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KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:45 AM Sep 2021

2008 I laughed when a friend said "you know he's not American".

In my defense, I thought she was being sarcastic. Plus, the laugh was involuntary. Even if I'd known she was serious, I'd have still laughed. To this day I still find it unbelievable that anyone would actually believe such an idiotic thing. It is one thing to be a racist and be offended by a black man running for President ... but that birther crap was and is just beyond anything believable. No one with even the barest education should have given it even a sniff. To this day I just shake my head in disbelief that my former friend actually believed it.

Fast forward to 2021. This woman is in her mid 80s and genuinely believes the shot has mind control agents in it. I don't interact with her at all any more, but it has gotten back to me that at different times she's said it can turn people gay - it can make men sterile - it turns us all into commies - and I'm not sure but she probably thinks it causes ingrown toenails.

The point of this thread is a reminder these numbskulls didn't just appear overnight. They've been hanging around causing us all minor inconveniences for a long time. They are the same bunch that are oh so holy for going to church but feel it their God given duty to stiff the waitress at Cracker Barrel for working on Sunday.

They aren't going away. They are one of us. Americans. They are what we used to call in Kentucky, the crazy uncle on the porch. If we don't figure out how to stop letting them dictate their crazy to everyone, we are sunk.

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2008 I laughed when a friend said "you know he's not American". (Original Post) KentuckyWoman Sep 2021 OP
Yes, such types have always been with us PatSeg Sep 2021 #1
I always knew people like that but was blindsided by how many there actually were. Girard442 Sep 2021 #2
Social media has made it worse. CrispyQ Sep 2021 #9
I totally agree with you. nancy1942 Sep 2021 #15
I second your agreement. llmart Sep 2021 #32
For sure. Probably one if the worst inventions. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #18
I disliked Twitter from the start. Prof. Toru Tanaka Sep 2021 #23
Sharing photos and videos of animals. niyad Sep 2021 #31
Oh yes. There have been some great ones! CrispyQ Sep 2021 #42
WOW! I missed that one wnylib Sep 2021 #44
Introducing... CrispyQ Sep 2021 #54
Thanks. After my post I did a search wnylib Sep 2021 #58
Yeah, she's pretty awesome! -nt CrispyQ Sep 2021 #59
Believe it or not, social media includes DU IronLionZion Sep 2021 #49
To DUs credit, Latest Breaking at least has some rules before posting as "news." CrispyQ Sep 2021 #53
I don't mess with NextDoor.com IronLionZion Sep 2021 #57
The other party apparently knew and went all in on it to win IronLionZion Sep 2021 #48
Yes all of this has been a long time coming. Irish_Dem Sep 2021 #3
They're not going away. But their bad decision-making is putting them in danger Baitball Blogger Sep 2021 #4
We have to out-vote them while we still can... Wounded Bear Sep 2021 #5
And TFG just let 'em out of the closet to run free. And run amok. calimary Sep 2021 #6
Yes, who was it that pushed birtherism? Grasswire2 Sep 2021 #25
He gave them permission to completely abandon what turned out to be a very thin veneer of civility. deurbano Sep 2021 #33
When you laughed in her face in 2008, what did she do? irisblue Sep 2021 #7
I was in her home. KentuckyWoman Sep 2021 #12
Now, you see the void between me and trumpers.... LakeArenal Sep 2021 #8
If we don't figure out how to stop letting them dictate their crazy to everyone, we are sunk. malaise Sep 2021 #10
That explains my ingrown toenail... RainCaster Sep 2021 #11
My sciatica probably derives from my vaccine. Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #56
Yup Joinfortmill Sep 2021 #13
once-dear friends told me that, too mainer Sep 2021 #14
Having a Father who once said that to me, let me tell you: maxsolomon Sep 2021 #20
Yes, these people have always been among us... Silent3 Sep 2021 #16
"If Kennedy is elected, the Pope will move to Washington" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #17
They said the same about Al Smith. In 1864, McClellan's people tried to convince voters AZLD4Candidate Sep 2021 #21
I heard it as "the pope will run the country". That was a minister in a church. demigoddess Sep 2021 #35
"the pope will run the country" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #37
I noticed a lot of these conspiratorial nutjobs popped out after the Waco raid. Crowman2009 Sep 2021 #19
My std response to people saying born in Kenya, not an American..... KS Toronado Sep 2021 #22
People will go to great lengths, incredible lengths, to support what they already believe. paleotn Sep 2021 #24
I actually think its the opposite, they do not have strong beliefs about much. Jon King Sep 2021 #27
My 58 year old cousin is the same way. Woodwizard Sep 2021 #26
Same here, found out friends of 45 years are long gone into the abyss. Jon King Sep 2021 #28
Those people certainly enjoy outsized influence and over-representation in America. n/t Beartracks Sep 2021 #29
TN VickiSmith Sep 2021 #30
Welcome to DU, VickiSmith! Lars39 Sep 2021 #40
media needs to stop giving them air. barbtries Sep 2021 #34
YES. But ALL media would have to. calimary Sep 2021 #36
there's always been somewhere for them to go. barbtries Sep 2021 #38
Been saying it for years now.... Hulk Sep 2021 #39
My reply: "No, you do not know what I know. You also don't know what I do not know."...... KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2021 #41
Obama's date of birth is another thing to consider FakeNoose Sep 2021 #43
It doen't matter when Hawaii became a state. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #52
John McCain was not born in a State. raging moderate Sep 2021 #55
RightWing media acts like all this crap is credible and newsworthy SouthernDem4ever Sep 2021 #45
They are a perverse, ugly, cynical, adversarial lot who abrades all they contact bucolic_frolic Sep 2021 #46
The belief that non-whites aren't American is racist IronLionZion Sep 2021 #47
The other day, I was in a meeting at work with five other people Fortinbras Armstrong Sep 2021 #60
Most of my career I've been the only one from the US IronLionZion Sep 2021 #61
Cornpone Zone Logic. It'll never change. Period! czarjak Sep 2021 #50
I have a theory about birtherism. ShazzieB Sep 2021 #51

