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Last edited Wed Sep 15, 2021, 08:44 PM - Edit history (1)
A reminder:
Rep. Kathleen Rice has captured a prized seat on the House Energy and Commerce Committee after a contentious showdown with fellow New Yorker, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/12/17/kathleen-rice-aoc-house-committee-448001
Edit: Apparently, since a lot of people seem to be confused about this post, this is in response to today's news
Democrats' signature legislation to lower drug prices was defeated in a House committee on Wednesday as three moderate Democrats voted against their party.
Reps. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.), Scott Peters (D-Calif.), and Kathleen Rice (D-N.Y.) voted against the measure to allow the secretary of Health and Human Services to negotiate lower drug prices, a long-held goal of Democrats
(snip)
The three lawmakers had long signaled their concerns with the drug pricing measure, but actually voting it down in the House Energy and Commerce Committee is an escalation.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/572447-democrats-suffer-blow-on-drug-pricing-as-3-moderates-buck-party
aocommunalpunch
(4,236 posts)What WOULD Occam say about this?
NH Ethylene
(30,809 posts)for incumbent Democrats in red states. Also stated was the need to work on bipartisan proposals in the next year, and AOC is an unblinking proponent of the Green New Deal and Medicare for All.
She still has a lot to learn about working with others. This may be a powerful lesson for her.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)calguy
(5,306 posts)She's got a good heart and great intentions, but until she learns how legislation actual gets done, she's nothing more than a loud voice with a GOP target on her back.
NH Ethylene
(30,809 posts)She is smart and ambitious. She will learn from this loss.
calguy
(5,306 posts)questionseverything
(9,651 posts)Because the 3 representatives in the article evidently have learned there is a lot of money to be made protecting big pharma
area51
(11,906 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Because we prefer small, feeble ideas.
Weird that these things would be cited here as if they are bad things.
George II
(67,782 posts)Neither one has been fully developed yet or presented in actionable legislation.
myccrider
(484 posts)So they put a moderate on an important committee, not AOC, so it would be less divisive? because AOC needed her hand slapped? to appease the moderates?
And the moderates turn around and torpedo one of the most desired Democratic goals of the last 60+ years!?!? Is that how you get legislation done?
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)To the dung heap committee
This change would of saved taxpayers millions and made people healthier because they wouldnt have to skip doses
NH Ethylene
(30,809 posts)She needs to be able to work with other lawmakers to get things done. She is a force of nature, which is admirable. But if all that passion and single-minded commitment means she is hard to work with on committees, she won't be appointed to them.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)Because if you had you wouldnt be laughing
You are defending these three rep who are doing big pharmas bidding as easy to work with
This wont be our last try
NH Ethylene
(30,809 posts)Because that is the only way I've found to keep my sanity when times are tough.
Get upset at me all you want but the bottom line is that AOC did not get picked for that committee, and that means she can't be as effective as promoting the policies that she cares about.
I think she should learn from that and do better, but hey, she can continue on as-is and just be a progressive figurehead. She still does a lot of good things and gets publicity for Dem causes that is helpful.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)President Biden cant help the country while he has pretend dems in the way
NH Ethylene
(30,809 posts)That rudeness is uncalled for.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)Over and over you have belittled aoc as ineffective while ignoring the the corrupt actions of the three reps trying to derail drug pricing reform
Bettie
(16,089 posts)their constituents.
Apparently hers are pharma companies that don't want to negotiate prices in the US as they do in other nations.
NH Ethylene
(30,809 posts)So I don't even understand what the title means.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)How The Lower Drug Costs Now Act Works
With the Lower Drug Costs Now Act, House Democrats are taking bold action to level the playing field for American patients and taxpayers, delivering on one of the top priorities of our For The People agenda. This bill:
Gives Medicare the power to negotiate directly with the drug companies, and creates strong new tools to force drug companies to the table to agree to real price reductions, while ensuring seniors never lose access to the prescriptions they need.
Makes the lower drug prices negotiated by Medicare available to Americans with private insurance, not just Medicare beneficiaries.
Stops drug companies ripping off Americans while charging other countries less for the same drugs, limiting the maximum price for any negotiated drug to the average price in countries like ours, where drug companies charge less for the same drugs and admit they still make a profit.
Creates a new, $2,000 out-of-pocket limit on prescription drug costs for Medicare beneficiaries, and reverses years of unfair price hikes above inflation across thousands of drugs in Medicare.
Reinvests in innovation and the search for new cures and treatments, using some of the savings from lowering the unjustified drug prices that are bankrolling Big Pharmas stock-buybacks to reinvest billions of dollars in the search for new breakthrough treatments and cures at the National Institutes of Health.
