BLM plans Carmines protest after three African American woman are profiled by Asian Hostess.

[cinematicdiversions]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/nyregion/carmines-vaccination-fight.html

Justin Moore, a lawyer who represents one of the women, Kaeita Nkeenge Rankin, said that the hostess used a racial slur and spoke condescendingly to the patrons, suggesting that their vaccination cards were fake. He also said the Texas women claim that the hostess assaulted them.


“The hostess begins spouting out derogatory comments, and speaking with two of the women; they claim that the N-word is being spewed out” Mr. Moore said in an interview. “They also heard the hostess say, ‘Yeah, you guys can leave my restaurant,’ or something very aggressive like that. When Dr. Rankin hears that, she turns around and addresses the hostess. She tells her: ‘This isn’t your restaurant. You’re just a staff member here. Please address us with respect.’”


Amid the dueling accounts, a Black Lives Matter activist said his group planned to demonstrate outside Carmine’s on Monday to protest the treatment of Black patrons. “Restaurants are using vaccine mandates to enforce their racist beliefs and excluding Black patrons,” said Hawk Newsome, the co-founder and chairman of Black Lives Matter Greater New York.

[Devil Child]

1. Time to investigate the 3 assailants for hate crime charges

If the defense is bringing it up to slur the victim might as well rule out the hate-angle for the perps.

[cinematicdiversions]

3. I don't think it is racism I think it is entitlement.

The "you are not the owner you just work here" comment is very telling. It is a weird mentality that puts a ridiculous amount of importance on perceived respect. To the point that one would engage in fisticuffs.

This is of course a serious character defect and a sign of either a very poor upbringing or a low level of emotional intelligence. We should have sympathy for the woman as they do not have the tools or background to converse in a normal adult way. Whether they should be restricted outside of normal interaction with the rest of us is something for the courts to decide.

There is no simple solution regarding adults that do not have the tools to interact in normal adult society.

[JustAnotherGen]

10. Please get your supervisor

If someone said that to me AND the N Word had been used.

Its not "telling" of upbringing or entitlement.

When asked to show ID to use my credit card after two non black customers at Bloomingdales were not - and I lingered to observe another white customer AFTER me not get ID'd . . .

I then approached the sales associate and asked "What was the purpose of obtaining information which would allow a hacker to steal my identity? Where is it maintained?"

She said "racially ambiguous" that it was her right to question if I had authorization to use the card.

My response - please get your supervisor.

Her response - this is our policy so that won't help.

My response - I am executive leadership at Wireless/National Retailer and you are standing behind that counter - Please call your manager now. I've just xyz dollars using an Amex and I have the right to know your data security policies.

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Blatant disrespect deserves measured calm retaliation.

Understand - we are not our grandparents. We don't have to take the blatant disrespect.

Now - I would prefer to wait and see regarding Carmines. I have a feeling there is quite a bit more to the story. If the n-word was dropped -that's an element.

Regardless - violence is not an answer.

The new green book exists for a reason. No public boycott - just know your establishments and stop giving them your money.

[cinematicdiversions]

17. Yes but did you jump over the counter and beat the sales associate with the arm of a mannequin?

We have all had squirrely and/or horrible service form a retail establishment. Either due to incompetence, poor policy, or more nefarious reasons. It is how we react that is important.

You may have been racially profiled, and it is well within your rights to express displeasure at such to the management of the store. That is not what happened here, however.

[blm]

11. That is a huge assumption you made that

sounds steeped in stereotype.

It could be both parties communicated poorly and tempers were running short, but, to take it to where you just did sounds like a Dennis Prager analysis.

[cinematicdiversions]

18. They are the ones with the Karen quote in the New York Times.

‘This isn’t your restaurant. You’re just a staff member here. Please address us with respect.’”

Am I basing a lot off that quote and thier action. Yes. Do I think I am right. Yes. Would I say the same thing about three fat Italian women from New Jersey. Good Lord yes.

This is about entitlement and an inability to act like an adult. The fact that BLM is planning a protest for these idiots is embarrassing for all involved.

[Hugh_Lebowski]

22. The fact that it appears to be in response to this specific statement

‘Yeah, you guys can leave my restaurant,’

is, IMHO, fairly well mitigating.

The observation that it's not the hostess' personal restaurant is a statement of fact and a logical retort.

Had it NOT been prompted by that, I'd agree that it was a rude thing to say, but still not nearly as indicative of bad character as you're intimating above.

[mcar]

24. If a hostess was being rude to me as is being reported

in this version, I certainly would call her on it. She isn't the owner; she just worked there.

If, in fact, the hostess did treat the potential customers - 3 women who showed their vaccine cards BTW - with disrespect and even racism, how can you say it's "entitlement" on the part of the customers?