PatSeg

(47,419 posts)
1. Yes, such types have always been with us
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:51 AM
Sep 2021

and you're right, we just referred to them as the "crazy uncle or aunt". They had no real power and many of them didn't even vote. They are no longer just an annoying nuisance that we can just ignore. They have real power and their ridiculous antics are affecting everyone and threatening our democracy.

Girard442

(6,070 posts)
2. I always knew people like that but was blindsided by how many there actually were.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:53 AM
Sep 2021

Also, how impossible it would turn out to be to change their minds.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
9. Social media has made it worse.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:06 AM
Sep 2021

Actually, I think social media has made everything worse. With the exception of sharing photos.

jimfields33

(15,789 posts)
18. For sure. Probably one if the worst inventions.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:53 AM
Sep 2021

At first, I think it was good. But it got out of hand and turned ugly. Twitter is the worst!

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
54. Introducing...
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 09:35 AM
Sep 2021

Didja the skateboarding cat.




Didja's owner is an animal trainer who lives in Australia. He said she really took to preforming tricks.

wnylib

(21,447 posts)
58. Thanks. After my post I did a search
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 10:19 AM
Sep 2021

with the words "skateboarding cat." After all, how many could there be? I found videos of Didja and her Australian human. An awesome duo. By far my favorite cat video now.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
49. Believe it or not, social media includes DU
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 09:18 PM
Sep 2021

Discussion forums are social media. Hell a lot of the news shared here is posted from twitter and facebook.

