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DFW

(54,330 posts)
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 03:25 AM Sep 2021

A word or two about my intervention for AZLD4

Last edited Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:05 AM - Edit history (1)

First of all, thanks to all for the kind words. Many of them were undeserved, I fear. I'm no hero. I saw a situation that struck home (married to a woman from another country who has been harassed in the past by US immigration), and couldn't stay silent.

I've known Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords for over ten years, and figured a phone call couldn't make matters any worse. Senators are bombarded with legitimate requests, such as that of AZLD4, but also by requests to make tickets for running a stop sign go away. They have staff who fields inquiries from the public, and they are the ones who filter what goes up the chain, and what doesn't. Often they make the wrong choice. There are professional whiners out there who are skilled in making their traffic violations seem like unjustly handed out death sentences, and congressional staffers sometimes lose their patience, their cool, and their capacity for weeding out the serious pleas for help from the professional whiners.

I've known plenty of U.S. Senators. Some are complete phonies, some are assholes, and some are genuinely good people. Mark Kelly happens to be among the latter. I knew he could never have been made aware of AZLZ4's case by his staff, because he never would have ignored it. Proof: once he was made aware of it (that's where I came in), he didn't ignore it. He moved it to the front burner, and one of his best people (I happen to know him slightly as well) is on it and giving us both updates--even gave AZLD4 his cell phone! Mark called me Friday and we spent 20 minutes on the phone discussing the case, which he has thoroughly researched. Obviously, a Senator can't do this for every constituent with a problem, even one this severe. This is as much a favor to me as it is to a constituent in need, and I'm very appreciative of it. As a Texan living in Germany, it's not like there are a lot of favors I could return to him in Arizona. It's just the right thing to do, and Mark is the kind of man who WANTS to do the right thing.

The sobering truth is that all I did is get a ball rolling, and there are no guarantees there will be a happy ending. There are some hoops to jump through, some obstacles to overcome, and a few things will just have to fall into place that might not. As a veteran of bureaucratic wars, I have already warned AZLD4 that when dealing with bureaucrats, the ones most deserving of your anger and scorn are often the ones who can do you the most harm if you show it. "Telling it like it is" isn't always the best way to get somewhere when there is a jerk with a "REJECTED" stamp standing in your way in the middle of the road.

So, this story is far from over. Things are now moving in a positive direction--that is the major change to where things stood five days ago. I almost never use personal connections like this. At this level, they are SO easy to abuse, and all members of Congress (not to mention the White House) have finely tuned antennae set to detect this. This was an exception because this IS an exceptional case, and luckily, Mark saw it my way.

Maybe it will work out. We have to be prepared for the eventuality that, despite all efforts, maybe it won't. Murphy's law hasn't been repealed yet, don't forget. It was certainly no big sacrifice on my part to make some phone calls to people I knew would take them, and send some emails to people I knew would read them. The one thing we all now have that we didn't have before is hope. Before, AZLD4 had no reason to hope for an improvement in his dilemma. Now, he does. Some powerful people in a position to set things in motion are now doing just that.

Until something really happens, though, all I can take credit for at this point is some hope. It's not much, and AZLD4's wife is not one millimeter closer to Arizona than she was a week ago. The difference is that now there is reason to hope that she soon will be. If that lifts some weight from a few shoulders, that is the best I can take credit for until someone is on a plane for Phoenix. It will have to do. It's a start, anyway.

