Restaurant hostess attacked after asking diners for proof of vaccination

[RandySF]

Three people were arrested for allegedly assaulting a New York City restaurant hostess on Thursday after she asked a group of diners visiting from Texas to show proof they had been vaccinated before seating them.

Cellphone footage obtained by NBC New York shows a brawl involving several people outside Carmine's Italian restaurant on the Upper West Side. Staff and bystanders intervened to break up the melee after it broke out around 5 p.m. ET, the station added.
The hostess, who has not been identified, was repeatedly punched and her necklace broken, police said.

One unspecified patient was taken to the Mount Sinai Hospital, the New York City Fire Department said, without stating their condition.

The three suspects, whose ages are 21, 44 and 49, were taken to NYPD's nearby 24th precinct station house, police said.





https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/carmine-s-hostess-attacked-after-asking-diners-proof-vaccine-n1279410?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma

[gratuitous]

1. Texas is exporting the crazy

Is it time to consider designating Texas as a state sponsor of terrorism?

[OBrien]

37. Stop with trash talking Texas.

I live in very blue Houston and it’s full of wonderful people. Assholes live everywhere.

[Hortensis]

44. Yes, they do. Bigotry eager to leap to any excuse is also found everywhere.

But there are also people too nice, and/or too aware, to join in everywhere.

[XanaDUer2]

51. My BFF is from Dallas and she's very liberal

and just horrified. She's in VA now

[gratuitous]

73. When Texas can behave itself, I'll stop asking questions

Because right now the entire country is being held hostage by the whackos in your state. For 20 years or more, I've heard about "wonderful people" in Texas, and how oh, just any second now, it's going to trend Democratic. Still waiting and still watching Texas with horror.

[Skittles]

97. I feel the same way

and I have lived in Texas for decades

[treestar]

107. I read the article and there is no reference to the

perpetrators being from TX. There are some right wing anti vaxxers everywhere - even NYC.

[UnderThisLaw]

109. Fortunately

There’s more than one source on this, since it happened in the media capital of the world

[bullwinkle428]

2. Three guys attacking one woman? SOP for Trumpanzees.

Last edited Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:08 AM - Edit history (1)

Edit : I fucked up, and failed to watch video that was attached as part of the story. Didn't realize perpetrators were women.

Of course, it still doesn't excuse the nature of the crime.

[Prof. Toru Tanaka]

5. Throw these creeps in jail for assault and battery!

I'm sure they would be quite popular with the general population when word gets around why they are in jail.

[sarisataka]

14. That didn't take long /nt

[Hugh_Lebowski]

6. I don't see the sex of the assailants identified in the article

And the video doesn't really show anything in that regard either.

It could be 3 women, though I tend to doubt it.

[Ace Rothstein]

24. It was three women.

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[left-of-center2012]

26. "It could be 3 women, though I tend to doubt it"

Why?
Do you think women are nonviolent?

Does the name 'Karen' ring a bell?
A lot of crazies are women.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

38. 'Tend to doubt' is purposefully non-committal

It's more a case of that scenario being less statistically likely.

Beginning with the fact that the likelihood of any combination of 3 unknown people being F-F-F would be (.5*.5*.5), or 12.5% (and hence the probability of a non-zero number of males being in a group of 3 is 87.5%), and ending with the fact that males are statistically far more likely to physically assault another person than females.

[left-of-center2012]

48. This ...

"any combination of 3 unknown people being F-F-F would be (.5*.5*.5),
or 12.5% (and hence the probability of a non-zero number of males being in a group of 3 is 87.5%)"

[Hugh_Lebowski]

52. I'm sorry if simple statistics/probability calculations baffle you

But I assure you, that math is not 'bullshit'.

[left-of-center2012]

58. "math is not 'bullshit'"

I agree.
Just some shit folks throw out.

Buh bye

[cinematicdiversions]

12. Three women visiting from Texas

Not guys...

[Treefrog]

36. Still think they were trumpers?

Now that you watched the video?

[Casady1]

3. They punched a woman

keeps with the profile I have of these hooligans. Carmine's has the best meatballs.

[Ligyron]

7. I've eaten there as well and it's very good.

Finding a parking spot can sometimes be a bit of an issue.

Some famous mafioso was gunned down outside Umberto’s Clam House just down the street.

Oh, NYC, what history you encompass.

[edhopper]

11. This is on the Upper West Side

there is also one in Times Square.