CrispyQ

(36,461 posts)
53. To DUs credit, Latest Breaking at least has some rules before posting as "news."
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 09:33 AM
Sep 2021

I'm surprised how nasty things get on Nextdoor.com. These are your neighbors.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
48. The other party apparently knew and went all in on it to win
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 09:16 PM
Sep 2021

and painted their fringe extremists as the "silent majority" while our party are "liberal elitists" out of touch with the "real America". Maybe we're imaginary Americans since we're not real.

Irish_Dem

(47,018 posts)
3. Yes all of this has been a long time coming.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 10:53 AM
Sep 2021

The inmates running the asylum. Crazy, ignorant, dangerous Americans.

And yes, this is a part of who we are now.

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
5. We have to out-vote them while we still can...
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:00 AM
Sep 2021

we do outnumber them. That's a fact, and if we all stay motivated like we were in 2018 and 2020 we will outvote them.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
6. And TFG just let 'em out of the closet to run free. And run amok.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:01 AM
Sep 2021

Last edited Sun Sep 19, 2021, 03:00 PM - Edit history (1)

The containment ended. He unleashed the whirlwind alright. He made it okay. He made all those shitty ideas and preconceptions and biases and stuff usually stifled because deep-down they knew it was wrong.

And we have that in effect right now, and we’re reminded of it whenever it’s pointed out how many Republicans deep-down know the Orange Jerk did NOT win and is just full of bullshit. But they’re afraid of the hoards and so they go along with the Big Lie.

deurbano

(2,895 posts)
33. He gave them permission to completely abandon what turned out to be a very thin veneer of civility.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:19 PM
Sep 2021

Grievances that were previously discussed in low tones among the like-minded are now shrieked indiscriminately at maximum volume and with maximum contempt. (Yeah... we HEAR you now!)

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
12. I was in her home.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:11 AM
Sep 2021

People have a right to be crazy in their own home.

In the moment, when I realized I kind of apologized and made an attempt to have a real discussion. Obviously for naught. We lost touch fairly quickly after that. I hurt her feelings but really didn't mean to. I'm not the kind to go around making people feel small. That I still regret - couldn't be helped in the moment. I didn't realize she's the crazy aunt up to that point ... hit me by surprise.

LakeArenal

(28,817 posts)
8. Now, you see the void between me and trumpers....
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:05 AM
Sep 2021

At 80, “turning” gay or becoming impotent (at 80?) beats dying a horrible death. 🤷🏼‍♀️

But that’s just me.

malaise

(268,973 posts)
10. If we don't figure out how to stop letting them dictate their crazy to everyone, we are sunk.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:08 AM
Sep 2021

The problem is that M$Greedia continue to allow them to spew their crazy ass nonsense.
In fact there are people working at M$Greedia who promote some of the madness.

It is no accident that one of the first things the fascists went after was public education.

RainCaster

(10,870 posts)
11. That explains my ingrown toenail...
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:09 AM
Sep 2021

I got the vaccine long ago and now I have an ingrown toenail. Thanks Pfizer.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
14. once-dear friends told me that, too
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:15 AM
Sep 2021

"You know he's not American." These are well-educated, accomplished people and they were serious. Plus, they were in OUR house and they could see the photo of us and Obama on our bookshelf, so they knew we were his supporters.

what is wrong with people?

maxsolomon

(33,327 posts)
20. Having a Father who once said that to me, let me tell you:
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:01 PM
Sep 2021

Fox Propaganda has melted their brains. That shit is a powerful narcotic and they don't even know they're taking it.

I pointed out that HIS MOM IS AMERICAN, HE COULD HAVE BEEN BORN ON THE MOON AND STILL BE AN AMERICAN. Ann Dunham was born in fucking WICHITA.

My Dad isn't a crazy Trumper; he's just a regular retired guy living in a social circle entirely composed of elderly German Catholic Republicans.

Silent3

(15,210 posts)
16. Yes, these people have always been among us...
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:24 AM
Sep 2021

...but I was unaware of how many there were. Not the 5-10% I used to think, but 30% of the population or more.