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A word or two about my intervention for AZLD4 (Original Post) DFW Sep 2021 OP
Thanks so much for explaining the role you had, and all the others who are helping too. CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2021 #1
Fingers crossed in every which direction! DFW Sep 2021 #7
That's a great photo of you and your sister! Love it. Thanks for sharing. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Sep 2021 #8
For some reason, only the link showed up, and not the photo DFW Sep 2021 #9
I think you're a special person, DFW. BComplex Sep 2021 #2
DFW, you are among the ones here that I wish I knew in person, & that was before this episode! Hekate Sep 2021 #3
excellent work Skittles Sep 2021 #4
That's for sure DFW Sep 2021 #5
I need a flavor. sprinkleeninow Sep 2021 #6
I know just the flavor DFW Sep 2021 #11
PA people (that I know of for one) would say those sound 'scrummy'! Scrumptious, that is. sprinkleeninow Sep 2021 #13
Well done Betty88 Sep 2021 #10
Thank you and Mark Kelly brer cat Sep 2021 #12
I can't say that I disagree with that DFW Sep 2021 #14
I know of two servicemen that Barry Goldwater intervened for. Ptah Sep 2021 #17
McCain went to bat for my wife in the pursuit of her VA benefits. snort Sep 2021 #41
👍 Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #15
Well done, indeed! sarchasm Sep 2021 #16
Thank you for your generous impulse to help a stranger in need. alwaysinasnit Sep 2021 #18
With a partner from Shanghai, a daughter-in-law from Sofia, and a son who needed to work in Glasgow NBachers Sep 2021 #19
So you're familiar with the runaround as well DFW Sep 2021 #27
🤞🏽 blm Sep 2021 #20
Where there was no hope last week.... SergeStorms Sep 2021 #21
I'll second that! BigmanPigman Sep 2021 #71
I'm pleased that you reached out to help and likewise that you confirmed my impressions of hlthe2b Sep 2021 #22
Mark and Gabby are exactly as you think they are. DFW Sep 2021 #23
Nice... THANKS! hlthe2b Sep 2021 #24
Gabby helped me. ChazInAz Sep 2021 #54
Ron Barber is now working in Mark Kelly's office in DC, and he is one of the ones working on this DFW Sep 2021 #74
You're a good person malaise Sep 2021 #25
You understood the severity of the injustice being done, you knew the right person who... Tom Rinaldo Sep 2021 #26
Thanks, Tom! We're not there yet, but I know all too well the injustice at border airports DFW Sep 2021 #28
Us old fogies call it Good Upbringing. tavernier Sep 2021 #29
Thank you for what you did. Hope is a precious commodity. alphafemale Sep 2021 #30
Very much so! DFW Sep 2021 #31
What do we have if we don't have hope? Yorkie Mom Sep 2021 #32
Vielen Dank, mein Herr. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #33
Puede ser que un caballero andante es lo que soy en realidad DFW Sep 2021 #44
Way to go pal. Gabby was my Rep. I've got my fingers crossed for AZLD4. panader0 Sep 2021 #34
DFW, before this story, i knew you ONLY by your username here. NOW (also seeing your picture) bluestarone Sep 2021 #35
I appreciate that, but keep it in proportion. DFW Sep 2021 #36
Even tho most of us know it, it's good to be reminded once in a while that there ARE good people Fla Dem Sep 2021 #37
Appreciate the explanation and reaching out. grantcart Sep 2021 #38
Take a bow DFW LittleGirl Sep 2021 #39
I know there are others who have been there. DFW Sep 2021 #48
Snicker. Well done. Nt LittleGirl Sep 2021 #56
Some times the hard part IS "just getting the ball rolling" Maeve Sep 2021 #40
I will make sure to vote for Kelly in 2022 AZProgressive Sep 2021 #42
He is certainly doing that. DFW Sep 2021 #46
You are being modest LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #43
Humanity in action. Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #45
I don't even know at this early stage if it is a long shot or not DFW Sep 2021 #47
Thank you! Mr. Evil Sep 2021 #49
Ding, ding, ding :-) nt LittleGirl Sep 2021 #57
You were generous and kind and you gave hope back. Solly Mack Sep 2021 #50
This is great. Thank you for helping, and thanks for your post. Nt spooky3 Sep 2021 #51
Don't sell yourself short MustLoveBeagles Sep 2021 #52
Thanks also for the peek into navigating bureacracy yonder Sep 2021 #53
Thank you, all the same, for helping them maneuver uppityperson Sep 2021 #55
Thank you Wild blueberry Sep 2021 #58
I am running for AZ House, but Mark Kelly has a volunteer permenantly because of his office AZLD4Candidate Sep 2021 #59
Hoping along with you for the best outcome! catrose Sep 2021 #60
DFW, you are one of the "good guys"!! 7wo7rees Sep 2021 #61
You are one of the VERY few on DU who have met her DFW Sep 2021 #70
DFW and Mark Kelly are two of our very best ... Thank you! FakeNoose Sep 2021 #62
However modest you see your efforts to be, my dear DFW, te fact is, you made those niyad Sep 2021 #63
I think that the nice thing about Kelly is that he is new, with new staff members question everything Sep 2021 #64
You're one Hell of a good person DFW! Not only do you make DU special ... 11 Bravo Sep 2021 #65
Thank you, DFW! calimary Sep 2021 #66
Sometimes all it takes is for one individual to speak up, crickets Sep 2021 #67
Hoping for the best for our DU friend mountain grammy Sep 2021 #68
You did good. Lasher Sep 2021 #69
Love you, but a topic sentence or three, explaining what on earth you are even Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2021 #72
Sorry about that! DFW Sep 2021 #73

