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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBOMBSHELL: Designer of AOC's 'Tax The Rich' Met Gala Dress Owes Over $100K in Back Taxes
James is a notorious tax deadbeat with unpaid debts dogging her in multiple states, reported the Post, digging up records that show six IRS tax liens totaling $103,220 on the parent company of her fashion brand, three open tax warrants in New York State for failing to withhold $14,798 in income taxes from employee paychecks (plus twelve other since-resolved NY tax warrants), and a $17,000 fine for failing to carry workers compensation insurance.
Shes also a rent deadbeat, the Post claims, describing an eviction action by James previous landlord along with a demand for more than $25,000 plus interest for staying beyond her lease. The case was settled for an undisclosed amount.
Another previous landlord reportedly sued James for more $5,000 in unpaid rent, sending her a letter complaining that she had never have paid your rent in a timely manner.
https://www.mediaite.com/entertainment/designer-of-aocs-tax-the-rich-met-gala-dress-owes-over-100k-in-back-taxes-accused-of-being-a-rent-deadbeat-and-running-sweatshop-of-unpaid-interns-report/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mediaite/
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treestar
(82,383 posts)I suppose she thinks she is not rich herself, and resents being taxed so much, and thinks it is those richer than she who should be the ones to pay.
madville
(7,412 posts)People need to relax a little and have more fun with these types of stories, being so serious about everything all the time must be miserable!
Enter stage left
(3,398 posts)We absolutely need truth in reporting, and if this is the truth, AOC needs to distance herself & condemn her associate.
George II
(67,782 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Thanks for posting it.
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)FBaggins
(26,758 posts)The NYPost piece links directly to tax records for LA County, NYC, and the federal government. Did you expect Mediaite to say "we clicked the links and confirmed the story" ?
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)when they have independently confirmed. This is standard practice.
FBaggins
(26,758 posts)How odd.
and yes, they do state when they have independently confirmed.
Not when there isn't any doubt.
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)Quite frankly, I really don't care. This is an independent business person who has to stand up for their own practices. It is the smearing of AOC or any other democrat for the behavior of someone else that is unacceptable and I'm not even particularly a fan or hers nor supportive of her myself. Repeating and promoting RW reporting is beyond questionable to me on DU, but whatever rocks your boat.
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)Again it is ironic I am having to defend against smearing an elected democrat and one I don't especially favor. It used to be expected that we would not use guilt by association promoted by the RW to do so. Certainly dating back as far as Obama and the Reverend Wright bullshit. But, you be you.
FBaggins
(26,758 posts)Be careful shifting gears that quickly.
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)FBaggins
(26,758 posts)The tax records back up the story.
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)and though I, like many on this board are at best equivocal about AOC, the attempt to smear her by association is beyond crappy and unworthy of this board IMO. So, do tell me. Where does HER name appear on any of those linked documents?
Like I said, I join many in being at best equivocal about AOC, but respect the intent of this board to support Dems and not smear them (even by association). So I'm done. Enjoy your day. If you want to argue about her or any other elected Dem with me, personally, kindly wait until the next primaries.
Ellipsis
(9,124 posts)sheshe2
(83,904 posts)Hypocrisy at it's best.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)Don't bash Democratic public figures
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The origin piece is from a right wing rag hit piece called the NY Post. I am instantly suspect.
Budi
(15,325 posts)🥂
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Among a growing # of other reputable media venues.
They aren't all copying & pasting NYPost.
They do their own factchecking.
Turns out NY Post was more factchecked this time.
Best to look at who wrote the piece.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)FBaggins
(26,758 posts)... is not "assume that any bad news about a Democrat is 'fake news!' and avoid posting it"
Nothing in the OP violates the rule.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)This is the written Fox News. We at DU now accept what Fox News, and it's written equivalent's write. Why not start posting supermarket scandal sheet articles as news?
No other place is reporting this, only the original story in the NY Post, and the RW echo chamber.
FBaggins
(26,758 posts)You can't refer to mediaite as part of the right-wing echo chamber.
Nor does a story first being reported by a right-wing source make it a "right-wing smear". Some part of the reporting would have to be knowingly untrue for that to be the case.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)I think I'm done with this thread.
FBaggins
(26,758 posts)when a more respectable news organization picks it up?
Did you note that you were post #171? Could that happen if the DU community agreed that the OP violated two rules?
Hint - if a story is true and you dont like it
the rules arent there to make it go away.
FlyingPiggy
(3,384 posts)In a never ending line of hit pieces. This RW smear machine would make reporting of weather be about how awful socialist marxist commy democrats have manipulated the weather to kill fetuses and take away their guns. NYP is anything but even the faintest hint of journalism. Any defense of this bullshit rag is indefensible. If you want to talk about the weather, find a source that reputable.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)It apparently is true.
Whether AOC was aware of it is another issue altogether.
FlyingPiggy
(3,384 posts)From all of the people Im buying stuff from. Or do a complete background check on every vendor. Thats crazy.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)speak easy
(9,306 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)and some people here, in this thread, are using it to attack her. IT's violating two DU rules.
1: Don't attack Democrats
2: Don't peddle right wing smears (NY Post)
George II
(67,782 posts)....is a persistent tax scofflaw.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)the world BOMBSHELL makes it an attack. See, she said tax the rich on a dress, but she bought it at someone who doesn't pay her taxes. See. See! She's a hypocrite so no one should listen to her or take her seriously
This is a typical right wing tactic. I was attacked because, when the water crisis hit, I hadn't made my opinions known because I hadn't researched it enough. When I was told "Big Ag" takes 72% of the water, I responded that Big Ag is a huge lobby in AZ and that might be hard to break unless everything falls our way.