Trump made them comfortable in revealing their hate and bigotry, and the internet has reinforced their craziness by helping them find communities of like-minded idiots. They feel safer indulging in bizarre ideas they might have otherwise kept to themselves, while also being fed new insanity to augment their own.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
17. "If Kennedy is elected, the Pope will move to Washington"
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 11:48 AM
Sep 2021

That was the crazy talk I heard when I was a kid,
back around 1960.

AZLD4Candidate

(5,688 posts)
21. They said the same about Al Smith. In 1864, McClellan's people tried to convince voters
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:02 PM
Sep 2021

Lincoln was a black king of Africa, calling him "King Lincoln of Africanus."

Same BS, different era.

demigoddess

(6,640 posts)
35. I heard it as "the pope will run the country". That was a minister in a church.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:36 PM
Sep 2021

put me off churches and religion altogether. 1960.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
37. "the pope will run the country"
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:42 PM
Sep 2021

Part of the same package.
I heard it as a kid, back in our rural Methodist church, from the pastor in the pulpit.

KS Toronado

(17,220 posts)
22. My std response to people saying born in Kenya, not an American.....
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:13 PM
Sep 2021

"How in the hell did the RNC/GOP not know this prior to his first election? And when it became public knowledge
during his first term, why did no republicOn in congress challenge him on it to kick him out of the White House?"
Sometimes depending on who said it I'd add "Don't grow old...grow up" or "The truth will set you free"

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
24. People will go to great lengths, incredible lengths, to support what they already believe.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:30 PM
Sep 2021

Preconceived notions are strong with humans. Some will go to their graves believing tripe that's been disproved a bazillion times. Humans are weird and irrational creatures.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
27. I actually think its the opposite, they do not have strong beliefs about much.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:45 PM
Sep 2021

So they are easy prey for the leaders who want to control them. These people just want to be 'in on it'. They want to think they have found a secret group of enlightened people and all the rest of society is wrong. Its been the same with cult dynamics since the beginning of humans. The leaders know the triggers and can reel in these people. David Koresh, Billy Graham, Donald Trump, they all are expert at pushing the right buttons of the gullible to their advantage. These leaders can change the beliefs of their followers with ease. They will have strong beliefs about whatever the leader says they should, even if the leader switches things up all the time.

People who have their own strong beliefs are much less susceptible to cults.

Woodwizard

(842 posts)
26. My 58 year old cousin is the same way.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:45 PM
Sep 2021

He is getting worse not sure if he is falling down the Qanon rabbit hole or it is just fox, newsmax and oann. He has always been a right winger but it has become extreme. Wont get the vaccine says thousands have died from it I ask him to give me sources on the info of course he never gives me any.

It is a sad loss we got along great as kids and had many adventures. As adults we collaborated our businesses on a lot of jobs, that had faded off pretty much after 45 was elected.

45 and covid broke this country in many ways.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
28. Same here, found out friends of 45 years are long gone into the abyss.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:50 PM
Sep 2021

Same dynamic I have had. Friends since age 5-6 years old. Went to school with them, played sports, ran businesses with some. ALways knew they were Repubs but never knew them as this unbalanced and crazy.

Indeed the last 5 years have brought out the worst in these people.

VickiSmith

(32 posts)
30. TN
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 12:56 PM
Sep 2021

I am surrounded by these people. They have always been here but were ashamed before the past few years. Now they know they are the majority in this area. I wanted a Biden bumper sticker but knew what would happen tp my car. Scary times.

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
34. media needs to stop giving them air.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:30 PM
Sep 2021

suffocate them, put them back under the rock they slithered out of back in 2008. they are FRINGE and crazy, willfully ignorant, largely stupid as fuck, and should not be getting air time. or articles in reputable publications, etc.

without that happening they'll just keep on catapulting the propaganda all they want. which is what has happened here imo. i love some of these people and am alternately horrified and terrified at the shit they spew.

sorry about your friend. now that Delta is out and about, she may not be around much longer.

calimary

(81,238 posts)
36. YES. But ALL media would have to.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:39 PM
Sep 2021

Including the weasels in the cracks and crevasses where they can be found and used to reinforce shit-beliefs - online and other “alternative media.”