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,560 posts)
1. Thanks so much for explaining the role you had, and all the others who are helping too.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 03:33 AM
Sep 2021

You do deserve every plaudit and praise that showed up tonight! People as good as you don't come along every day, and they are always a treasure.

I posted a photo of you and Lionel Mandrake and the lady from Nikon, and I trust that that was OK.

I am very hopeful that this story will end well, with AZLD4's wife reunited with him.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
7. Fingers crossed in every which direction!
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:18 AM
Sep 2021

And, yes, the photo was fine. The last photo of me that was even halfway flattering was in 1995. I was pretending to be a cocktail pianist seated at Harry Truman's old piano in Washington, with my sister lounging on top of it in some electric blue evening gown pretending to be a diva singer.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
9. For some reason, only the link showed up, and not the photo
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:24 AM
Sep 2021

Last edited Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:21 AM - Edit history (2)

So, I deleted the link. Glad you got to see it in the minute it was up there! LOL!!

BComplex

(8,029 posts)
2. I think you're a special person, DFW.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 03:38 AM
Sep 2021

I've thought so for many years. You just keep proving me....and everyone here...that we're right about you!

Hekate

(90,619 posts)
3. DFW, you are among the ones here that I wish I knew in person, & that was before this episode!
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 03:52 AM
Sep 2021

Thank you for reaching out to a person in pain.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
5. That's for sure
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:09 AM
Sep 2021

There's nothing worse than having a serious problem that no one cares about. No one should feel THAT alone.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
11. I know just the flavor
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:26 AM
Sep 2021

There is a local stand at our farmers market that sets up once a week (Saturdays, so yesterday). They sell homemade flavors of marmalade that aren't made by the big commercial companies. My all-time favorite is apricot-passion fruit, and they had three small jars of it yesterday. I bought all three!

sprinkleeninow

(20,235 posts)
13. PA people (that I know of for one) would say those sound 'scrummy'! Scrumptious, that is.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:35 AM
Sep 2021

Now I used the phrase.😄

I have always had a thing for apricots even when a wee kiddo. My mom got a kick out of me.

The Slovaks love them some apricot filled Kiflicky!

Enjoy your find! Yamas!

brer cat

(24,544 posts)
12. Thank you and Mark Kelly
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:33 AM
Sep 2021

for being on the right side and caring enough to make those phone calls. That's what makes us Democrats!

DFW

(54,330 posts)
14. I can't say that I disagree with that
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:39 AM
Sep 2021

I can't think of one Republican Senator currently serving that would have gotten involved in this issue. Ironically, if McCain were still in office, I think he might have. I never met him. But his kind of Republican is an extinct species now, anyway.

snort

(2,334 posts)
41. McCain went to bat for my wife in the pursuit of her VA benefits.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:28 PM
Sep 2021

He was not a total asshole.

sarchasm

(1,012 posts)
16. Well done, indeed!
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 05:00 AM
Sep 2021

DU is an amazing and unpredictable place sometimes. I hope, and am putting out vibes, that everything goes well with this. Fingers crossed. Thanks for sharing everyone!