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Democrats' signature legislation to lower drug prices was defeated in a House committee on Wednesday as three moderate Democrats voted against their party.
Reps. Kurt Schrader (D-Ore.), Scott Peters (D-Calif.), and Kathleen Rice (D-N.Y.)
voted against the measure to allow the secretary of Health and Human Services to
negotiate lower drug prices, a long-held goal of Democrats.
Rep Peters warned that "government-dictated prices" under the bill would
cause harm to the "private investment" that backs drug development.
The vote is a striking setback for Democrats' $3.5 trillion package. Drug pricing is intended to be a key way to pay for the package. Leadership can still add a version of the provision back later in the process, but the move shows the depth of some moderate concerns.
The three lawmakers had long signaled their concerns with the drug pricing measure, but actually voting it down in the House Energy and Commerce Committee is an escalation. Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Frank Pallone Jr. (D-N.J.) had implored the three lawmakers to vote in favor of the measure to at least keep the process going.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215859304
Fiendish Thingy
(15,585 posts)NH Ethylene
(30,809 posts)Thank you for explaining this. I am another DU'er who has not kept up with current events, although in my defense, it did just happen today.
On edit - I don't remember the NYer contest for the committee from last December, so thought that was new news also.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)That doesn't make you a moderate or a centrist.
I wish the people caping for Rice in this thread can explain her vote to me like I'm 3 years old
Doremus
(7,261 posts)Imploring people to contact their representatives to oppose drug price negotiating, which will have horrible unexpected effects for people suffering from chronic illnesses.
History proves that if they play the message often and loud enough, people will eventually believe it.
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)and I do follow current events daily, but I can't always get to every story. I appreciate you updating the post, but there was no need to be condescending.
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/572447-democrats-suffer-blow-on-drug-pricing-as-3-moderates-buck-party
Does the House Ways and Means committee voting to advance the bill the qualify as a current event?
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....there was no "signature drug pricing bill" to tank.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Insurance industry second biggest contributor to Rice this election cycle, after lobbyists.
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)"The numbers on this page are based on contributions from PACs and individuals giving $200 or more."
Peters, Scott (D-CA) $229,973
Schrader, Kurt (D-OR) $144,252
Rice, Kathleen (D-NY) $15,277
Total $389.502
That's a far cry from $2M, wouldn't you say?
I highlighted Kathleen Rice because she's the one you attacked in your OP using a 9-month old article. A whopping $15,277!!!
Oh, one more:
Ocasio-Cortez, Alexandria (D-NY) $114,488
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Like I said, not complicated.
George II
(67,782 posts)....in office more years would have "higher" $ totals.
Peters: 8 years
Rice: 6 years
Schrader: 12 years
So, a total of 26 years and $2M, that's $76,00 per year.
Now compare that to the OTHER person you referred to in your OP, 'kay? I think you'll be surprised.
Anxiously awaiting your research. Thanks in advance.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Sorry, I'm not sure what you're getting at.
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)I'm stumped. Walk me through it.
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Help a brother out.
George II
(67,782 posts)betsuni
(25,462 posts)This way diabolical both sides bad intentions and plots to stop progress and whatnot can be assumed.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"why can't you see the deeper meaning?"
George II
(67,782 posts)mcar
(42,302 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(145,129 posts)I am on the Justice Democrats email list and I occasionally listen to their podcast which is amusingly called Just Us Democrats . I had fun laughing at todays email from Nina about Just Us Democrats The hatred that this group has for regular or establishment/corporate democrats is really sad. I am planning to donate to Hakeems Team Blue PAC due to these sad but hateful emails. I note that Nina lost in part due to being a member of the Just Us Democrats. I am glad endorsed by Jim Clyburn. Hillary Clinton and other real Democrats won this primary.
According to the 8 month old article posted in the OP, several members on this committee voted against Cortez due to her membership in the Just Us Democrats and not paying party dues. These are valid reasons for 46 members of this committee to vote for tho other candidate.
George II
(67,782 posts)....on December 16, the vote was 46-13 in favor of Kathleen Rice.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,129 posts)Not paying her dues is a big deal
George II
(67,782 posts)...and what she did instead.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)achieving geographic balance. Both Rice and Ocasio represent NY. Rice wanted judiciary, but it already had 2 reps from NY.
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)That's very catchy.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,129 posts)Sympthsical
(9,072 posts)The attacks on AOC will fly thick in the hopes that everyone will just ignore how moderates screwed over millions of Americans.
But we've already gotten defenses of coal companies and a "journalist" who thinks the Deep State stole the election from Trump from this segment of the party this week. Where we can go from here is anyone's guess.