Umberto's is in Little Italy, no where near this.

[Casady1]

13. I lived in NYC when the shooting

occurred and I ate there a couple of weeks later. We did make jokes about the shooting over dinner.

[SergeStorms]

62. The bullet holes were still in the wall...

for months after the hit. So many people wanted to see where "crazy Joe" got rubbed out, it was a big draw for Umberto's.

Hey, word of mouth is the best advertising for a restaurant there is.

[SergeStorms]

60. Joe Gallo.

Joe had a very big mouth, and he drew a lot of bad attention to himself and others. He was rubbed out inside of Umberto's during a birthday party.

How you explain John Gotti, who was quite the gregarious mafioso himself, and became the boss of the Castellano family after Gotti and Sammy "The Bull" Gravavo shot Castellano outside of Sparks Steak House, is beyond me.

Gotti rubbed out the "right" people I guess, and Gallo didn't.

[Champp]

27. Republicans have no respect, no honor

The Republicans have inflicted this insanity upon America.

[Treefrog]

31. Why do you think they were republicans?

Did you watch the video?

[edhopper]

35. What would make you think they weren't

anti-vax Repukes from Texas?

[Treefrog]

39. Well, they certainly didn't appear to be white males, with whom we usually associate this nonsense.

Did they?

[edhopper]

43. You replied to this

"Republicans have no respect, no honor

The Republicans have inflicted this insanity upon America."

There is nowhere the poster said they were male. And I doubt people here think this type of behavior is limited to male Republicans. Plenty of female Repukes have behaved badly and at times, violently.

[Treefrog]

63. Um, watch the video.

Aren’t you the poster who refers to grown women as girls? I seem to remember that…it’s hard to take seriously someone who does that, so sorry.

[edhopper]

83. No I am the poster that used the quote

"Missing White Girl" which is a trope used to criticize the Media and not a reference to the actual person.

Are you equally outraged at the songs
Uptown Girl
Girl from Ipanema
Girls Just Want To Have Fun
Hollaback Girl

The Broadway musicals
Dreamgirls
Funny Girl
Girl from the North Country

What about The Girl with the Dragon Tatoo, The Girl with the Pearl Earing, Gone Girl, Gilmore Girls, 2 Broke Girls

All offensive to you?

[Treefrog]

85. Nice try, hon.

[edhopper]

87. "hon"

is demeaning and condescending. Practice what you preach.

I will assume you cannot answer my point about the use of "girl" in popular culture.

[Arazi]

49. Most "Karens" are white women and there are a lot of black Trumpers

That are anti-vax...Diamond and Silk, Candace Owen's, Herschel Walker, Herman Cain

[Hortensis]

50. I'd bet my bank account they're aggressive, strong social conservatives

of the same general type the white trumpists are. We've seen a lot of videos of trumpist-type acting out from nonwhites eager to indulge their "righteous" hostility and resentments in the same ways against the same people.

As for Republican? Those who vote Republican. Still the same sort if they don't, though. Nothing new here.

[jaxexpat]

53. It was a distraction. A cover for NYC's biggest meatball heist.

Got that tip from my pasta'.

[Hortensis]

59. Not much chance of recovering them, I'd imagine. If some fell off

a truck speeding through here, I know I wouldn't be calling the police.

[Treefrog]

72. Well, if they vote, I'd agree with that.

People who act like that in public…I tend to doubt they fulfill any civic duties. My opinion, of course.

[Hortensis]

76. I think a few years ago that'd be strongly true; now it's still true but a bit less.

Now, some of the most impatiently aggressive ones are adding public violence to their list of things good Christian patriots do. Political sociologists say most of these sorts are extremely righteous. They know they are The Good People. The only good people. Just as Hitler's adoring followers were.

They're a bellweather for far, far, far greater numbers of "respectable" RW authoritarians who'd approve their government, and citizen mobs, commiting mass atrocities for them. A little indicator is that they've killed anywhere from 660,000 to over a million people so far in opportunistic partisan hostilities, untargeted killing, without compunction or guilt or wish to stop.

[70sEraVet]

4. I'm convinced that we need to complete that wall

All around Texas!

[leftyladyfrommo]

80. That's a good idea. nt

[thucythucy]

8. Did they fly in from Texas?

It's time airlines start requiring proof of vaccination as well as masks.

Same goes for bus lines and Amtrak.

In the meantime, criminal charges against these jerks, and if I were the wait staff I'd sue for damages in civil court.

