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There is a lot of misinformation out there about this, but quite a bit of truth. This article explains it pretty well, but I don't think I plan on traveling through either of these states until there is some handle on the pandemic...if that ever comes.
More Republican death panels. A universal DNR is an option on the table for these states to ration care to only the ones expected to survive. If a patient codes while vented, they likely won't be resuscitated.
[link:https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/explainer-what-are-crisis-standards-of-care/2021/09/17/15e8fedc-1802-11ec-a019-cb193b28aa73_story.html?variant=116ae929826d1fd3]
KT2000
(20,568 posts)Last edited Sun Sep 19, 2021, 03:24 PM - Edit history (1)
In a hospital. He went to Boise from Washington to participate in a car race. Something happened where he fell backwards and hit his head. Track employees did CPR until EMTs arrived and he was taken to a hospital ER. After tests they determined he needed a cardiac device implanted. They tried to transfer him to a hospital that had cardiac specialists but none had beds available. A doctor agreed to go to the hospital where my nephew is, to do a temporary procedure so he can get back to Seattle for care. My nephew has been housed in the ER because there are no other available beds.
Vaccination rate in Idaho is in the 30s. I have lost my last bit of patience with anti-vaxxers.
After looking at the hospital online, it is Level II trauma and full service cardiac unit. I have to wonder why there were no cardiac surgeons there.
jmowreader
(50,533 posts)One of my papers is running a letter claiming the vaccine does nothing to keep you from getting the disease; it's only supposed to make you feel better while you recover on your own.
We're at the point where it might be best to place the hospitals off limits to the unvaccinated.
I am furious about the selfishness. I have read enough "drama queen" justifications for not getting the vaccines. Our local, rural hospital put up the tent again to take care of overflow. They can't send patients to any other hospitals. That is where the anti-vaxxers should be treated if at all. I do not have a problem with that.
A column in the Seattle Times is about a book, Psychology of Pandemics, by Steven Taylor, University of British Columbia written in 2019. He detailed the behavior during the 1918 Flu that turns out to be exactly what is happening now. He wrote it so people would know what to expect in a coming epidemic. Since we now know what pandemic behavior looks like we have to take steps to control it. These idiots are in control and that is sick.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/mental-health/wondering-why-society-went-off-kilter-during-the-pandemic-it-was-all-predicted-in-this-book/
AllyCat
(16,152 posts)I hope he gets the treatment he needs soon. I struggle with these policies. As a hospital nurse, I cannot imagine facing this but know it is coming. Why wont people do the right thing?
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,817 posts)My brother has had a recent health crisis. My sister and I are thinking we should visit him, probably in early November. The last time either of us saw him was 2010, and his wife some years earlier. He's 78. I'm 73. Sister is 68. We understand quite clearly that at best there is still limited time for all of us.
If we make the trip, we will drive. I'm in New Mexico. Sister is in Kansas. Brother is in the Washington DC area. The up side of such a trip will be seeing various people, including my son who is also in the DC area, and who I last saw in October, 2019.
But as much as I'd like to see those people, I'm still a bit hesitant about such a journey. My state, New Mexico, has a face mask mandate, and people here are VERY good about it. When I go to a store, every single person there is masked. Properly masked. No noses hanging out.
As much as I miss my son, I've been saying that I'm not willing to get on a plane to visit him, and I'm not about to ask him to do something I'm not willing to do. So, aside from the possible visit connected to my brother, it may well be several more years before I see him. And as much as I miss him, that's okay.
In 1962 my mother moved us five kids and herself from Utica, NY, to Tucson AZ to get away from her abusive alcoholic husband. Our father. She absolutely did the right thing. But when we made that move we assumed we would probably never ever see family or friends again. As it turned out, things changed, and visiting family and friends did happen in somewhat later years. So these days, what with Covid, we can't travel much right now, and as far as I'm concerned that's fine, because someday this will end and we'll be able to go back to our previous level of travel.
I personally have always been annoyingly healthy. I will hold my immune system up against pretty much anything. Don't do flu shots. But I did get the vaccine, because I'm not a complete idiot. I'm also old enough to remember the mass vaccinations for polio. Actually, the Catholic school we attended was one of the ones involved in the Salk vaccine trials, and my older sister was one who got the trial shots. Alas, she was in the control group and needed to get the real thing after. Oh, well. At that time there was a kid in my class, Tommy something or another, who'd had polio and walked with crutches. So polio was sort of part of my life.
And while I don't want to minimize polio or Covid, the long term effects of Covid are still not fully understood. Back at the very beginning of this pandemic a friend of mine got Covid and has become one of the long haulers. He had zero opportunity to get the vaccine, and he'll be dealing with this the rest of his life.
Klaralven
(7,510 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,817 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,326 posts)a spring chicken anymore. I don't care how reliable your immune system has been in the past, it's changed. Just like your skin doesn't bounce back like it used to, and some of your bits and parts sag a little more than they did when you were 28, so goes your immune system.
Take it from yours truly, influenza is fucking awful, and if you get a good case of it, it's really easy to understand how it can kill your ass.
Get your flu shot.
/end public service announcement
Ms. Toad
(34,008 posts)AllyCat
(16,152 posts)It wasnt mandated by my employer.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)Plus, if you are concerned about not overburdening the hospitals, it makes sense to get the flu shot to help avoid a "twindemic".
roamer65
(36,744 posts)That way natural selection can do its work and we wont have them plugging up the system.
Ship them off and forget them, IMO.
They made their decision. Let them live or die by it.
Ms. Toad
(34,008 posts)You can have palliative care at any stage in a serious illness - AND - continue treatment to cure the underlying condition.