Instantly, I was attacked as being a shill for Big Ag, which is not the case.
If you don't think this is an around the back attack by the origin of the article, the NY Post, to discredit and de-legitimize her and people like her, then we need to work on how right wing smears and their echo chamber works.
George II
(67,782 posts)I didn't read the NY Post article, I read the Mediaite article.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)going to the NY Post. . .
Voltaire2
(13,170 posts)mcar
(42,374 posts)You can't because she isn't.
JustAnotherGen
(31,896 posts)A Democratic Party politician. She's not a candidate.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)Again, the original ariticle is from the written version of the NY Post.
Nixie
(16,976 posts)about
five of six years ago with all the little innuendo put-downs spouted as campaign chants. Speeches. Wall Street. Corporations. Lol, this is hilarious .
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)Nixie
(16,976 posts)will be spun now. its just the hypocrisy of being a scold about the rich and taxes but wearing a dress by someone who hasnt paid her taxes. Oh dear!
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)You realize the NY Post is the ONLY "newspaper" reporting this. This is how the right wing smear machine echo chamber works.
Nixie
(16,976 posts)used against Democrats
beloved and respected Democrats, all for a political advantage during a campaign. Its shameful. Many superficial scolds were part of that period.
This is all over DailyMail, too. Someone here posted a link to that site a few days ago about this subject matter, so I guess its a good one now, lol.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)The thing is, you really can't take down AOC in her district. Hers is one of the safest, being D+31 I believe.
Nixie
(16,976 posts)now, so its good to see you on board with correcting that time period where there was so much dishonest messaging. Bravo! Now you see how the RW runs with all these superficial slogans that real Democrats defeated at the ballot box twice now. Lets not feed the RWers !
But not everyone is in a safe district, so they cant indulge themselves in this kind of messaging. They have to appeal to their local denizens. One district in New York is just one district in New York.
JustAnotherGen
(31,896 posts)I'm seeing it as her taking advantage of AOC.
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #117)
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malaise
(269,157 posts)Make them al pay
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)After all, if she cared about taxing the rich, she never would have had her dress designed by a "tax cheat." That will be the attack.
Since we all know the NY Post has the most stellar reputation of being non-biased and truthful. Just like "fair and balanced" Fox News.
Remind me again who owns both and what their political alignments are. I forgot.
jml510
(10,893 posts)to click on this thread.
mcar
(42,374 posts)If not, she's not very intelligent.
nocoincidences
(2,230 posts)Intelligent does not seem to apply to this designer's abilities.
Budi
(15,325 posts)If ever there were an award for masters of spin & deflection to own the headlines, it would be that gad awful opportunistic family.
They played the sensational media game like pros. And created their own drama stories like a script for one end game. Profit..
They didn't give a shit what peole thought about one headlne before the next was rolled out. They used the media & played the drama addicted viewers.. And look where they are now!
They're now millionares & billionares!!
They achieved what they came for.
It's just business afterall!!
Capitalism, Corporatism & self fullfilment of being in that club of society.
All ya need is a cool schtick & a good press agent, & your in!
betsuni
(25,618 posts)the slogan on the dress and the designer didn't want to say no. Perhaps why the slogan was on the back, maybe nobody would notice! That's my theory.
The designer maybe thought nobody would bother looking into her past (but claiming to be working class -- I know it's popular for Justice Democrats-types to believe that nobody except the working class can possibly understand inequality so everybody wants to say they're working class, but it's asking for trouble when it's not true), or she didn't think she's done anything wrong anyway (it's business, status quo).
mcar
(42,374 posts)The designer obviously wanted to get attention by designing AOC's Met Gala gown. Did she really think no one would notice the message on the dress and bother to look into her own claims/finances?
Maybe she didn't think she was doing anything wrong.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)with the theme of "America" and all she can come up with is a wedding dress with a slogan on the back?
msongs
(67,441 posts)PatSeg
(47,600 posts)Though I agree with the sentiment, "Tax the Rich", I didn't care for the way it was conveyed. It can be hard to take elected representatives seriously when they resort to gimmicks like this. I don't see how this served any good purpose. Democrats already agree with taxing the rich and republicans will just ridicule the peculiar antic and use it against Democrats.
Good intentions, but bad judgment is how I see it.
sheshe2
(83,904 posts)An ex-intern called James quite cold, adding that she never gives recognition or acknowledgement to her team.
Reps for James and Ocasio-Cortez declined to respond to the Posts requests for comment.
From your link.
George II
(67,782 posts)...the multi-millionaire designer of a "Tax the Rich" dress who apparently doesn't pay her own taxes.
sheshe2
(83,904 posts)No comment I guess.
This is unfrucking believable.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)Igel
(35,358 posts)And therefore shouldn't be asked to pay taxes.
Or, apparently, rent.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)Quasi News organization with a history of distortion make me queasy.
Ocelot II
(115,856 posts)3catwoman3
(24,046 posts)And the barely there, see thru dresses- might as well just show up naked.
PatSeg
(47,600 posts)These kind of events often seem to be a contest to see who can look the most weird and awful. The worst dresses tend to get the most publicity.
blogslug
(38,016 posts)The gown brought attention to the issue. A whole lot of people are still screeching about that dress. If the attention reveals that designer needs to pay her taxes, I'm cool with it.
George II
(67,782 posts)...is taxed but apparently doesn't bother to pay her own taxes.
blogslug
(38,016 posts)The words TAX THE RICH will be read and seen over and over.
It wasn't much of a design anyway. Probably a stock dress with words heat-transferred on it.
