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Towlie

(5,318 posts)
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:35 AM Sep 2021

"The US is not a military junta; it is a republic led by elected civilian leaders..."

Actually, it's neither.

The Guardian: General Milley cannot undermine civilian authority. The US is not a military junta

On Tuesday, the Washington Post published a bombshell drawn from a forthcoming book by the journalists Bob Woodward and Robert Costa: during the final days of Donald Trump’s presidency, Gen Mark Milley, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and the US’s highest-ranking military officer, called the senior ranking general of the Chinese military and offered to warn him in advance of any American military action against China.

Milley, who reportedly believed that Trump was unstable and might launch a politically motivated military operation, contacted the Chinese without the knowledge of the White House. He no doubt thought that his decision was for the greater good. But if he did indeed negotiate with a foreign military rival without authorization, he violated the longstanding American political tradition that the military is subordinate to elected civilian leaders.

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The US is not a military junta; it is a republic led by elected civilian leaders, and it cannot allow the creation of any precedent, large or small, of military insubordination.

The problem with that argument is that because of such undemocratic practices as gerrymandering, over-representation of rural populations, the Electoral College, etc. the US is not "a republic led by elected civilian leaders" and is gradually drifting farther from that ideal due to the rising corruption of the Republican Party.

General Milley faced a dilemma, but to respect a disastrous decision by an obviously insane leader would clearly have been the wrong choice.
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"The US is not a military junta; it is a republic led by elected civilian leaders..." (Original Post) Towlie Sep 2021 OP
In response to that, I offer a tautology... A civilian leader is a civilian leader. ck4829 Sep 2021 #1
Also, in his position Milley doesn't command troops. Ocelot II Sep 2021 #2
When a train The Wizard Sep 2021 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author qzwv8j Sep 2021 #4
it is a republic of laws, and Milley's greatest obligation is to the law fishwax Sep 2021 #5
preventing nuclear war is a good thing. Voltaire2 Sep 2021 #6

ck4829

(35,038 posts)
1. In response to that, I offer a tautology... A civilian leader is a civilian leader.
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 10:40 AM
Sep 2021

You're not elected by God.
You're not there to "own the libs" or to troll a part of that civilian population
Your ego and personal interests are superseded by the wants and needs of the many.

Trump failed to act AS a civilian leader, therefore resistance to him was not only beneficial, but I would say obligatory.

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fishwax

(29,148 posts)
5. it is a republic of laws, and Milley's greatest obligation is to the law
Fri Sep 17, 2021, 12:10 PM
Sep 2021

Milley perceived Trump's behavior as potentially injurious to that rule of law. I would argue that he was right to perceive it so.

His behavior is not indicative of a military junta. He wasn't wresting control from the civilian leaders. He was acting in service to his obligation to the constitution, and to protect it from enemies foreign and domestic.

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