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8 states matter. nothing else. (Original Post) cali Oct 2012 OP
That it comes down to Ohio means... MrMickeysMom Oct 2012 #1
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this has been talked nigh on to death here at DU cali Oct 2012 #5
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Agreed. Aleting - again. geckosfeet Oct 2012 #15
Right. H2O Man Oct 2012 #19
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cut and paste posting across op's without comment or discussion is spam - alerting geckosfeet Oct 2012 #17
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I worry about the voting machines but the thing is President Obama doesn't need OH to win. ZM90 Oct 2012 #3
Wrong. The proper calculus involves not only an Obama win but also coat-tails struggle4progress Oct 2012 #4
Exactly rbrnmw Oct 2012 #24
and that is why the electoral college needs to be DUMPED Skittles Oct 2012 #7
I have been permanently persuaded against changing by the fear of a national recount. reformist2 Oct 2012 #11
we already HAD a disaster because of the fucking electoral college Skittles Oct 2012 #30
that was a disaster because of the Supreme Court not the EC. TeamPooka Oct 2012 #33
the EC certainly helped! Skittles Oct 2012 #35
I agree. boston bean Oct 2012 #16
Election 2012 simplified! yortsed snacilbuper Oct 2012 #8
Yeah that's about right... ellisonz Oct 2012 #27
exactly n/t flamingdem Oct 2012 #34
Ohio and or Florida. The president needs one or the other - both would be sweet. geckosfeet Oct 2012 #10
The sad thing is, it doesn't have to be this way, MadHound Oct 2012 #14
+1 ellisonz Oct 2012 #28
I'v heard this, but it does not make sense to me... midnight Oct 2012 #18
And Rush & Co will have to STFU if Obama wins only the electoral vote Patiod Oct 2012 #21
Yeah but don't expect them to keep their mouths shut rbrnmw Oct 2012 #25
After spending many years in a red state truebluegreen Oct 2012 #22
That's even worse than Willard's 47% garbage SmileyRose Oct 2012 #23
Exactly. All 50 states count. Ya Basta Oct 2012 #26
ALL state matter and EVERY voter matters. We need EVERYONE to vote for us. But yes, the battleground RBInMaine Oct 2012 #29
I bet downticket (local) pols would disagree rainbow4321 Oct 2012 #31
You nailed it. mick063 Oct 2012 #38
They all matter, 8 are in doubt. Motown_Johnny Oct 2012 #32
I see you've put a lot of thought into it. GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #36
If Obama gets Ohio Romney will have no reasonable chance grantcart Oct 2012 #37

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
1. That it comes down to Ohio means...
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:30 AM
Oct 2012

We have a broken system....

But, we do have a broken system, and all Koch Brothers's Horses and ALL the Koch Brother's men... mean to put a dumb ass "in charge" again.

That's unacceptable, Ohio.

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cali

(114,904 posts)
5. this has been talked nigh on to death here at DU
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:38 AM
Oct 2012

but that's neither here nor there regarding your post and your purpose for it. I find it despicable that you're using DU to promote your website with it's quack theories on mental illness.

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H2O Man

(73,559 posts)
19. Right.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:06 AM
Oct 2012

There has even been intelligent discussion of the general topic -- something lacking from the post in question.

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ZM90

(706 posts)
3. I worry about the voting machines but the thing is President Obama doesn't need OH to win.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:32 AM
Oct 2012

However Romney does need OH to win which gives President Obama a advantage. I'm sure President Obama has a back-up plan in case the GOP steal OH.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)
4. Wrong. The proper calculus involves not only an Obama win but also coat-tails
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:35 AM
Oct 2012

and pushing Obama helps down-ballot Ds -- who also matter

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
24. Exactly
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:43 AM
Oct 2012

We need to send as many Democratic people as we can to Washington especially from the Buckeye State we Need OHIO

Skittles

(153,169 posts)
7. and that is why the electoral college needs to be DUMPED
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:44 AM
Oct 2012

why are the votes of the people there more important than MY vote?

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
11. I have been permanently persuaded against changing by the fear of a national recount.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:59 AM
Oct 2012

The Florida recount was bad enough. If we did away with the electoral college and the vote was close, we'd have to have a national recount. It would be a national disaster.

boston bean

(36,222 posts)
16. I agree.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:02 AM
Oct 2012

There is a group out there and some states have actually signed on to the legislation.....where if one person wins the popular vote, the state (no matter its result) will give its electoral college votes to the person who won the popular vote.

That way there is no need for a constitutional amendment to remove the electoral college.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
10. Ohio and or Florida. The president needs one or the other - both would be sweet.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 08:56 AM
Oct 2012

I would add Michigan to your list. Maybe even PA. I think the president can win them.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
14. The sad thing is, it doesn't have to be this way,
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:01 AM
Oct 2012

Howard Dean's fifty state strategy would be a better way to go.

Patiod

(11,816 posts)
21. And Rush & Co will have to STFU if Obama wins only the electoral vote
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 09:38 AM
Oct 2012

Since even the looniest wingnut doesn't challenge the fact that in his first election, Bush lost the popular vote by half a million, and not a peep was heard from them about the evils of the electoral college.

rbrnmw

(7,160 posts)
25. Yeah but don't expect them to keep their mouths shut
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:50 AM
Oct 2012

watch and see. I am optimistic I don't think Romney will win anything near as big as the polls are showing or talking heads are saying. He won't win the popular vote the Evangelicals that are scared to death of Mormons won't vote neither will southerners who think he is an elitist, out of touch, rich guy

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
22. After spending many years in a red state
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:30 AM
Oct 2012

and then moving to a swing state, I can say I'm gratified that my vote finally means Something.

But it would be far better if Everybody's Vote meant Something.

OTOH, if we were to go to a national popular vote (which would take a constitutional amendment) I think national standards for vote-counting, paper ballots, etc. would also be necessary.

SmileyRose

(4,854 posts)
23. That's even worse than Willard's 47% garbage
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:37 AM
Oct 2012

I live in Georgia and I matter. For the Democratic Party to throw us away as meaningless in an election is idiotic. 50 state strategy works for many reasons - not the least of which is the fact effective governing means having the citizens behind you and their elected representatives......and now that Pacs can raise unlimited cash there is no excuse to write of most of the country.

 

Ya Basta

(391 posts)
26. Exactly. All 50 states count.
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 12:55 PM
Oct 2012

These eight states are not the only states needed to put Obama back into the White House

What would happen if California and New York Democrats didn't show up to vote because they don't matter? Same goes for the other states who historically vote Democratic.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
29. ALL state matter and EVERY voter matters. We need EVERYONE to vote for us. But yes, the battleground
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 01:33 PM
Oct 2012

states are higher stakes so REALLY have to BIGTIME hard there.

rainbow4321

(9,974 posts)
31. I bet downticket (local) pols would disagree
Sat Oct 20, 2012, 06:01 PM
Oct 2012

Here in TX, the downticket Dem pols would likely frown upon that theory...Dallas County Dems, in particular, since they benefited greatly from TX Dem voters turning out in full force during the last couple national elections. And they turned out even though they knew that there was no way in hell TX as a whole would be going blue.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
37. If Obama gets Ohio Romney will have no reasonable chance
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 04:26 AM
Oct 2012

Nevada and Iowa will go for Obama.

Iowa due to solar

Nevada, "none of the above" is on the ballot and Ron Paul folks want to make a big show there.

I would also add N Carolina. its still in play and looking good.
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