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)tax the rich , blah ,blah,blah, - don't worry about it ! don't get a damn handle on this c-19 crurd , you won't have any tax payer's left anyway ! consider the main problem first , then go after the secondary later ! this country need's to get it's priorities straight ! who gives a shit about a damn dress when ya got medical staff dropping over from exhausting hour's ! give me a fucking break !
cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)blogslug
(38,016 posts)yardwork
(61,709 posts)cinematicdiversions
(1,969 posts)It is in the same neighborhood.
yardwork
(61,709 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Doodley
(9,128 posts)energy conference in a gas guzzler. It is just right-wing fodder to attack taxing the rich.
and it gives some people another excuse to attack AOC...because of course it is somehow her fault that this woman didn't pay her taxes.
And yes, it gives a whole lot of people an excuse to demand that no one tax rich people.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/taxes/richest-americans-pay-almost-no-income-taxes-report-finds-n1270069
TomDaisy
(1,908 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)madaboutharry
(40,220 posts)She was apparently very able to pay her taxes and her rent, but rather choose not to. That is a failing of character.
Bettie
(16,126 posts)you'd very likely find that nearly all of the very wealthy people at that party have outstanding tax bills.
The IRS doesn't really go after wealthy people for back taxes.
https://www.gq.com/story/no-irs-audits-for-the-rich
small excerpt:
The Internal Revenue Service is in a bind. The agency's job is to collect the taxes that fund everything else in the government, from Social Security to the Post Office to Medicaid to the military's endless conflicts across the globe. But the IRS is struggling: According to Vox, Americans owe a cumulative $131 billion in unpaid taxes, enough to completely fund the Department of Education for two years. The bulk of that money is owed by the wealthiest people in the country, yet the IRS isn't attempting to collect it from them. Instead, as IRS Commissioner Charles Rettig confirmed in a letter to Congress recently, the agency literally can't afford to audit the rich, so it's pursuing the poor instead.
ProPublica has published multiple stories on the sad state of the modern IRS over the past year. They found that a person is more likely to get audited if they make $20,000 a year than if they make $400,000. That's because it takes a lot less time, money, and people to investigate someone who receives the earned income tax credit, one of the government's largest anti-poverty programs, than it does to look into the complicated holdings and filings of someone else making 20 times as much. And even further up the economic ladder, things aren't any better: Millionaires were 80 percent less likely to be audited in 2018 than they were in 2011.
This is the direct result of years of conservative-led efforts to successfully defund, defang, and delegitimize the IRS. Over the past eight years, Congress has steadily reduced the agency's enforcement budget by billions of dollars, down 25 percent from what it was in 2008. And by cutting out only relatively small chunks at a time, the gutting has largely avoided public outcry. Unsurprisingly, according to ProPublica, the IRS is in disarray on the inside, resulting in "a bureaucracy on life support."
JHB
(37,162 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)"TAX THE RICH" they said.
Wow. the hypocrisy
(Declined to comment 🙄
betsuni
(25,618 posts)But if you know them, then they're grassroots billionaires and are okay, or something.
Budi
(15,325 posts)"Declined to comment". It says.
Bucky
(54,068 posts)Simple enough solution for this scandal.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)I don't see how this could or should be a "scandal." She was a customer. I'm sure others are customers with the same political views.
Bernie Sanders lives in a big house. . .obviously he doesn't care about the poor.
In 1977, a writer with Rolling Stone laughed when Harry Chapin, a tireless advocate against world hunger, went into a dinner and ordered a monster sized Reuben and a pile of french fries. Chapin smiled and said "me going hungry doesn't help anyone."
AOC is the same way. She advertised her message on a dress. The designer is a loser. Not on AOC. And don't give me vetting. AOC is a human being, not a saint.
If this is all people have (when the Republicans are trying to destroy the poor and supported insurrectionist), this faux-scandal and fake outrage is sickening.
Budi
(15,325 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)whathehell
(29,091 posts)yardwork
(61,709 posts)It's sad to me that Democrats attack one another while Republicans support one another while doing so much worse.
Jedi Guy
(3,251 posts)And I say that as someone who's not really a fan of hers. She's done/said a lot of things I'm not fond of, but this isn't even a blip on the radar.
Me.
(35,454 posts)She has a smart team and the idea that this was not fully vetted boggles my mind.
Jedi Guy
(3,251 posts)That said, it never would've occurred to me, but I guess that's why I'm not a staffer to a Congresswoman.
FBaggins
(26,758 posts)But it was a far more extensive relationship than that. They were essentially on a double date, planned the message out with intent (AOC explicitly referred to it as "our message" as "working-class women of color" , and it provided James with a platform that got her published on the subject.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)betsuni
(25,618 posts)FBaggins
(26,758 posts)Thanks for making us look exactly like the right portrays us.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)has the same economic policies as Republicans ("corporate Dems" "establishment" "status quo" ), and only democratic socialists (utopian saviors) can transform the corrupt party into one that cares about the working/middle classes, that the American people are secretly socialists and it is only the corrupt establishment preventing progress.
Handing the Right the enemy that they want on a silver platter.
Patton French
(778 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-post/
Overall we rate the New York Post on the far end of Right-Center Biased due to story selection that typically favors the Right and Mixed (borderline questionable) for factual reporting based on several failed fact checks.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)and we all know how trustworthy Fox News is.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)woman.
If you want to, that's your business.
If she is a tax deadbeat, that's for the IRS to deal with. Still trying to see how AOC is at fault for that, or how it shows she is a hypocrite.