NBachers

(17,097 posts)
19. With a partner from Shanghai, a daughter-in-law from Sofia, and a son who needed to work in Glasgow
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 05:38 AM
Sep 2021

while she went to school there, I'm familiar with the push-and-pull of the bureaucratic world, in multiple countries. In addition, my daughter-in-law, now an American citizen, is getting yanked to London to work for her multinational company. Great opportunities, but they now have to start all over again. Then, there'll be the income tax circus.

I contributed to several of Gabby's campaigns, and I'm a frequent contributor to Mark's. You've inspired me to contribute again. He's got the Right Stuff.

https://secure.actblue.com/donate/service_usa1

DFW

(54,330 posts)
27. So you're familiar with the runaround as well
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 08:32 AM
Sep 2021

The income tax circus is more like a circus maximus. Because of gaps in the double taxation treaty between Germany and the USA, the two countries are trying to take around 70% of my income. The USA and Eritrea are the only two counties left on earth that do NOT recognize residence-based taxation.

There are several Senators, both present and former, that do, indeed, have the right stuff (Al Franken was another). I hope that at some point, Iowa's Rob Sand joins their ranks. This is not only because I enjoy having friends in the Senate, but because I like knowing first hand that there ARE good people in the Senate.

SergeStorms

(19,192 posts)
21. Where there was no hope last week....
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 05:40 AM
Sep 2021

there is now at least a glimmer of hope this week.

AZLD4 was as disheartened as a human being can be, and he poured his heart out last week to share that pain, and hopefully lessen that burden.

Out of all our DU members there was but one who could actually do something to help, and that was you, DFW. You didn't have to help, but you did, and for that you deserve a round of applause.

Helping each other: that's what separates Democrats from Republicans.

hlthe2b

(102,193 posts)
22. I'm pleased that you reached out to help and likewise that you confirmed my impressions of
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 05:48 AM
Sep 2021

Mark Kelly. Though honestly, I'd have been shocked if Kelly and Gabby Giffords were not actually among the most sincere and dedicated public servants, generally wonderful people, and even more impressive couple. I could not imagine my instincts being THAT far off.

Best of luck to all involved. With so much to be angry about or sad about lately, it is just reassuring to see some trying to make a positive difference.

ChazInAz

(2,563 posts)
54. Gabby helped me.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 02:23 PM
Sep 2021

When Social Security Admin was screwing me over, and our local offices weren't helping me, both Gabby and Ron Barber helped straighten things out. I happened to know her from having an office in the same building at Pima and Swan in Tucson, where I'd pop in to visit when she was around.
Man, I love that lady!

DFW

(54,330 posts)
74. Ron Barber is now working in Mark Kelly's office in DC, and he is one of the ones working on this
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 06:44 AM
Sep 2021

He will be retiring soon, but for now, he is the contact man.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
26. You understood the severity of the injustice being done, you knew the right person who...
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 08:28 AM
Sep 2021

you were confident would see it the way that you did, who was in a position to make a difference, and who you knew would want to make a difference once this injustice was called to his attention. You never burden the political figures you know with personal requests for favors, and they know this about you and respect you for that. Therefore they are open to hearing from you about an issue like this. You earned that trust DFW, that's why you were able to possibly make a difference here. It is because of who you are, and that your care is genuine.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
28. Thanks, Tom! We're not there yet, but I know all too well the injustice at border airports
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 08:39 AM
Sep 2021

And it can indeed be severe and arbitrarily handed out. Righting that kind of wrong is its own reward.

tavernier

(12,374 posts)
29. Us old fogies call it Good Upbringing.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 08:42 AM
Sep 2021