These jerks will seek out Something-Anything that will reinforce their own disgraceful, distorted, and totally biased world view. We used to discourage belief in lies. Now we splash them all over the airwaves - and beyond.

barbtries

(28,789 posts)
38. there's always been somewhere for them to go.
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:48 PM
Sep 2021

john birch society, KKK, hate radio (which has just exploded I guess because of the loss of the fairness doctrine), etc. newsletters and such. but you'd have to look for them. you'd have to really want to be part of that outcast fringe.

they can't be eliminated, but i think they can be banished from polite society. and should be.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
39. Been saying it for years now....
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 01:55 PM
Sep 2021

Our country is FILLED with bumpkin idiots, racists, Q'types (before there was a Qanon)...and the vast majority have been "in the closet".
Every once in awhile we would get a little taste at family gatherings where "Uncle Al and Aunt Mary" had a few too many, and let the crazy out of the bottle. We all laughed and thought it was "cute", but totally wacko.

Now that these idiots, and others, actually voted for this coward, con-artist, liar, vulgar, deplorable ass hole in EVERY imaginable respect; ALL THE CLOSET DOORS HAVE BEEN FLUNG OPEN, and these idiots see they are not alone. There are millions of them...and the most heinous idol of them all has validated their racist, hateful, ignorant and vulgar stupidity...and they are emboldened to speak their sick, twisted minds on the rational and decent population that are shocked and appalled by what we see and hear.
It is going to take a total repudiation of this trumpist disease, and generations to heal, to put these sick bastards back in the closets from whence they came.

We truly ARE, and HAVE ALWAYS BEEN, a nation of fucking morons. It's just that now they are exposed and brazenly proud and loud with their mental and social illness.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
41. My reply: "No, you do not know what I know. You also don't know what I do not know."......
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 02:23 PM
Sep 2021

(unless you're privileged to have a magic USB or WiFi connection into my brain).

On a personal level, the ultimate in right-wing arrogance was when I overheard a 30-something daughter-in-law tell her 65 or so old mother-in-law (a close friend of mine and life-long good and faithful Democrat) that she "just does not know", relating to some political issue. I've never forcefully struck a woman in my life, but came damn close that day.

Another event was striking: I was on a field service job in a large plant in Indiana, working with a couple of very skilled electricians during the 2008 Presidential campaign. They knew nothing of my politics but simply asked me what I though about Barack Obama. I told them I felt he was one of the most qualified men to ever run for President, considering his experience and education. Apparently, they we so accustomed to hearing the same right-wing slander lines, their jaws almost hit the floor after my simple but truthful statement.

Sad, demeaning world the right-wing has created for many parts of the world.

Thanks for the post, KYWoman. Each time I see your DU handle, I think of the late 60s hit "Kentucky Woman" written by Neil Diamond. My favorite recording of it was by Waylon Jennings (produced by Chet Atkins in '68).


KY.........

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
43. Obama's date of birth is another thing to consider
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 04:19 PM
Sep 2021

Chump almost got away with his BS about Obama because many Americans aren't sure when Hawaii became a state. Hawaii was admitted to the union as our 50th state on August 21, 1959.

If Obama had been born before, it would have meant that Hawaii was a territory, not a state.

Well he wasn't - Obama's birthdate is August 4, 1961. Hawaii was already a state for almost 2 years. The birth records were all kept according to the same procedure as every other state, however it's also a matter of privacy. That's why Chump was able to get away with his BS, he probably assumed that the birth certificate wouldn't be published, so he could tell whatever lies he wanted and it wouldn't matter.

It's just one more reason for being absolutely disgusted with this Orange Monster.