Stop attacking Democrats directly or indirectly. It's a DU rules violation, as its peddling right wing smears.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)The site the OP cited says the New York Post's factual reporting is "mixed".
lapucelle
(18,327 posts)The parent corporation she founded to handle her business enterprises withheld taxes from employees and then failed to pay them to the federal government. One iteration of Aurora James exists as a corporate entity that fails to pay its taxes.
Cultural Brokerage Agency LLC
https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ny/4083867
State Tax Warrant Notice System
https://appext20.dos.ny.gov/stwarrants_public/stw_warrants?p_name=CULTURAL+BROKERAGE+AGENCY+LLC&p_lapsed=0
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Federal Liens for failure to remit federal witholding taxes:
Office of the City Register
https://a836-acris.nyc.gov/DS/DocumentSearch/DocumentImageView?doc_id=2018042800004036
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https://portal.assessor.lacounty.gov/parceldetail/5564017012
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I wonder how the appropriately- masked train bearer felt.
Link to tweet
sheshe2
(83,904 posts)Cha
(297,665 posts)Nixie
(16,976 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)behind none the less.
Bring on the condemnation!
Tell us we're hypocrites for being delinquent!
George II
(67,782 posts)We're talking about Ms. James:
- Failing to pay NYS taxes 15 times since 2015
- Failing to pay NYC taxes (probably a similar number of times since they're prepared together for most)
- Deducting withholding taxes from employees' pay but failing to forward it to the IRS
- Already delinquent on property taxes on a $1.6M house in Hollywood Hills that she bought only last year
This would normally be a non-story except that she designed a dress emblazoned with "Tax the Rich" in big red letters, all the while knowing that she was rich, she was taxed, and she failed to pay those taxes.
That is where the "hypocrisy" might come in. I know first-hand that's not the way it's done in Canada.
orleans
(34,073 posts)i did a search for du on that site
and while we (du) land between left and extreme our factual reporting is "mixed"
facebook, on the other hand, (left center), had factual reporting of "mostly factual" LOL
orangecrush
(19,617 posts)Seems to make some people very nervous.
I admire her, and her work.
She is one of those actively sought by the 1/6 mob, and narrowly escaped.
I find the attacks on her on THIS WEBSITE to be completely disgusting.
Budi
(15,325 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)PS - this thread is about Aurora James.
Response to George II (Reply #145)
Post removed
RockRaven
(15,001 posts)The existence of a tax scofflaw does not undermine the position of a legislator advocating for higher taxes on certain parties.
That said, it is an unnecessary and avoidable distraction from the intended point. One which corporate media will revel in, because of their own tax-avoiding interests.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)And I was correct!
BradAllison
(1,879 posts)If only there were real prizes.
leftstreet
(36,112 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Ron Green
(9,823 posts)The other one aint.
George II
(67,782 posts).....going to elaborate on?
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)In this statement/question.
Voltaire2
(13,170 posts)Same shit different shitter.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)Don't peddle right-wing talking points, smears, or sources
Do not post right-wing talking points or smears. Do not post content sourced from right-wing publications, authors, or pundits. Exceptions are permitted if you provide a clear reason for doing so that is consistent with the values of this website.
Why we have this rule: News media and the Internet are already awash with conservative propagandists attacking our candidates and our values -- we're not interested in providing them with another outlet. We understand that many of our members might hold some conservative viewpoints on isolated issues, but nobody here should be parroting hateful garbage from the RNC, the NRA, or the Family Research Council. Forum members should expect that the only time they'll have to read a right-wing smear or an article from Breitbart is when someone is pointing and laughing at it.
The mediaite article even says "According to the NY Post." That is a right wing rag and this is a right wing smear.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)Conclusions one draws from the article about the designer are all in the mind of the reader.
AZLD4Candidate
(5,755 posts)It would be the same as saying: "BOMBSHELL: Bernie Sanders lives in a million dollar mansion after making millions off his book deal."
You can't be so naive to know this BOMBSHELL is designed as a smear.
One of my campaign planks is to invest in renewable energy. Imagine this article headline if I am elected: "BOMBSHELL. Arizona State Rep. Aram Katz drive an internal combustion engine that uses gasoline." The implication is I am a hypocrite because I don't drive a hybrid or an electric car, so therefore all my work for environmental causes and renewable energy is hypocritical.
As with AOC and her deadbeat dress designer. I could buy things from a store where the owner beats their children. "BOMBSHELL: Arizona State Rep. Aram Katz shops at store where owners are arrested for child abuse." The implication, again, is my work to try to outlaw corporal punishment in Arizona schools (yes, it is still legal) is hypocritical because I should have known the owners of the store abused their children.
Voltaire2
(13,170 posts)I rest my case.
George II
(67,782 posts)Sympthsical
(9,115 posts)They didn't like the dress or the message, so they went digging. Pretty thoroughly, too. Damn.
But trying to filter it through Mediaite with a cute little bias graphic is a transparent attempt to skirt around the fact you're posting a right-wing hit piece from a right-wing source. I get it. If it splashes AOC with any amount of shit, it needs to be posted immediately. That's fine, usual, predictable. Carrying the Right's water to get some knocks in on AOC is almost trite at this point.
But the hilariously limp laundering of a right-wing hit through a secondary website is deeply funny. Like anyone doesn't see that for what it is. Should've scribbled "Have an A1 day!" at the bottom while we're making the effort.
Anyway, I think this filled my bingo card for the week.
"Post right-wing hit job to get some hits against a progressive" That's at least worth four corners on the thing.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)And transparent.
What's next, we quote American Spectator articles about a real estate investment?
Sympthsical
(9,115 posts)Then you wouldn't be posting a right-wing hit!
It's magical.