Someone gave you (and Mark and Gabby) a strong and solid base of rocks as a foundation for your moral home.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
44. Puede ser que un caballero andante es lo que soy en realidad
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:00 PM
Sep 2021

I certainly travel enough, and have tilted at enough windmills in my time. With some luck, this won't be one of them.

bluestarone

(16,894 posts)
35. DFW, before this story, i knew you ONLY by your username here. NOW (also seeing your picture)
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:15 AM
Sep 2021

I feel like your my BROTHER. I'm so proud to be a member of a group of people that YOU are involved with! THIS is what America is all about! Just want to THANK YOU for what you did. I know this is not over by any means BUT you gave LIFE to this family. (AZLD4 and wife!) God bless you!

DFW

(54,330 posts)
36. I appreciate that, but keep it in proportion.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:57 AM
Sep 2021

I just contacted someone I knew, and hoped. At the end of the day, it pretty much all comes down to that. I think any one of us who COULD have, WOULD have. I didn't stick my neck out, and I'm not the one going nuts because an uncaring, plodding system can't see its way to letting my wife join me. I sympathize because my wife has been treated unfairly on several occasions when entering the USA. She visits regularly (we have a daughter now living in New York), but she doesn't want to live there. She is well worth the trouble I went to in order to live here, but some persistence was needed there, too. I had to fight off uncaring, incompetent bureaucrats, too, and waving a photo of me next to Bill Clinton in a German newspaper in front of them didn't hurt, either, even if it was 16 years old. Few people seeking to get a German residence and work permit can produce that, I promise you, and bureaucrats are always intimidated by higher authority, even if it's only perceived. It's a sad fact, but the people ignoring AZLD4's efforts WILL sit up, take notice, and do something when it is a U.S. Senator on the line asking how far along they are in that matter he asked about.

Back in the seventies and eighties, I got unfairly harassed in East Berlin, too, where I was sometimes detained and stuck in a windowless interrogation room where I was the only one without an East German uniform, a gun, or the right to stand up without permission. It's just something they did to random people crossing into, or out of, East Germany. Their own people got a bullet in the back if they didn't have the proper documentation. We were just a distraction to pass the time.

When AZLD4 posts a photo of him and his wife together in Tucson, THEN we can start the celebratory fireworks, and believe me, I'll be celebrating along with everyone else. THEN I'll feel like I helped accomplish something!

Fla Dem

(23,632 posts)
37. Even tho most of us know it, it's good to be reminded once in a while that there ARE good people
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:35 AM
Sep 2021

left in the world and you DFW are proof of that. Mark Kelly and his staff are right up there with you. Good people will prevail.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
38. Appreciate the explanation and reaching out.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:09 PM
Sep 2021

There are always more complications to these stories than are immediately discernable.

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
39. Take a bow DFW
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:16 PM
Sep 2021

Even if for having an empathetic heart. My spouse is a naturalized citizen and the red tape is crazy. I was very distressed when he posted he had given up. I know that feeling well. Thanks for restoring my faith even if it’s only hope!

DFW

(54,330 posts)
48. I know there are others who have been there.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:10 PM
Sep 2021

That is what gave me hope that a solution could be found with the right help.

Nothing a little "Washington Vitamin C" can't help with.

Maeve

(42,279 posts)
40. Some times the hard part IS "just getting the ball rolling"
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:22 PM
Sep 2021

Like the push that gets the stalled car back on the road.

You could have ignored Someone Else's Problem; you didn't. That is praiseworthy.

AZProgressive

(29,322 posts)
42. I will make sure to vote for Kelly in 2022
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:49 PM
Sep 2021

He seems like a good Senator and if he is helping out an Arizonan DUer he is worth re-electing.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
46. He is certainly doing that.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:04 PM
Sep 2021

And I would say he's definitely worth re-electing. But I might be a little biased..........

