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Vaccine mandates are legal and that idiot Madison Cawthorn is wrong about the law. I would feel more comfortable flying if the other passengers were vaccinated
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hlthe2b
(101,730 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Treefrog
(4,170 posts)He should require it for trains too, though last time I was on Amtrak they were very strict about the masks. A good thing.
usaf-vet
(6,094 posts)pdxflyboy
(672 posts)Definitely.
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,283 posts)Cards can be duplicated with ordinary card stock and a computer printer. TSA will just hold up the line, debating whether a given card looks fake.
madville
(7,397 posts)Would need to be something checked beforehand, like by the airlines when the ticket is purchased, like the No-Fly list.
Mr.Bill
(24,104 posts)is vigorous enforcement of the laws against forging the cards. Arrest and prosecute those who do that.
cstanleytech
(26,080 posts)the no fly list which the courts have so far supported as well for the most part.
fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)This would defeat the Republicans and their voter ID laws as well.
bluestarone
(16,722 posts)The one to be allowed in federal buildings and on Airline flights. It was extended until next year i believe. Now why can't they combine the vaccination into this drivers license? ( i'm sure they could do this)
JustABozoOnThisBus
(23,283 posts)... Repubs would not want to give them to the undocumented, the homeless.
And, maybe some right-wing talk show hosts would object: What? Only SHEEP would carry a national ID card. They're implanted with chips that can turn you into a lib. Or make you gay. Just like the vaccines.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)Bobstandard
(1,280 posts)I just used my California QR code-based proof of vaccination to get into a restaurant in British Columbia, where they started requiring proof of vaccination earlier this week. Vaccinated Canadians can all download the QR code to their phones. Folks at the restaurants have apps on their phone that read and confirm the QR codes. In CAs case, they QR code image includes name, date of vaccination, and manufacturer
Im willing to suffer longer line times in order to be safer during flights.
patphil
(6,035 posts)I'll bet that everyone who has been vaccinated is in a computer database. I know we are in New York State...there's a phone app that shows our status.
What we need is to consolidate the vaccine information if it hasn't already been done.
Airlines can then just go online with your ID information and verify your vaccine status.
This can be done at the time the ticket is purchased. If the person isn't vaccinated, they can be warned that the transaction will not complete .
As an alternative, a clean test prior to flight could be used as a verifier of "OK to fly" status.
I've simple lost all patience with the anti-vax crowd. We're in a pandemic for God's sake! It's not about freedom, it's about responsibility.
ProfessorGAC
(64,425 posts)We had a vax lottery where there were cash prizes to be drawn for those that got vaxxed.
Not one person had to fill out an entry form.
Getting into the drawing was 100% passive. If you got the shot(s) they knew and your name got entered.
So, the vax card is a secondary form of proof & the vax status could easily be made available to TSA.
Ocelot II
(115,280 posts)but I hope someone will do it if the airlines won't.
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)I just made the OP a little broader. I do not chare which agency does this. I do not want to fly with unvaccinated poorly educated idiots
cadoman
(792 posts)It will be mandated in all public places. All government buildings. All rental properties.
You will be arrested and vaccinated if you are not. There will be nowhere to hide.
Many of us will make a tidy amount of cash turning in our freedumb loving extremist neighbors. I'm looking forward to collecting my first COVID noncompliance bounty.
spinbaby
(15,073 posts)I dont want to be in a tin box with the unvaccinated.
madville
(7,397 posts)Should cover everything pretty well. Providing a testing option would negate any challenge on religious or medical grounds since they have an alternative option.
tavernier
(12,322 posts)Getting a test is next to impossible especially if you live in a remote area. I would rather show proof of vaccination than try to get a Covid test 72 hours before flight. And Im speaking totally from experience.
Joinfortmill
(14,247 posts)kairos12
(12,817 posts)jimfields33
(15,473 posts)Masks mandatory. Worked out perfectly.
ananda
(28,783 posts)Make it so.
hollygolively
(87 posts)Flying is not a right. Just like having a drivers license is not a right.
The Federal government can sure impose all sorts of other precautionary things on us in the name of National Security. I'd say being vaccinated to travel IS a National Security issue too. Not just a health issue.
murpheeslaw
(110 posts)Traildogbob
(8,584 posts)PERIOD, according to Spicer, that makes it absolute. Great way to own the repukes, anything to piss em off. Fuck Cawthorn, he does not follow plane regs anyway. Guns allowed for him.
Wild blueberry
(6,543 posts)not a texan
(39 posts)I live in Hawaii and our numbers are out of control, almost like Florida. This would help us get our vaccination numbers up enough to be safe again. I know some non vaxed people would get just to visit family on the mainland. We can't go any further than one island without an airplane so bring it on please
AZLD4Candidate
(5,568 posts)to do that, and under the FAA, an exec. order would work too.
LittleGirl
(8,261 posts)I was hoping this would be in effect before I go!
Paladin
(28,204 posts)Curtis
(348 posts)my wife and I recently flew to Hawaii to purchase a house as our's in California burned with the rest of the town in Greenville in early August. The thing is we had been out of the country going back to Feb 2020. We were pretty much stuck in Grenada because air travel was shut down then we refused to fly without being vaccinated. Grenada began vaccinating non-residents in June 2021. However, they only offered the AstraZeneca vaccine. Well, my wife has a health condition that the even the manufacturers of AZ said under no circumstances should she use their vaccine but instead go for Pfizer.