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)Ok then.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)the posts I have read by you...I kind of think any outrage may be misplaced.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Otherwise, anyone could have immediately proven it.
Voltaire2
(13,170 posts)Follows up with too busy to prove it.
Nice.
George II
(67,782 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)https://appext20.dos.ny.gov/stwarrants_public/stw_warrants?p_name=CULTURAL+BROKERAGE+AGENCY+LLC&p_lapsed=0
https://a836-acris.nyc.gov/DS/DocumentSearch/DocumentImageView?doc_id=2018042800004036
and, to make sure both coasts are covered:
https://portal.assessor.lacounty.gov/parceldetail/5564017012
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Rightwing sources thinks this somehow invalidates the message
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Other outlets just quotetweets the Post.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...are forced to pay. Don't you agree?
progressoid
(49,999 posts)It's easy. Just find the attack ad against her from the Republican Governors Association.
George II
(67,782 posts)Why drag her into this discussion? I don't understand.
progressoid
(49,999 posts)Same reason you would post something about a Canadian clothing designer?
Budi
(15,325 posts)"Millionares & Billionares"
Sympthsical
(9,115 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Waiting....
Sympthsical
(9,115 posts)Not really something I'd expect on a site for liberals and progressives.
Please proceed. I see the circle has already formed.
I'm just wondering about the fate of the cookie.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Here's my post you refer to. It says bernie where again? That's right. It doesn't.
Budi
52. Is the NY Post story wrong then? Is Politico RW as well, now under their new mgmt?.
"Millionares & Billionares"
BTW, That still doesn't answer my question.
Still waiting...
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)progressive.
Sympthsical
(9,115 posts)A right-wing hit piece by a right-wing source is posted for the express purpose of splashing an elected Democrat with its shit.
C'mon.
I could take the whole "For Democrats" cant seriously if it wasn't only employed for some Democrats and not for others in such an embarrassingly obvious manner.
AOC is often attacked, with great relish, on this site. You know, a site for supporting elected Democrats.
But that little "For Democrats!" goes right out the window with frequency when she is involved.
If you're fine with a right-wing hit piece by a right-wing media outlet meant to damage an elected Democrat being posted here, that's cool.
But let's not use the "for Democrats" line. It insults us both. Especially within the context of this thread. This isn't just a slip showing. This is the whole damn dress.
Nixie
(16,976 posts)his messaging (hes an Independent). His messaging also lost twice with actual Democrats. So this isnt about how you are trying to twist it to protect AOC from the reality of rejected messaging. You keep trying to make this personal, but its really time that you think about accepting that Bernie was rejected by Democrats, so this really isnt about Democrats as much as you want to make it.
Sympthsical
(9,115 posts)Oh, I wasn't agreeing. Was just filling in my card. Is everyone here? Glance, glance, yes.
See how Bernie's dragged in now? To deflect from attacks on an elected Democrat?
I love this stuff. I am all about transparency and the obvious. So the easier that is, the happier the clam I am. And right now, I'm downright chowdery.
Nixie
(16,976 posts)Google Bernie Bingo. Its a hilarious compilation of all the little buzzwords, cliches and slogans. All part of a losing campaign, so its obvious that AOC is about the only way to keep that alive so saying shes elected means we all have to shut up about where the losing messaging came from.
And since were keeping score
thanks for showing your desire to make things personal instead of being objective and realistic.
Budi
(15,325 posts)No one has mentioned his name here but you.
Here, I'l make it easy.
Sympthsical
109. Trying to drag Bernie into a right-wing hit job
Not really something I'd expect on a site for liberals and progressives.
Please proceed. I see the circle has already formed.
I'm just wondering about the fate of the cookie
You brought his name into the thread.
At least own it.
Thanks
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)Afghanista. I find it amusing. It is on CNN by the way.
George II
(67,782 posts)....the designer probably isn't even a Democrat. In fact, unless she recently was naturalized, she's Canadian.
She designed the most talked about dress at the Gala, and outside of fashion and high society circles was virtually unknown until this week.
If you actually read the article linked in the OP, you'll see that other than in the first sentence and last comment about representatives declining to comment, she wasn't even mentioned in the body of the article.
George II
(67,782 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Demovictory9
(32,475 posts)never rich. just a struggling entrepreneuer
betsuni
(25,618 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 19, 2021, 06:32 AM - Edit history (1)
$1.6 million house perfectly normal for a working class "struggling entrepreneur."
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)betsuni
(25,618 posts)Doesn't that count for authentic, consistent, speaking truth to power, billionaires shouldn't exist, wealthy donors are bad (the designer contributed $2,700 to Hillary Clinton so Hillary was "beholden." )
Sorry, I don't buy into promulgating attacks on Dems... Even those with which I disagree on occasion.
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)Are you dragging HRC into this too? If I am misunderstanding you, please clarify.
Otherwise...
betsuni
(25,618 posts)corrupting Democrats. Hello somebody! The only pure and innocent contribution is $3 or $27. Duh.
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)you would be better understood. I don't need your "duh"...
betsuni
(25,618 posts)hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)myself. That is why I asked you to clarify.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)What? Don't know what that means. Clarify.
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)I don't know why when AOC is the subject that DUers seem to be incited to the point of back and forth snark. I am not her biggest fan, but I can also see when the RW is using it in ways not limited to facts.
But, I will stay out of these threads in the future. A no-brainer (perhaps a "duh" ) on my part.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)Democrats and the only pure and innocent contribution is $3 or $27 (because that's "grassroots" )?