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
52. It doen't matter when Hawaii became a state.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 01:01 AM
Sep 2021

It became a U.S. territory in 1898, and that means everyone born there since 1898 is/was an American citizen. Statehood is not necessary for that. People born in U.S. territories are birthright U.S. citizens, just as much as those born in any of the states.

raging moderate

(4,304 posts)
55. John McCain was not born in a State.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 09:40 AM
Sep 2021

That never mattered to the Birthers, did it? Ted Cruz was born in Canada, but that has never mattered to the Birthers. They were only trying to manufacture an excuse for their hatred of Barack Obama.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
45. RightWing media acts like all this crap is credible and newsworthy
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 08:40 PM
Sep 2021

Some idiot says it and without verifying anything for accuracy, they repeat it. That's where it is all coming from. If the spotty-behind people sitting around watching Fox/Oan/Newsmax didn't have a bunch of stooges telling them that they are normal, our society would be better off and they would be back in the dark corners where they belong. I am looking forward to that day. I hope it happens in my lifetime.

bucolic_frolic

(43,146 posts)
46. They are a perverse, ugly, cynical, adversarial lot who abrades all they contact
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 09:04 PM
Sep 2021

They can't leave anything unspoiled, especially if it's associated with women. They manufacture flaw in everything. I know people like this, I have learned to tune them out. They all got juiced when TFG ran, he was one of them.

They aren't going away? Yes they are, but it will take decades. While they are doing their schtick, the rest of us will be outworking, out thinking them, making our world better and protecting those in our camp. I try not to do business with them, I avoid them, I won't knowingly buy from them, I'd charge them more if I could. We nee to rethink our supply chains.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
47. The belief that non-whites aren't American is racist
Sun Sep 19, 2021, 09:12 PM
Sep 2021

I've dealt with it my whole life. Even liberals with Hillary stickers told me they don't care that I was born and raised here, I'm still an H1b stealing jobs from real Americans. Ask any racist to describe a US citizen and you might hear qualities that describe a Russian or European with nothing to do with the US.

Trump and his dumbass supporters bought into the "illegals are voting" lie and saw brown people voting as proof of fraud. Many of those idiots still believe it's mostly black people on government benefits like WIC and SNAP (not even close, it's disproportionately whites).

These same gullible willful idiots have bought into the lies around COVID. They view complete nonsense as "proof". Masks let viruses through but not oxygen. Masks make it easier to kidnap children. Vaccines make you magnetic (WTF?) or change your DNA somehow. And all sorts of nefarious things are happening in some global conspiracy that we're too dumb to see.

Except this time, they are the ones paying the price of their stupidity more than the sheep who take vaccines and wear masks. BAAAHHHHH!

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
60. The other day, I was in a meeting at work with five other people
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 10:54 AM
Sep 2021

It struck me that of the six of us, exactly one person had been born in the US. Indeed, the one that those yahoos would dislike the most was our boss, a Muslim woman born in Dubai. The others were two Mexicans, a Jamaican, and me, born in the UK. We were having our discussion in English, a language native only to me, the Jamaican, and the American. We are all US citizens, and we all vote.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
61. Most of my career I've been the only one from the US
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 10:59 AM
Sep 2021

Diversity is great but citizenship gets conflated with race way too often. I've worked with citizens of UK, Sweden, Italy, Canada, Israel, etc. yet I'm the only one born and raised in the US. Somehow I'm the job stealer.

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
51. I have a theory about birtherism.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 12:38 AM
Sep 2021

I don't know who came up with birtherism, but I think a lot of overtly and covertly racist white people were happy to jump on that bandwagon, because it gave them something they could hold against Obama without having to admit to themselves or anyone else that they just really did not want a black president.

They weren't interested in hearing any arguments against it, because admitting he really was a native born American would have forced them to find some other excuse to oppose him, and it would been hard to find one, because, well, just look at the man!

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