So, since we spend a good portion of our lives on a sailboat down there, we began our search for an island nation that would allow us to be vaccinated as nonresidents. We eventually found Bonaire would vaccinate us with the Pfizer vaccine. We headed there at the end of July and finished the process at the end of August and flew out on Sept 4.
All was good right? Not exactly. We understand and agree with having to get tested even though being vaccinated. No problem. So we got tested in Bonaire. Clean. Good deal right? Not exactly. Hawaii has very strict rules, which is great for sure. However, they refused to accept our vaccine because it wasn't done in the USA. As if getting poked at a CVS Pharmacy is in anyway better than getting it done at a medical clinic in Bonaire (and keep in mind that Bonaire is actually as much a part of the Netherlands as Hawaii is the US). So, we had to jump through other hoops to get into Hawaii. Our flight went from Bonaire, thru Miami (yuck), to LAX for an over night stop and on to San Jose the next day. We then had to rent a car and drive up to Oakland. Why? Because not only would Hawaii not recognize our vaccine but they require tests be done ONLY at one of their partner labs for the Safe Travel program. Oakland airport is one of those place. So, we drove from San Jose to Oakland, got test, stayed the night in Oakland, flew out to Honolulu the next morning and then on to Hilo. 6700 miles, 7 airports, two over night stays and two tests. If they had accepted our vaccine, we would have been able to do all that with one test and 3 or 4 airports with no over nights and no rental car to move from one airport to another.
Anyway, I am happy with the stringent rules, testing, etc. But, my goodness. Our vaccination should be recognized as legit. The Netherlands is a first would country afterall.
Curtis
The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)The Wielding Truth
(11,411 posts)safety from a preventable infection. It should be a mandate.
FakeNoose
(32,356 posts)... and masks worn at all times. Think that will ever happen?
brer cat
(24,402 posts)GoneOffShore
(17,309 posts)3000 healthcare workers here in France were let go yesterday because they weren't vaccinated.
To get on a train last week to go to Paris, I had to provide proof of vaccination, plus wear a mask for the whole journey. To sit down at a restaurant, I have to provide proof of vaccination. To go to England, I have to provide proof of vaccination plus a negative anti-gen test AND a negative PCR test within 72 hours of landing. While on a plane and in the airport, masks are required.
Looks like America doesn't really want to recover from the pandemic.
DFW
(54,056 posts)Same thing. Mask requirement for all at all times, and strict Police Nationale control on the track upon arrival. Passengers who lacked proof of vaccination plus a valid ID withe the same name were refused entry and sent back to Brussels.
SouthBayDem
(31,962 posts)Ford_Prefect
(7,828 posts)ancianita
(35,813 posts)bluestarone
(16,722 posts)States need to comply with the vaccine show of proof on Drivers license, just like they did with the new drivers license that were due in Oct but extended.
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)Ocelot II
(115,280 posts)14 CFR § 121.317 (f). Each passenger required by § 121.311(b) to occupy a seat or berth shall fasten his or her safety belt about him or her and keep it fastened while the Fasten Seat Belt sign is lighted.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/121.317
Wearing a seat belt in a commercial vehicle is also required by federal law. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/392.16
PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)that requires people to wear seat belts in their cars.
Ocelot II
(115,280 posts)the quoted OP really should be directed to what's required ON airplanes, since the issue is whether vaccination should be required in order to ride in one. If the FAA can require the use of seat belts on an airplane, which they can and do, logically they can require vaccination to fly in an airplane as well. Both are issues of passenger safety.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)So as fun as splitting hairs may be, it's often rather irrelevant (at best) to the premise of the discussion.
bamagal62
(3,218 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,632 posts)Voltaire2
(12,626 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)That way the Red states can't infect the Blue states.
mcar
(42,210 posts)TomSlick
(11,035 posts)The anti-vaxxers have no right to kill the rest of us.
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)We are already restricting foreign nationals from coming to the US who are not vaccinated
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The head of the White Houses Covid-19 Response Team, Jeff Zients, announced Monday that foreign nationals must show proof of vaccination and proof of a negative Covid-19 test taken three days prior to boarding an airplane. Zients said the Center for Disease and Prevention will determine which vaccines will be accepted.
This new international travel system follows the science to keep Americans and international air travel safe, Zients said. By requiring foreign nationals to be fully vaccinated in order to fly to the United States and in implementing additional strict safety protocols, we will protect Americans here at home and enhance the safety of international travel.
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)Link to tweet
"I would support that," Dr. Fauci told The Skimm podcast on Friday. "If you want to get on a plane and travel with other people ... you should be vaccinated."
He did not specify in the podcast interview whether the vaccine mandate he supports would just be for travelers over the age of 12 or all travelers.,,,,
White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator Jeff Zients was also asked about the possibility of vaccine mandates for domestic flights Monday.
"We're pulling available levers to require vaccinations and we're not taking any measures off the table," he said.
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)DFW
(54,056 posts)We sent copies of our Dallas vaccinations (Moderna) to the health department when we got back to Düsseldorf. A few days later, we went to our local pharmacy. They checked with the health department data base, and handed us our EU vax docs, complete with both bar codes and QR code within ten minutes.
LetMyPeopleVote
(144,005 posts)Here is a great example of why unvaccinated assholes should NOT be allowed to fly
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