How is that limited to "duh"? Calling them "corporate Democrats," the accusation Democrats are corrupt is common, that Democrats aren't progressive, the party is "too big of a tent" because both parties are too much the same. That's a fact.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Wall Shtreet. Though we never knew what it was about...whoo boy did that association matter back then.
Now it's ok.
How times have changed! Huh.
betsuni
(25,618 posts)proof of evil warmongering and so on. That was quite popular along with Wall Street Goldman Sachs Wall Street Goldman Sachs. Hillary was more dangerous than Trump! So much stupid.
And we were constantly told about "bad optics." Everything was optics. Well ...
hlthe2b
(102,361 posts)Mediate is merely reporting on the accusations, but because they originate with Murdoch's rag, I'd be rather suspicious... Unfortunately, the former did not indicate any attempt to independently confirm the information before passing it along. That then makes us equally culpable. Granted I have mixed feelings about the entire episode, but I'd advise we all be cautious before propagating anything from NY Post.
KG
(28,752 posts)the butt-hurt. it never ends
Devil Child
(2,728 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,962 posts)How is it AOCs fault?
This article seems to be smear by association.
Source: https://www.spiegel.de/international/banning-the-swastika-should-germany-s-history-become-europe-s-a-337722.html
My take-away: In the fashion world, we may need to do a background check on artists.
TxGuitar
(4,209 posts)Amazon. GE, Koch Industries, Exxon...
mcar
(42,374 posts)Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)Collect taxes from the rich!
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)yardwork
(61,709 posts)I thought the gala was a fundraising event.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)tonedevil
(3,022 posts)Costume Institute.
yardwork
(61,709 posts)I thought the gala was a fundraising event.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)If only Republicans were hated here as much as she is.
George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Fuck that shit .
George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Own it.
George II
(67,782 posts)None of us should like people who don't pay their taxes. Do you think it's okay?
Plus, based on documents posted elsewhere here, this wasn't a one-time oversight or error. The fact that she's failed to pay her taxes is habitual. She's been short on tax payments for years, most recently July 2021 (just about 2 months ago).
https://appext20.dos.ny.gov/stwarrants_public/stw_warrants?p_name=CULTURAL+BROKERAGE+AGENCY+LLC&p_lapsed=0
One would think the girlfriend of an heir to a billion dollar fortune would have a good tax accountant.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)Nixie
(16,976 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 19, 2021, 05:08 PM - Edit history (1)
taxes
then hang out with a tax cheat. Wow! And the scolds were not only directed at RWers, as you know. There were years of innuendo about supposedly corrupt Democrats, all BS.
Edit:the scold comment was about messaging from a campaign.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)som designers tax problems. Talk about bullshit nixie, this is rw bullshit . You should try scolding republicans instead of good Democrats. Now run along and complain about these women who have worn her designs
Diana Veras, Imaan Hammam, Solange, Beyoncé. to name just a few.
Nixie
(16,976 posts)Maloney here when she was just wearing a dress about womens rights. None of those women you mentioned are proxies of a failed campaign and failed messaging. None of those women you mentioned slimed popular Democrats with nasty innuendo about corruption.
Also, I wont be running along. I vote for the winners in the mainstream of my party so Im here to stay. Its the losers who have to come to terms with reality and start running along and accept that the hypocrisy has been exposed, yet again.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Nixie
(16,976 posts)about Bernie. There are many progressive Democrats long before he came along, so he/she dont have exclusive rights to that word used mostly to browbeat people. We all know what he said about Democrats, so your statements are just not accurate. His messaging was rejected, and thats reality.
We also know which Democrats AOC referred to via Bernies campaign with smears of corruption by chanting Wall Street, etc. This is old well-known history.
But it is funny the obsession some have with Joe Manchin. He uses some of the tactics that another fringe politician uses, lol.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Nixie
(16,976 posts)that beat Bernie, so no. Im thrilled. No reason to repeat messaging from a losing campaign, though, so no to that, too. Sorry!
George II
(67,782 posts)...(if that's what you want to call it) a person who has had habitual problems with paying her taxes - in now four jurisdictions: Federal, NYS, NYC, and Los Angeles.
From what can be gleaned, Aurora James (the subject of this discussion) is not a Democrat inasmuch as it appears she's not an American citizen.
I wonder who she's supporting in tomorrow's Federal election?
Autumn
(45,120 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Only to the right wingers and a few DUers.
RAB910
(3,511 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Are we now filtering & sanitizing what's questioned about our Dem Reps & Sens?
Since When?
Show me one day on DU that is void of any one of our Dems being taken to task for decisions they've made.
I'll wait...
RAB910
(3,511 posts)like the GOP/anti-American right?
Budi
(15,325 posts)Checking the wayback machine....Yup! Pretty much every day!!
That's a real smdh statement.
Ha!
Me.
(35,454 posts)The pretzels people will twist themselves into
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Whudda hyppocrite
ChubbyStar
(3,191 posts)RAB910
(3,511 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)The entire situation is a mess... from accepting as a gift an appearance at a function where a ticket costs $30-35K each, or $275k a table, wearing a finger wagging gown only to find out the designer is one of the tax cheats that is costing this country money. This will come back to bite the rep even bigger than it is now.
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)are always a hot topic...but when the tables turn, you are all upset. Honestly, Manchin and Sinema keep us in the majority. AOC is in a deep blue Democratic district. I like her, but I didn't like the 'tax the rich dress' personally and I think this is pretty funny actually. It won't hurt AOC, she is very popular, and this is more amusing than damaging. But if this became an earth-shattering scandal (which it won't), we still keep the seat and that is all that matters to me at this moment.