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,055 posts)
43. You are being modest
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:59 PM
Sep 2021

Thank you for your efforts. Just getting the ball rolling is a major accomplishment and I thank you for these efforts

Mr. Evil

(2,835 posts)
45. Humanity in action.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:03 PM
Sep 2021

This is but one example that gives me hope for us all. DFW most likely knew this was a long shot but, made the effort nonetheless. And now a 99.99% negative outcome has a new, elevated level of hope. Sometimes I get frustrated that I can't do more to help those that need it but, it comforts me that there are those that are in a position to possibly help others, and they do. When human beings help right various wrongs and that attitude continuously grows and permeates throughout our society, we cannot fail.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
47. I don't even know at this early stage if it is a long shot or not
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:08 PM
Sep 2021

The one thing I will not do is be in the position of wondering if I COULD have done something but didn't.

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
50. You were generous and kind and you gave hope back.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:32 PM
Sep 2021

That's all a hero needs to do in someone's life.

MustLoveBeagles

(11,587 posts)
52. Don't sell yourself short
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 02:02 PM
Sep 2021

You're a good person DFW. Thanks to you AZLD4 and his wife have a chance now which is more than they had a week ago. I'm relieved that Sen. Kelly will try to help them after all and it was just a matter of him not being informed about the call. It didn't seem right that he wouldn't want to help but I no reason to doubt what AZLD4 said.

yonder

(9,662 posts)
53. Thanks also for the peek into navigating bureacracy
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 02:20 PM
Sep 2021

to help someone in need. Your multilingual skills shine through in that well-written and clear account of what can be expected to open doors, get the ball rolling and help people in need.

With your help and some good luck, AZL4's situation will turn around and two people will finally be reunited.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,658 posts)
59. I am running for AZ House, but Mark Kelly has a volunteer permenantly because of his office
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 03:27 PM
Sep 2021

The two I spoke two on the phone Friday were amazing.

Thank you, DFW, again. And as I said, I am cautiously optimistic due to DFW's help.

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
61. DFW, you are one of the "good guys"!!
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 03:51 PM
Sep 2021

DU is richer for you being here.....
Very proud to know you and your beautiful wife.

DFW

(54,330 posts)
70. You are one of the VERY few on DU who have met her
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 08:17 PM
Sep 2021

So you know more than most why I felt this issue closer to home than most others.

niyad

(113,213 posts)
63. However modest you see your efforts to be, my dear DFW, te fact is, you made those
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:43 PM
Sep 2021

efforts. We can all take a slight breath, and have a bit of renewed hope, for both of them. When we see the picture of the two of them together, there will be a huge sighif relief. And gratitude that one of the best of our DU family reached out for another family member.

All extremities crossed for a happy new beginning.

question everything

(47,460 posts)
64. I think that the nice thing about Kelly is that he is new, with new staff members
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:50 PM
Sep 2021

who have not been there for ages and “have see it all.”. Thus, offer a fresh look.

Thank you for injecting your fresh look.


11 Bravo

(23,926 posts)
65. You're one Hell of a good person DFW! Not only do you make DU special ...
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:59 PM
Sep 2021

but I'm confident you enrich the lives of everyone fortunate enough to make your acquaintance.

crickets

(25,959 posts)
67. Sometimes all it takes is for one individual to speak up,
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 07:20 PM
Sep 2021

saying something to the right person who can remedy the situation. You spoke up. There's no guarantee for a happy ending, but you improved the chances and that's what matters. Good on you, DFW, and fingers crossed for AZLD4 and his wife for a good outcome.

mountain grammy

(26,608 posts)
68. Hoping for the best for our DU friend
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 07:48 PM
Sep 2021

and glad you were there to help and that there are still genuinely good senators.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
72. Love you, but a topic sentence or three, explaining what on earth you are even
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:34 PM
Sep 2021

talking about,or referring to, sure would help. Did I mention that I loved you

DFW

(54,330 posts)
73. Sorry about that!
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:11 AM
Sep 2021

It was in response to an immense response on another recent thread on the subject. Since the subject in part had to do with me, I didn't think to use sufficient distance to make it easier for anyone who wasn't following it.

My apologies!

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