I'm in an especially foul mood this morning.

[East-A-Squared]

9. Send them to Rikers Island.

[colsohlibgal]

10. Crazy Is A Parallel Epidemic

These people are dangerously insane, 30 + years of far right media has changed their brains.

The more rabid among them are criminally nuts.

This far right lunacy had bubbled under the surface mostly till their worst fears were realized, a man of color elected President twice.....and a dumb guy who inherited a fortune from Daddy played on that and lit a fire.

Perfect Storm.

[NJCher]

17. we could call this post

Modern History.

+++1000

[Maraya1969]

15. Shove them in a NY jail and see how they like the other NY inmates.

[packman]

16. Three Texas ass-wipes in NYPD custody for assaulting a NY waitress

Boys, you got an experience ahead of you

[Treefrog]

40. They weren't boys.

Just sayin.

[packman]

42. Using the Texas "Boys" in a sarcastic way

Should I have used another term?

[Treefrog]

64. They were female.

Did anybody watch the damn video?

[cinematicdiversions]

104. For three fat black woman? Possibly NT

[ck4829]

18. The three K's

[Ace Rothstein]

25. ?

[ck4829]

32. Karen Karen Karen

[Treefrog]

77. I thought "Karen" referred to white women?

I’m behind, obviously.

[Arazi]

19. And people wonder why nobody wants to take service jobs

I doubt that restaurant offers paid time off/sick leave so that hostess can heal from that beating and/or the Covid she may have caught from these thugs

[qzwv8j]

20. Arrested for a violent crime, I hope they spent they night at Rivers Island

[jmowreader]

57. Rikers Island. Lovely place.

[lpbk2713]

21. Thugs.

Do the country a favor. Keep your rethuglican asses in Texas from now on.

[wiggs]

22. LET'S BE CLEAR: these people have been waiting for an excuse to

kick ass, beat up their perceived enemies (or anyone), shoot someone, or draw blood. Masks and vaccines are just an excuse, and they jumped on it.

[Hortensis]

56. Umhm. The Righteous People are finally rising up to smite

the bad people who've been destroying their nation for decades. They don't yet have government approval for their attacks, but they have God's and trust that'll come.

[JHB]

23. Welcome to jail, folks. Hope you weren't planning to go back to Texas anytime soon...

...y'all being flight risks and such.

[Devil Child]

28. Vid shows three very lovely ladies showing their aggressive and selfish rage

Throw the book at them.

[Treefrog]

78. Their names are out there now too.

I’m having difficulty trying to link to the article, but it’s easily found.

[NoMoreRepugs]

29. Let the waitress get two of her NY friends and let 'em settle it outside.

[RVN VET71]

30. Seems like a typically white, Republican crime.

Were the assailants white Republicans or just assholes?

[Devil Child]

34. Several links to the video in the OP and articles themselves

Here is the link again to allow you to determine the demographics of the assailants and assess their possible political leanings.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/carmines-hostess-attacked-after-asking-group-from-texas-for-vaccination-proof-to-dine-inside/3277565/

[Treefrog]

67. Thank you.

The comments on this thread speak volumes.

[RVN VET71]

90. Yep, the assailants look to be non-white

African American, in fact.

Thanks for making me take a closer look. I actually put up my comment about it being a white-Republican type crime to see if anyone had more information on the attack and attackers.

Would love to have more detailed info about the sequence of events, who said what to who, etc. Maybe there will be more information forthcoming.

[LanternWaste]

91. Ten bucks says you fail to see the irony in your having said that.

Given your instantly-created position and moral judgements in regards to Christian Cooper.

[Devil Child]

95. Ten bucks says you fail to see the irony in you not realizing

I absolutely love getting replies from you. To be noticed so consistently is quite flattering.

[Treefrog]

99. You too?

And here I thought it was only me he follows so persistently.

Woe is me, I no longer feel special.

[Devil Child]

101. For a fleeting moment, he will make you feel you are the only one in his life

But sadly, he has many others.

[Treefrog]

102. Lol!

But not so many responses. I know many are often repeated again and again and again…

[Skittles]

98. disturbing

also disturbing is that guy with his pants down in public, WTF

[Treefrog]

100. I know, surely restaurants don't let people in with their ass hanging out?

[Skittles]

106. Obama was right

it is silly and disrespectful

[cinematicdiversions]

103. That is a protected African American fashion and it is considered cultural appropriation to copy

I wish I wasn't kidding

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/fashion/2021/09/13/balenciaga-racist-sweatpants-cultural-appropriation-accusations/8320213002/

[Skittles]

105. I have never understood how a fad could last so fucking long

it is ridiculous

[Treefrog]

41. Certainly assholes.

Best watch the video for any other info you need.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

46. Nobody seems to want to broach the possibility that these may well be female POC's

Who attacked a white hostess.

