 posts)
17. Not enough popcorn in the world for this
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:21 PM
Sep 2021

The attacks on AOC will fly thick in the hopes that everyone will just ignore how moderates screwed over millions of Americans.

But we've already gotten defenses of coal companies and a "journalist" who thinks the Deep State stole the election from Trump from this segment of the party this week. Where we can go from here is anyone's guess.

My expectations are high. If it's not at least, "Why this pharma CEO's corruption is more awesome than AOC's grandmother," I will be severely disappointed.

NH Ethylene

(30,809 posts)
28. It looks like you'll be disappointed.
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:02 PM
Sep 2021

I am willing to criticize AOC when she deserves it, and give her kudos when merited. Overall I like her. I think I am typical of those who make critical comments at times.

The problem is that some people don't appreciate the nuance, and believe that AOC must be adored at all times. I abhor anything resembling a cult and will sometimes put forth a sharp comment just to break the spell.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
35. K & R Thank You!
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:10 PM
Sep 2021

I'm still waiting for them to write a bill for their GND or M4A.
Till then its a worthy slogan.
If change is that big a deal then put it out there, because as legislators, they have been given the power to do so.

George II

(67,782 posts)
41. I understand that Saikat Chakrabarti resigned on August 2 2019 to "write the GND", and....
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:46 PM
Sep 2021

....just a week or so ago on Twitter he was talking about "still working on it"!

On August 2, 2019, Representative Ocasio-Cortez announced that Saikat Chakrabarti "has decided to leave the office to work with New Consensus to further develop plans for a Green New Deal."


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saikat_Chakrabarti#Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez_chief_of_staff
 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
50. Wow. So there never was a real GND? Just a borrowed slogan from a previous Democrat?
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 11:17 PM
Sep 2021

Who was that? Obama, Kerry...?

questionseverything

(9,651 posts)
45. This op is about how the rep that got the committee assignment
Wed Sep 15, 2021, 09:56 PM
Sep 2021

Aoc wanted

The rep from ny that received that assignment refused to back president Biden’s plan for saving. Money by negotiating drug prices

Are you supporting derailing the president’s plan?

sheshe2

(83,744 posts)
52. Well stated.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 12:28 AM
Sep 2021

Thank you.

The problem is that some people don't appreciate the nuance, and believe that AOC must be adored at all times. I abhor anything resembling a cult and will sometimes put forth a sharp comment just to break the spell.

Bettie

(16,089 posts)
64. ON the other hand some people believe that AOC must be hated at all times
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:29 AM
Sep 2021

and swarm any thread she is so much as mentioned in to talk about how very much they despise her.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
105. That's where you need to read for content instead of just assuming that anything with AOC
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:05 AM
Sep 2021

in the headline is a pass to gossip about other DUers --- again. The content of the responses show that this thread was again a completely bogus boatload of misinformation about other Democrats -- something you should expect to see corrected here. U betcha.

Sympthsical

(9,072 posts)
114. Looking at the thread
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 11:42 AM
Sep 2021

Newp! This went exactly as expected.

Long, luxurious strokes, like an Olympic swimmer on cooldown.

George II

(67,782 posts)
58. Why? Her Financial Disclosure is on file with the House clerk. Are we now going to second guess....
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:35 AM
Sep 2021

...every legislator on motives for their votes? Most Representatives hold extensive town halls to get the feel for what their constituents want. Not every one does but I'm sure she did.

I don't see any questionable investments in her disclosure.

https://disclosures-clerk.house.gov/public_disc/financial-pdfs/2020/10041918.pdf

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
61. Better question is, Who Has Big Pharma Contributed To ?
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:56 AM
Sep 2021

Who in our Senate & House have benefitted from Pharma contributions.

There must be a source for that info as well.