Some of the same people complaining that this OP is a (non-existent) smear on AOC have no problem truly smearing other Democrats, calling them DINOs, Republicans, Corporate wh#$es, warmongers, etc.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Will quote this next time a sensationalist Politico Headline shows up. Now that they've been bought by a foreigh RWinger.
panader0
(25,816 posts)Budi
(15,325 posts)Later.
RAB910
(3,511 posts)GoCubsGo
(32,093 posts)I guess AOC is going to have to do a tax audit on who ever makes her clothes every time she gets dressed from here on out? SMGDH. This smacks of the bullshit they pushed about Barack Obama allegedly being BFFEs with Bill Ayers, just because they both attended the same event once.
LetMyPeopleVote
(145,562 posts)SYFROYH
(34,183 posts)...individual discrepancies on individual companies at bills.
I see no irony. Just a poor attempt at a gotcha moment.
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)we owed taxes due to an honest mistake, we received a threatening letter and had to begin a payment plan immediately...ordinary people are even taxed on Social Security and Unemployment...so I think this is an example of what is wrong with our tax system...apparently, the color of IRS justice is green- just like our justice system overall.
George II
(67,782 posts)It's obvious, in this case at least, the rich did get taxed but the rich didn't pay those taxes.
Maybe we need a new slogan?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Or are we here to score points?
Cha
(297,665 posts)Nixie
(16,976 posts)Its amazing to see how tangential associations are now so irrelevant after years of just regurgitating Wall Street and that meant
guilty! Haha!!
Thank you, George!
Budi
(15,325 posts)If anyone can put a bandaid on an open media bleeding wound its those 2.
Luke & Chris. Quite the gig they got!
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)Democrats, they donate too...I will be reminded of this post.
Budi
(15,325 posts)It's pretty sickening.
Like a middle finger to those who supported & took the slogan serious enough to answer their fundraising call.
Demsrule86
(68,683 posts)maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)I mean, AOC obviously knew that James owed back taxes and still used her. It was deliberate because she's such a huge hypocrite and doesn't really want to Tax the Rich. "Find me a dress by a tax deadbeat designer, I need to sabotage the plan to Tax the Rich or it's going to succeed!" she screamed at her overworked staffers.
Now Taxing the Rich will never happen, and it was all but a sure thing because Sinema & Manchin were surely on board with it...
Budi
(15,325 posts)5 years later.
Anyone? Maybe I missed it.
Nixie
(16,976 posts)the rich and left office with a balanced budget. There is also never mention of Al Gore, a pioneer in climate change from decades ago. Its all slogans.
Budi
(15,325 posts)CHIP was established after the comprehensive health care reform proposed by the then president Bill Clinton failed. The late Massachusetts Senator Ted Kennedy and Senator Orin Grant Hatch were co-sponsors of the bill with significant support from Hillary Clinton.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK539903/
Children's Health Insurance Program
In 1997, a significant milestone was established in health care delivery for children in the United States of America. The United States Congress made a special provision in the Balanced Budget Act of 1997. The Act established the State Children Health Insurance Program (CHIP), which is Title XXI of the Social Security Act.[1]
This legislation was deemed at the time as the single most important investment in childrens health care. The Children Health Insurance Program (CHIP) does not provide universal health coverage for every child, but rather it opened up insurance coverage for a large pool of uninsured children.
MORE
Budi
(15,325 posts)...somehow didn't exist before the year 2015.
It's crazy ain't it?
Nixie
(16,976 posts)Ignoring history hasnt been good for young voters, either, but looks like they are catching on.
H2O Man
(73,610 posts)Not a surprise, nor even close to a bombshell.
Lancero
(3,014 posts)https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/mediaite/
Sensationalist headline, and originally sourced from NY Post. Seems pretty accurate. No surprise that you left that particular bit out about improper sourcing when you decided to use MBFC as a defense for posting RW talking points.
Whats next, gonna start posting stuff sourced from Breitbart?
Budi
(15,325 posts)Only THIS one seems to have triggeed a new rule.
🙄
Lancero
(3,014 posts)Here's a nice writeup on their source - https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/new-york-post/
I take it that you consider the New York Post to be a perfectly accurate and acceptable source of information?
Edit - Seriously though, if you want to rely on a RW hit piece to make a point then at least have the honesty and integrity to own that rather than disingenuously use Mediaite as a smokescreen.
Budi
(15,325 posts)Rwers gonna RW.
Wadda ya gonna do
I respectfully won't link it here.
Later
lapucelle
(18,327 posts)https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_ny/4083867
New York State Department of State
State Tax Warrant Notice System
https://appext20.dos.ny.gov/stwarrants_public/stw_warrants?p_name=CULTURAL+BROKERAGE+AGENCY+LLC&p_lapsed=0
New York City Department of Finance
Office of the City Register
https://a836-acris.nyc.gov/DS/DocumentSearch/DocumentImageView?doc_id=2018042800004036
Lancero
(3,014 posts)None of them support the claim that Aurora James has 100k in unpaid debt. Of the state tax warrants, only two were personally attributed to her - Both of which were quickly settled. And the big federal tax lien is against another person entirely.
Unless their are other documents, I think it's pretty accurate to say that the claims that Aurora James has $100k of tax debt is a big load of bullshit.
George II
(67,782 posts)....in paying taxes, more than a dozen times.
There's also the LA County document, too.
Lancero
(3,014 posts)Of the 15 tax warrants, she was only listed as personally liable for two. Both paid. Between that and the $2,500 in property taxes she owes you've got, at best, a argument that she needs to replace whoever handles her taxes with someone more competent.
And the supposed 100k in Federal debt? The document only shows 55k... And it's attributed to another person entirely.