My expectations are high. If it's not at least, "Why this pharma CEO's corruption is more awesome than AOC's grandmother," I will be severely disappointed.
NH Ethylene
(30,809 posts)I am willing to criticize AOC when she deserves it, and give her kudos when merited. Overall I like her. I think I am typical of those who make critical comments at times.
The problem is that some people don't appreciate the nuance, and believe that AOC must be adored at all times. I abhor anything resembling a cult and will sometimes put forth a sharp comment just to break the spell.
Budi
(15,325 posts)I'm still waiting for them to write a bill for their GND or M4A.
Till then its a worthy slogan.
If change is that big a deal then put it out there, because as legislators, they have been given the power to do so.
George II
(67,782 posts)....just a week or so ago on Twitter he was talking about "still working on it"!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saikat_Chakrabarti#Alexandria_Ocasio-Cortez_chief_of_staff
Budi
(15,325 posts)Who was that? Obama, Kerry...?
betsuni
(25,462 posts)questionseverything
(9,651 posts)Aoc wanted
The rep from ny that received that assignment refused to back president Bidens plan for saving. Money by negotiating drug prices
Are you supporting derailing the presidents plan?
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)What she did was not supportive in any way
sheshe2
(83,744 posts)Thank you.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)and swarm any thread she is so much as mentioned in to talk about how very much they despise her.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)in the headline is a pass to gossip about other DUers --- again. The content of the responses show that this thread was again a completely bogus boatload of misinformation about other Democrats -- something you should expect to see corrected here. U betcha.
Sympthsical
(9,072 posts)Newp! This went exactly as expected.
Long, luxurious strokes, like an Olympic swimmer on cooldown.
George II
(67,782 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Vinca
(50,261 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...every legislator on motives for their votes? Most Representatives hold extensive town halls to get the feel for what their constituents want. Not every one does but I'm sure she did.
I don't see any questionable investments in her disclosure.
https://disclosures-clerk.house.gov/public_disc/financial-pdfs/2020/10041918.pdf
Budi
(15,325 posts)Who in our Senate & House have benefitted from Pharma contributions.
There must be a source for that info as well.
George II
(67,782 posts)Representatives in the last cycle:
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=H04&cycle=2020&recipdetail=H&mem=Y&sortorder=U
1 McCarthy, Kevin (R-CA) $446,334
2 Hudson, Richard (R-NC) $276,993
3 Scalise, Steve (R-LA) $273,427
4 Pallone, Frank Jr (D-NJ) $256,925
5 Eshoo, Anna (D-CA) $248,350
6 Peters, Scott (D-CA) $229,973
7 Brady, Kevin (R-TX) $218,000
8 Guthrie, Brett (R-KY) $210,464
9 Neal, Richard E (D-MA) $206,500
10 Carter, Buddy (R-GA) $185,200
11 Bucshon, Larry (R-IN) $184,254
12 Schneider, Brad (D-IL) $175,599
13 Kelly, Robin (D-IL) $169,050
14 Kind, Ron (D-WI) $165,763
15 Rodgers, Cathy McMorris (R-WA) $163,877
16 Ruiz, Raul (D-CA) $155,575
17 Burgess, Michael (R-TX) $155,050
18 Nunes, Devin (R-CA) $154,141
19 Pelosi, Nancy (D-CA) $151,122
20 Upton, Fred (R-MI) $146,864
Senators in the last cycle:
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=H04&recipdetail=S&sortorder=U&mem=Y&cycle=2020
1 Sanders, Bernie (I-VT) $1,264,615
2 Ossoff, Jon (D-GA) $865,823
3 Warnock, Raphael (D-GA) $765,716
4 Warren, Elizabeth (D-MA) $718,163
5 McConnell, Mitch (R-KY) $556,990
6 Kelly, Mark (D-AZ) $542,307
7 Perdue, David (R-GA) $535,908
8 Loeffler, Kelly (R-GA) $513,231
9 Tillis, Thom (R-NC) $471,884
10 Peters, Gary (D-MI) $370,562
11 Cornyn, John (R-TX) $326,496
12 Gardner, Cory (R-CO) $323,583
13 Graham, Lindsey (R-SC) $309,666
14 Klobuchar, Amy (D-MN) $288,988
15 Daines, Steven (R-MT) $282,838
16 Jones, Doug (D-AL) $276,531
17 Hickenlooper, John (D-CO) $255,760
18 Ernst, Joni (R-IA) $249,961
19 McSally, Martha (R-AZ) $249,136
20 Cassidy, Bill (R-LA) $236,547
Response to George II (Reply #65)
Budi This message was self-deleted by its author.
Budi
(15,325 posts)I'm rather stunned to see the Top 4.
