France recalls its Ambassador for the first time since the Revolutionary War,

[speak easy]

cancels the commemoration of the Battle of Chesapeake Bay.

France recalls ambassadors to US and Australia after Aukus pact

First time France has recalled a US ambassador in alliance dating back to American revolution

... The French foreign minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, said the order to bring the ambassadors back to Paris “immediately” was made at the request of the French president, Emmanuel Macron.

... Peter Ricketts, a former permanent undersecretary at the Foreign Office and former UK ambassador to France, tweeted: “Don’t underestimate reaction in Paris. It’s not just anger but a real sense of betrayal that UK as well as US and Aus negotiated behind their backs for 6 months. I lived the rupture in 2003 over Iraq. This feels as bad or worse.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/17/france-recalls-ambassadors-to-us-and-australia-after-aukus-pact

[roamer65]

1. This will strengthen the Franco-German alliance, aka the EU.

There will probably be EU trade retaliation.

Or even better, the EU will meddle in UK politics as a retaliation…Scotland.

[Dawson Leery]

2. Before the Second War, France was our ally.

I'd rather be with them and the EU.
On this issue, I am disappointed with Biden.

[speak easy]

3. France has been our ally throughout history.

[gladium et scutum]

10. Without the French during the Revolution

We may, today, still be subjects of Her Most Britanic Majesty

[Dawson Leery]

11. After the war, France was put on the back burner has been there ever since.

With Brexit, keeping Britain closer than France is illogical as Britain wants to be free from foreign cooperation.

[TheRealNorth]

4. I agree

This whole thing seems to be a failure of the State Department/diplomatic corps.

[Zeitghost]

13. Not at all

This is a great move by the Biden State Dept. It's a move to counter influence China is trying to have over Australia in the region.

[Demsrule86]

23. What? He brings jobs here. That is a good thing.

[Tomconroy]

5. I know this has something to do with the sale of submarines.

Does anyone know exactly why the French are so angry?

[edhopper]

6. Australia is buying our nuclear subs

Not their diesel ones.
Follow the $$
They wanted to be in the loop.

[TreasonousBastard]

8. Australia had closed a deal to buy French subs, but we snuck...

in with the Brits and gave them a deal they couldn't refuse.

Everyone agrees it was a shit thing to do.

[Zeitghost]

14. Not everyone

I think it's a shrewd move by Biden to counter Chinese influence in the region. Australia is a good ally.

[TreasonousBastard]

17. It's still very clumsy.

[Demsrule86]

20. I don't. Bringing jobs here is Biden's job.

[Zeitghost]

12. We are selling the Aussies Subs

They were supposed to buy them from the French.

[TreasonousBastard]

7. Eisenhower again proven prophetic. Some defense contractors...

snuck under the White House door.

[tirebiter]

19. Eisenhower created the MIC

That was more of an admission than a prophecy

[ymetca]

9. Poor Australia

getting stuck with expensive nuclear subs to "counter China" or something.

Gosh, I just can't help but wonder how much the American taxpayer is subsidizing all this...

[Zeitghost]

15. We aren't

If anything the Australian taxpayers are subsidizing our defense contractors. Exporting advanced high dollar manufactured goods of any sort is good for American workers.

[Demsrule86]

22. Exactly. I don't get why some here think we need to hand over jobs to our allies. We

Need jobs like this.

[Demsrule86]

21. We make huge amounts and get jobs. France was doing a Crappy job.

Why should we just hand over jobs? And these are good jobs.

[tirebiter]

16. Macron must be down in the polls

We got over Degaulle pulling out of NATO. This, too shall pass.

[speak easy]

18. 'Degaulle pulling out of NATO' was a f'uk

but the ambassador was not recalled.

[DFW]

24. DeGaulle pulling out of the military part of NATO was a major finger in our faces.

He never got over France no longer being the center of the world. What he did was a far greater affront, and yes, Macron is indeed down in the polls. And you know what? Most French won't care.

I'm down in France practically every week for work, and speak the language pretty much fluently. There are people there with whom I have worked for over 40 years. I can tell you with 100% certainty that there are no bigger critics of France and their government than the French, themselves.

In the Asterix comics, the French were portrayed as continually bickering among themselves while trying to stave off (mostly) the Romans and Julius Caesar, but also the Goths (the Germans) and the Normans (the Vikings) among others. I don't know how it was in the days of Vercingetorix, but today, it was an accurate depiction.

[speak easy]

27. ...

[DFW]

28. Ils sont fous, ces Romains! n/t

[Xolodno]

25. For everyone saying "good for the US"

You are no different than advocating renaming french fries to freedom fries.

Short term gains for patriotic/economic views...and long time losses. As I pointed out in another post, France was under contract to sell two helicopter carriers to Russia. Which they made a sizeable advance on. The ships were built and ready to be delivered. But under pressure from the USA, contract was canceled. It cost France dearly, repaying Russia and holding two ships they didn't need. And then we screw France again with out negotiating with them with a possible solution? And that France had the capability to provide nuclear subs...albeit slower...

This shit is serious, don't want to believe it, then well, don't expect them to do us any favors. Particularly when it counts. Guess I'll see "Freedom Fries" on the menu again. Not to mention a stronger French-German alliance in the EU....and shit who knows, a Franco-German-Russ alliance.

And don't tell me it can't happen. If I can walk on a street on France with a statue of Thomas Jefferson and then walk another street named after Joseph Stalin...you don't have global perspectives.

[DFW]

29. The French got a big laugh when the Republicans did that

For decades, the French had been trying to get us to stop calling that particular form of preparing potatoes "French" fries, as they are a Belgian invention, and most French consider being called a Belgian an insult (standing jokes abound).

So FINALLY, after 50 years or more, a group of Americans decides to do what the French had been demanding all these years, and then, before they can even thank us, they find out it was meant as an insult. And we sometimes wonder why the Europeans think that Americans have a screw loose.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

26. Relax France,when we go to war with China over Taiwan there will be plenty of new weapons contracts