[Devil Child]

26. Entitled enough to respond to alleged rudeness and words with physical violence

That reeks of an entitlement mindset.

Keep your hands to yourself, pretty simple for most healthy functioning adults.

[mcar]

27. You said their asking for respect showed entitlement

That's what I responded to - not the violence.

You seem to be very sure of your opinion regarding this incident, which seems to have a couple sides to the story.

[Devil Child]

28. I'm very sure of my opinion regarding escalation to violence over words isn't justifiable

Could be a hundred sides to this story for all I care.

If you show me some evidence the server initiated physical violence towards the 3 arrested then I'd start to give a shit about them feeling "disrespected."

[yardwork]

2. IMO, it might be wise to hold off protesting until more facts are known.

The video looks and sounds like a brawl, and the hostess was injured. There were plenty of witnesses around. Let's wait and see.

[maxsolomon]

30. LOL, you know this is America, right?

We've got to react in a binary way. Fuck nuance and mitigating facts!

[JustAnotherGen]

4. If the N word was used

I understand the rage.

If it wasn't used - shit is going to get real.

[cinematicdiversions]

6. First of all I doubt a hostess at a racially diverse Upper West Side eatery dropped an N word.

Second of all the ladies simply refuse to take personal responsibility for their actions. Now I understand they may not be able to accept or take personal responsibility, as I noted above. If that is the case we as a society need to look into what we can do to protect the general population from those that would resort to violence over a policy disagreement or a delusional feeling that they are entitled to respect.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

7. Before we're sure the N word...

...wasn't used, I think we should talk to bystanders. Certainly, racial diverse agencies are more than capable of racist policies and practices.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

9. ...also...

...I would love to hear more about the source of your doubt that the N word was used.

[Devil Child]

15. Before we're sure anti-asian slurs....

...weren't used against the Asian hostess by the 3 bipoc perps, I think we should talk to bystanders. Certainly, racial diverse agencies are more than capable of racist policies and practices.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

31. Yea...

...because the history of racism and discrimination against African Americans and Asians is exactly the same in the United States.

[JustAnotherGen]

16. My thought exactly

Like - I'm in Manhattan a great deal. There is a high likelihood that you can come across a bigot in that neighborhood.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/upper-west-side-manhattan-new-york-black-homeless-lucerne-b1058685.html

[LanternWaste]

12. So many 'ifs' in only three sentences....

Goodness gracious returns.

[JustAnotherGen]

13. You do? You doubt that?

Based on what?

See my response above.

If it WAS used - you go to the New Green Book and lodge the notification there. You leave. You don't spend your money there and you tip off other black people to never spend their money there.

No violence, no words, no tip off about what you are going to do.

There is no guarantee that a specify area or establishment will behave in a certain way. Especially because they WERE tourists - they should have stepped away and spent their money elsewhere.

If someone called me a n -word - smile and go to the green book. Problem solved.

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

32. Please...

...even if the N Word was used, this board, like all agencies/entities in America, will find a reason to make the Americans who endured the triggering and verbal assault somewhat guilty of their own disrespect.

BLM is marching because of ongoing issues in that district. At this point, though, BLM can pretty much pick and choose where they want to march.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. Yep - and I'm sick of it

There are way too many in America looking for any reason to give a bigot a break.

[boston bean]

5. We're they vaxed or not? I need this information to form

an opinion.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. The women were and had their cards

The men said they left theirs at their hotel.

The women had already been seated.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/ny-texas-tourists-claim-racial-discrimination-20210918-bzdu2vlx6nf3hpjvrk7u7mqtoy-story.html

[edhopper]

19. According to their attorney

but let's wait and see if this is confirmed.

[mcar]

25. And the restaurant, per the article

[edhopper]

29. I see

[JustAnotherGen]

33. PD

Says footage shows they were being seated - showed ID

[edhopper]

35. I've heard that

[Renew Deal]

8. Has BLM taken a position on vaccination?

Or assaulting restaurant staff? Because the restaurant workers that I saw get involved with the violent anti-Vaxxers were also non-white.

[edhopper]

20. I am going to wait and see

some of their story doesn't align with what we have heard already.

And I find it hard to believe a hostess at a place like Carmine's would use the N word.

[Sympthsical]

21. This is about to be a bad look for everyone

I'd want to hear from some uninvolved witnesses before going with an opinion on this one.

This could eeeeeasily devolve into Stop Asian Hate vs BLM, and I don't see winner there.

Let's get a full story from some objective sources. There are some details here that don't quite align for me.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

23. Wait what?

Protest for these people who attacked a hostess? Lol. Come on.