1 Sanders, Bernie (I-VT) $1,264,615
Hmmm. BIG PHARMA, huh.
Bookmarking this one.
Thanks for the link
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,129 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Think that's a point in his favor
betsuni
(25,462 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Those who buck the trend of donations are the exceptions, sadly
betsuni
(25,462 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Nixie
(16,950 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I just know that I couldn't support or trust anyone who's beholden to "big pharma"... so I understand where you're coming from on that point. We don't agree often, but in this instance... we may have found some common ground.
George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Just_Vote_Dem
(2,802 posts)Let's make it even better!
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,129 posts)Warren tried to come up with a plan and a way to pay for it that fell apart so fast that it was sad. Plans need to be paid fir in the real world.
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....being touted under the purloined "Medicare For All" slogan. Javits' plan had meat on it, and it was implementable without drastically uprooting existing plans and systems.
Same as the currently existing ACA with strengthening and expansion.
betsuni
(25,462 posts)As we can see, some senators receive large contributions, yet they don't vote against Pharma price reforms. Money isn't automatically corrupting.
Yet Democrats are constantly accused of being corrupt, bribed, "corporate Dems," of "taking money" from Big Pharma and Wall Street and wealthy donors, etc., and thus immoral and "ideologically bankrupt." The pure just receive contributions, the corrupt "take" money.
Three representatives voted against lower Pharma prices. Why the rush to scream corruption because they received some contributions from people in the Pharma industry? They can be bought off that easily, and on record? They can't just be wrong? More conservative? There has to be some nefarious conspiracy theory?
Tired of it, it's stupid. I blame the person who started it.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)It's supported by 81% of the people. Being against it makes no sense at all.
betsuni
(25,462 posts)Like a representative voting for a budget bill including funding for ICE and after getting criticism from supporters, voting against the next budget bill, the only Democrat to do so, because of funding for ICE. But that bill didn't include any funding for Homeland Security, no funding for iCE. Oops, wrong. Bad advice, incorrect information, not reading the bill carefully. No CTs necessary.
To be all dramatic and CT, how about blackmail or threats? GOP/Putin love that, and it costs nothing. Bribes cost money. Seems easier and thriftier.
Nixie
(16,950 posts)Just Wow.
I can remember years of nasty assumptions about "wall street speeches" and how just the mere mention of Wall Street brought them running on about "corruption." It's interesting how standards change so quickly.
George II
(67,782 posts)That's 78% of the vote of the members on the Steering and Policy Committee.
You're implying that Representative Rice had ulterior motives for voting against inclusion of that measure.
Budi
(15,325 posts)What's left to argue?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)And we're paying for it now.
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....got the seat on the committee, almost as a reward.
It was the other way around, and the two happened nine months apart.
TIA.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)That provision is supported by 81% of the people. How is opposing it in any way moderate?
George II
(67,782 posts)....a better provision to include in the bill.
PS - you subject line still implies that Rice got that seat on the committee a a reward for "tanking" the provision. That's totally untrue, she got the seat 9 months before the vote took place.
She got the seat because she's far more experienced in her professional career.
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....it may be that they haven't done what you're saying they did.
Do you have the text?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Do you need links?
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)the bill with the provisions in it.
One of the problems is that random people spread bias-confirming misinformation on twitter and then the bogus story lines take hold and are amplified.
September 16, 2021
The House Ways and Means Committee voted 24-19 yesterday to advance the Build Back Better Act with drug pricing reform provisions, shortly after the same reforms failed to make it into the House Energy & Commerce Committees version.
https://www.fdanews.com/articles/204435-house-ways-and-means-committee-advances-drug-pricing-reform?v=preview
Nixie
(16,950 posts)track it has taken slamming other Democrats all for gratuitous and unnecessary divisiveness.
George II
(67,782 posts)"Tank the provision and we'll give you the seat", even though the two events happened 9 months apart and in reverse order. It's like Rice was lying in wait for nine months for an opportunity to repay "Dem leaders".
Then there's the dig that the three who voted against it got huge amounts of money, $2M, to do so, as though their votes were "bought" by "big pharma" in their districts. Fact is that's a cumulative number over the entire collective careers of the three - a total of 26 years in office, but Rice doesn't even have any "big pharma" in her district and she received only $21,000.
Then we find out that in just the 2020 cycle a single elected official got more than half that total!
lapucelle
(18,250 posts)by fellow Democrats. Nobody "picked" her.
So, to review, the drug pricing provisions weren't tanked, and Democratic leaders did not "pick" Rice for the committee seat.
This appears to be another instance of divisive disinformation masquerading as "news about current events" on twitter.