What was the article headline again? Oh - "Designer of AOC's 'Tax The Rich' Met Gala Dress Owes Over $100K in Back Taxes"
Yeah. Inaccurate bullshit at best, standard stuff for the New York Post.
lapucelle
(18,327 posts)There are two "members", one of whom is Aurora James.
https://www.dandb.com/businessdirectory/culturalbrokerageagencyllc-brooklyn-ny-33492823.html
That's why the lien documents name her both personally and as a corporate entity:
INDIVIDUALLY AND AS A RESPONSIBLE PERSON OF
CULTURAL BROKERAGE AGENCY LLC
Cultural Brokerage LLC is the parent company of Brother Vellies whose original name was Schier Shoes. Aurora James partnered with Schier when she first began marketing the vellies that Dutch Afrikaners founded businesses upon. Schier is the other "member" of Cultural Brokerage LLC.
Yes, it is complicated to unwind; that's advantageous to the wealthy, especially when they are skirting their tax responsibilities.
It's stunning when the rich fail to pay their federal taxes, the rent on storefronts in tony NYC neighborhoods, the rent on shops in trendy Brooklyn, and the property taxes on their second homes on the west coast. Maybe the gown was meant as hipster irony.
It's not enough to tax the rich. They also need to be called out when they fail to pay what little tax is already levied on them and their corporate entities.
***************************************************************************************
Wealthy tax scofflaw Aurora James walked the red carpet at the Met gala, proud as can be.
You can see Ms James in her trademark halo hat, to the left and in front of the stooped-over staffer who's carrying the train of the gown worn by the representative from NY-14.
I wonder what he thought of the dress.
*****************************************************************************************
Link to tweet
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)It reminded me of a certain coat, with "I don't care, do you?" written on it with a big paintbrush.
Slogans are for t-shirts and ball caps.
I hope AOC didn't actually have to pay for that outfit.
Treefrog
(4,170 posts)I had the same memory of that coat!
FakeNoose
(32,758 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....at the 2019 Grammy Awards. It was shockingly similar right down to the main color dress and lettering on the back.
I won't post the pictures here, but they're easy to find: "Joy Villa 2019 Grammys".
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,367 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Arazi
(6,829 posts)jalan48
(13,886 posts)the focus to something else.
Cha
(297,665 posts)TY
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)If anything, "tax the rich" sounds more credible from an affluent former tax evader.
George II
(67,782 posts)....that said "Tax the Rich", knowing all too well that SHE is rich, she was taxed, but repeatedly failed to pay those taxes. In four jurisdictions - Federal, NYS, NYC, and LA County.
By the way, at last report the designer is still Canadian, so it's not a "knock" against ANY Democrats, but perhaps against an NDP or Liberal. We don't know.
BTW, who is the "affluent former tax evader" of which you speak? Richard Nixon?
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)So thanks for posting the heartwarming redemption tale
George II
(67,782 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)The message isn't more believable coming from the tax evading designer. That's as ridiculous as saying that the message of "big pharma is corrupt" sounds more credible from someone who profits from and has a cozy relationship with big pharma (or big jet-fighters, or big nuclear-waste, or big whatever-else.)
betsuni
(25,618 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)I would actually welcome former tax evaders getting behind AOC's message of taxing the rich, and I would embrace former Jill Stein voters voting Democrat, but that's just me, I'm unique like that.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Problem solved them
George II
(67,782 posts)But then there were two more on May 4, 2017
And another one on June 8, 2017
And two more on Sept 21, 2017
And two more on May 17, 2018
And two more on June 7, 2018
And another one on Oct 18, 2018
And another one on Dec 13, 2018*
And another one on Feb 7, 2019*
And another one on Oct 10, 2019*
And the last on Jul 1, 2021, which was satisfied on Aug 25, 2021.
*still outstanding, not satisfied
So how many more before you can definitively say "problem solved then", especially since Ms. James/Cultural Brokerage Agency LLC still has three outstanding.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Ms. James is definitely not a beacon of responsibility, is she? These desperate efforts to portray her differently than she truly is are completely absurd... although very amusing.
It's like hearing a politician say something like "...anyone who takes money from Big Pharma is corrupt... except ME! I'm different! It doesn't count when I do it." --- Or when someone like Nina Turner blasts "outside money" coming in to support her opponent... but failing to see the hypocrisy because she, herself, benefited greatly from "outside money". That was funny too. Absurd, but funny.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)we'd be having a different conversation
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... she just refuses to pay, until forced, or threatened with immanent or impending legal consequences and other penalties.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Although it looks like she needs to hire new accountants
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)I mean, the designer is rich, so...
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)People who have a tax record has no right to say "Tax the Rich"
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... someone evil; someone to hate; someone to fear; someone to distrust. There must be an "other" ... if you know what I mean.
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)That's excellent progress and I'm sure everyone looks forward to her paying back the rest of her debt
Too bad some people objectively care more about a clothing designer facing tax enforcement action than the fact that Amazon paid zero corporate taxes in 2018.
George II
(67,782 posts)wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)Once again, look forward to her paying back her taxes. I consider this a win, since most wealthy people don't face tax enforcement.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... she can't be trusted. She has a problem with authority. She's insincere and an opportunist. She's looking for any publicity at all (even if she disagrees with it) because it will help to keep her afloat. (It's kinda like those voice actors that do the negative ads for whichever candidate is running negative ads... the voice actor doesn't necessarily agree with the words he or she is reading... but, it helps to pay keep the lights on and the rent paid... so they do it anyway.)
wellst0nev0ter
(7,509 posts)We need to teach her a lesson she won't forget
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... the actual lesson will be pointing out the hypocrisy.
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