But I will, cause I'm a rebel like that.

[Devil Child]

47. Three BIPOC women assaulted a white or light-skinned hostess

It is crystal clear in the video that people are choosing not to watch before replying.

Thanks for being a rebel Hugh_Lebowski.

For anyone interested.

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/carmines-hostess-attacked-after-asking-group-from-texas-for-vaccination-proof-to-dine-inside/3277565/

[Treefrog]

71. I'm curious about NYC restaurant policies about having your ass hanging out?

The guy with the red underwear? Barely covering his butt? Is that ok in NYC?

[XanaDUer2]

86. I saw that! Lol

poor guy was close to tripping on them if they fell around his ankles.

[Treefrog]

66. Thank you Mr Lebowski!

I can’t figure out if most posters never watched the video before replying or just denied the evidence in front of their own eyes! Smh.

[LanternWaste]

92. We tell ourselves what we need to

"cause I'm a rebel like that..."

We tell ourselves what we need to, regardless of accuracy. But I get it... it's a juicy bone too tempting to pass up.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

93. I'm consistently like this on DU, putting facts above what may be popular to say (or not say)

in this particular milieu.

Condensing that down to 'being a rebel' seemed succinct, sorry if that was bothersome.

[Treefrog]

94. That poster follows me everywhere.

Maybe he’s on your trail now.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

96. One of the perils of not conveying that you're a 100% doctrinaire adherent to all liberal dogma

and signaling your bona fides in every single post you ever make ... is some people will give you a hard time on DU, and question your motives.

It usually manifests in some passive aggressive form, which I get a kick out of, honestly.

And what are ya gonna do?

[rockfordfile]

89. No. But they're likely be right-wingers.

[Stinky The Clown]

33. To coin a phrase they might understand:

Go back where you came from, shitbirds.

[Scrivener7]

45. This! If you don't like our rules, stay the fuck home!

[leftstreet]

54. Why was this employee forced to do restaurant's security?

Jesus

[Polybius]

65. 95% of restaurants don't have security

I live in NYC where there's a restaurant vaccine mandate law since Monday. Whoever is up front must ask the customer coming in for their cards. That's usually the hostess, who greets the customers at the door.

[leftstreet]

68. They don't normally need it

But aside from a typical "no shoes no shirt" message customers have incorporated over decades, the current vax restrictions are much different.

It's the employer's responsibility to police it, not the employees

[Polybius]

75. A lot of times a restaurant only has one owner

He or she can't always be up front 7 days a week from open to close. Restaurants are hurting because of the policy (anti-vaxxers are for the most part staying home, which is good for us but bad for the owners). I'm all for the city paying for security however.

[XanaDUer2]

55. I've learned to not assume

the crazy is everywhere

[Polybius]

61. This is the reason why I oppose NYC's restaurant and gym vaccine mandate law

While I completely support vaccine mandates, don't put it on the workers to enforce them. Have under-covers go in and randomly check the customers, and give fines when necessary.

[leftstreet]

70. +1

exactly

[sarisataka]

69. It appears DU

Will be fielding a strong jumping to conclusions team again.

There are multiple videos available. While they do not indicate party affiliation they do show many assumptions that have been made are wrong.

[Treefrog]

74. Lol, we do field a VERY strong team in that event!

Some are standouts and return to compete again and again!

[sarisataka]

110. Several more medals have been won

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215879764

A full sweep is still possible...

[Treefrog]

79. What's funny is that they never stay around to collect their medals?

What’s up with that?

They seem to vanish suddenly.

[sarisataka]

81. In such a competitive arena

One cannot afford to linger basking in fleeting glory or self critique but must immediately seek the next event.

[Treefrog]

82. ...

[treestar]

108. LOL

:ROFL:

[Nay]

84. If a restaurant is going to require hostesses to check vax passports, then the

hostesses need to be 6'5" tall, beefy, and have a Resting Bitch Face. Many men will fit that description, and some women.

[edhopper]

88. All NY restaurants are required to do this

It's a city wide mandate, not the restaurant's choice.