George II

(67,782 posts)
65. Yes there is. Opensecrets analyzes and compiles the numbers....
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:32 AM
Sep 2021

Representatives in the last cycle:

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=H04&cycle=2020&recipdetail=H&mem=Y&sortorder=U

1 McCarthy, Kevin (R-CA) $446,334
2 Hudson, Richard (R-NC) $276,993
3 Scalise, Steve (R-LA) $273,427
4 Pallone, Frank Jr (D-NJ) $256,925
5 Eshoo, Anna (D-CA) $248,350
6 Peters, Scott (D-CA) $229,973
7 Brady, Kevin (R-TX) $218,000
8 Guthrie, Brett (R-KY) $210,464
9 Neal, Richard E (D-MA) $206,500
10 Carter, Buddy (R-GA) $185,200
11 Bucshon, Larry (R-IN) $184,254
12 Schneider, Brad (D-IL) $175,599
13 Kelly, Robin (D-IL) $169,050
14 Kind, Ron (D-WI) $165,763
15 Rodgers, Cathy McMorris (R-WA) $163,877
16 Ruiz, Raul (D-CA) $155,575
17 Burgess, Michael (R-TX) $155,050
18 Nunes, Devin (R-CA) $154,141
19 Pelosi, Nancy (D-CA) $151,122
20 Upton, Fred (R-MI) $146,864

Senators in the last cycle:

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=H04&recipdetail=S&sortorder=U&mem=Y&cycle=2020

1 Sanders, Bernie (I-VT) $1,264,615
2 Ossoff, Jon (D-GA) $865,823
3 Warnock, Raphael (D-GA) $765,716
4 Warren, Elizabeth (D-MA) $718,163
5 McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) $556,990
6 Kelly, Mark (D-AZ) $542,307
7 Perdue, David (R-GA) $535,908
8 Loeffler, Kelly (R-GA) $513,231
9 Tillis, Thom (R-NC) $471,884
10 Peters, Gary (D-MI) $370,562
11 Cornyn, John (R-TX) $326,496
12 Gardner, Cory (R-CO) $323,583
13 Graham, Lindsey (R-SC) $309,666
14 Klobuchar, Amy (D-MN) $288,988
15 Daines, Steven (R-MT) $282,838
16 Jones, Doug (D-AL) $276,531
17 Hickenlooper, John (D-CO) $255,760
18 Ernst, Joni (R-IA) $249,961
19 McSally, Martha (R-AZ) $249,136
20 Cassidy, Bill (R-LA) $236,547

Response to George II (Reply #65)

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
67. Senators List. WOW? I'd have guessed # 5,6,7,8,9 would be at the Top.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 10:45 AM
Sep 2021

I'm rather stunned to see the Top 4.
1 Sanders, Bernie (I-VT) $1,264,615


Hmmm. BIG PHARMA, huh.
Bookmarking this one.

Thanks for the link

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
82. It just shows what influences bad actors
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:21 PM
Sep 2021

Those who buck the trend of donations are the exceptions, sadly

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
84. No... not really. It's never going to happen. It's a waste of time. Better to strengthen the ACA.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:23 PM
Sep 2021

I just know that I couldn't support or trust anyone who's beholden to "big pharma"... so I understand where you're coming from on that point. We don't agree often, but in this instance... we may have found some common ground.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,129 posts)
96. How much will this plan cost and will we pay for it in the real world?
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:21 PM
Sep 2021

Warren tried to come up with a plan and a way to pay for it that fell apart so fast that it was sad. Plans need to be paid fir in the real world.

George II

(67,782 posts)
112. Read what Senator Jacob Javits proposed back in 1970. It's entirely different from what's now....
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:32 AM
Sep 2021

....being touted under the purloined "Medicare For All" slogan. Javits' plan had meat on it, and it was implementable without drastically uprooting existing plans and systems.

Same as the currently existing ACA with strengthening and expansion.

betsuni

(25,462 posts)
80. I don't get the whole "beholden" thing.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:09 PM
Sep 2021

As we can see, some senators receive large contributions, yet they don't vote against Pharma price reforms. Money isn't automatically corrupting.

Yet Democrats are constantly accused of being corrupt, bribed, "corporate Dems," of "taking money" from Big Pharma and Wall Street and wealthy donors, etc., and thus immoral and "ideologically bankrupt." The pure just receive contributions, the corrupt "take" money.

Three representatives voted against lower Pharma prices. Why the rush to scream corruption because they received some contributions from people in the Pharma industry? They can be bought off that easily, and on record? They can't just be wrong? More conservative? There has to be some nefarious conspiracy theory?

Tired of it, it's stupid. I blame the person who started it.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
102. So why vote against price negotiation?
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:56 PM
Sep 2021

It's supported by 81% of the people. Being against it makes no sense at all.

betsuni

(25,462 posts)
103. Reasons: being wrong, bad advice, incorrect information, being an asshole.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 05:08 AM
Sep 2021

Like a representative voting for a budget bill including funding for ICE and after getting criticism from supporters, voting against the next budget bill, the only Democrat to do so, because of funding for ICE. But that bill didn't include any funding for Homeland Security, no funding for iCE. Oops, wrong. Bad advice, incorrect information, not reading the bill carefully. No CTs necessary.

To be all dramatic and CT, how about blackmail or threats? GOP/Putin love that, and it costs nothing. Bribes cost money. Seems easier and thriftier.

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
107. OMG, Bernie Sanders is the No. 1 recipient?? Wow
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:11 AM
Sep 2021

Just Wow.

I can remember years of nasty assumptions about "wall street speeches" and how just the mere mention of Wall Street brought them running on about "corruption." It's interesting how standards change so quickly.

George II

(67,782 posts)
60. A reminder: the "contentious showdown" resulted in Rice getting the seat by a vote of 46-13....
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:50 AM
Sep 2021

That's 78% of the vote of the members on the Steering and Policy Committee.

You're implying that Representative Rice had ulterior motives for voting against inclusion of that measure.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
63. Wow. It's kinda hard to dispute those #'s! 46-13 favored Kathleen Rice.
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 09:59 AM
Sep 2021

What's left to argue?

George II

(67,782 posts)
69. While you're editing, could you edit the subject? It implies Rice "tanked" the provision and THEN...
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 11:26 AM
Sep 2021

....got the seat on the committee, almost as a reward.

It was the other way around, and the two happened nine months apart.

TIA.

 

wellst0nev0ter

(7,509 posts)
76. Not until you can tell me why it makes sense to vote against drug price negotiation
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 06:32 PM
Sep 2021

That provision is supported by 81% of the people. How is opposing it in any way moderate?

George II

(67,782 posts)
89. I think you should ask those three. Did they give reasons? Perhaps they have....
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 07:37 PM
Sep 2021

....a better provision to include in the bill.

PS - you subject line still implies that Rice got that seat on the committee a a reward for "tanking" the provision. That's totally untrue, she got the seat 9 months before the vote took place.

She got the seat because she's far more experienced in her professional career.

George II

(67,782 posts)
95. I didn't participate in the vote and haven't seen the wording of the document, so....
Thu Sep 16, 2021, 08:20 PM
Sep 2021

....it may be that they haven't done what you're saying they did.

Do you have the text?

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
104. The subject line is flat-out wrong. The provisions aren't tanked. Way and Means voted to advance
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 07:01 AM
Sep 2021

the bill with the provisions in it.

One of the problems is that random people spread bias-confirming misinformation on twitter and then the bogus story lines take hold and are amplified.

House Ways and Means Committee Advances Drug Pricing Reform
September 16, 2021

The House Ways and Means Committee voted 24-19 yesterday to advance the Build Back Better Act with drug pricing reform provisions, shortly after the same reforms failed to make it into the House Energy & Commerce Committee’s version.

https://www.fdanews.com/articles/204435-house-ways-and-means-committee-advances-drug-pricing-reform?v=preview

Nixie

(16,950 posts)
106. Great correction post again, lapucelle. This thread should be locked for the completely delusional
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:07 AM
Sep 2021

track it has taken slamming other Democrats all for gratuitous and unnecessary divisiveness.

George II

(67,782 posts)
109. Plus the subject line was written to give the impression that there was a quid pro quo involved:
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:35 AM
Sep 2021

"Tank the provision and we'll give you the seat", even though the two events happened 9 months apart and in reverse order. It's like Rice was lying in wait for nine months for an opportunity to repay "Dem leaders".

Then there's the dig that the three who voted against it got huge amounts of money, $2M, to do so, as though their votes were "bought" by "big pharma" in their districts. Fact is that's a cumulative number over the entire collective careers of the three - a total of 26 years in office, but Rice doesn't even have any "big pharma" in her district and she received only $21,000.

Then we find out that in just the 2020 cycle a single elected official got more than half that total!

lapucelle

(18,250 posts)
110. The subject line is flat-out wrong on another count: Rice was elected to her seat on that committee
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 09:46 AM
Sep 2021

by fellow Democrats. Nobody "picked" her.

So, to review, the drug pricing provisions weren't tanked, and Democratic leaders did not "pick" Rice for the committee seat.

This appears to be another instance of divisive disinformation masquerading as "news about current events" on twitter.

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