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[jimfields33]

1. In fairness, the media has talked covid for close to two years.

[applegrove]

2. Hold onto some empathy for the others. Likely teaching us to hate

and not care for poor or low information others is libertarianism and a feature of COVID and the GOP future plans. It is the politics if personal responsibility.

[DET]

3. Well Said

Your post expresses exactly how I feel. Somehow we’ve become desensitized to the insanity of thousands of people dying daily from a mostly preventable disease. This is the legacy of Trumpism - slowly acclimate people to accept the unthinkable. After a while it becomes the norm. And the worst is that the politicians they look up to are encouraging them to die. I don’t know how to process this anymore.

I live in Northern Virginia, where most people are sane and vaccinated. But I immediately feel like it’s a different universe if I travel west or south for ten miles. I can’t imagine living anywhere that still supports radical right wing crazies.

[RussBLib]

4. Media cannot resist an attractive blonde white woman

My wife gets her booster (3rd shot) this Friday. I will get mine the following Friday.

And yeah, a lot of this is Trump's fault.

[maxsolomon]

5. Covid is boring.

There's nothing that most vaccinated people who mask and distance can do to move the needle on vaccination rates in states a 1000 miles away.

You could allow space for other stories; they're going to happen.

[Hekate]

10. Cleared out the nursing homes, you mean? Papa and Nana?

Actually, Nicolle Wallace / Dateline White House / MSNBC, covered COVID deaths as personalized obits at the end of every show for something like a solid year. Children. Teens. Moms & Dads. People in the prime of life and people in fairly robust old age.

She took a breather from the obits after vaccines became readily available and widely distributed in the Biden administration. She is talking about the Pandemic of the Unvaccinated now; and the Pandemic of the Children, who by the way can’t yet be vaccinated.

Sorry, but you are wrong, and screw that noise.

[cinematicdiversions]

13. Nah that is old New York covid with a helping hand from Cuomo.

We got the Delta now. And it seems to be targeting Sovereign citizens and right wing radio talk show hosts.

Even in Florida almost all the elderly are vaccinated.

I would prefer if no one dies and that virus simply wore itself out. (Which like all viruses, it eventually will) But statiscally, America is becoming smarter and better looking every day. If we are to lose thousands of Americans a week to a virus, I would rather depopulate Alabama than California.

[Kaleva]

7. I would think that Climate Change alone would dissuade you from moving south

[traitorsgalore]

23. It does too. Massive heat, constant severe storms, shrinking coastlines

It's easy to search Zillow looking for inexpensive real estate or watch TV fixer-upper shows and dream about a home somewhere until reality hits. Reality has hit hard.

[GulfCoast66]

8. I'm sorry. I can't agree. Unless you think the media should talk about nothing but Covid deaths.

Here in Florida Covid tops all conversations.

Because it’s not just old, sick people dying now. But young parents.

All unvaccinated.

The horrible deaths here, the Governor’s sick fight against any effort to contain the death, all of it. We get it daily.

At my workplace Covid is a constant conversation.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. And that woman who was killed by her boyfriend out west has a major Florida angle. But have not heard in discussed at all at work. It’s all about the Covid.

[Bev54]

9. It should not be considered and either or situation, they are both reported in the news

and so they should be. I really find that cable news is primarily politics now instead of news. They need to get back to reporting both as Americans do not know what is going on out there, not just in the US but the world.

[brush]

11. So true. Welcome to DU.

[elevator]

12. You could join the wife and I in Mexico. We couldn't be happier.

Been here seven years and never going back. Of course, we have no kids so nothing really pulls us back. We live in the mountains overlooking the largest natural lake in Mexico. The average year round temp is about 73-74%. Our 3 bedroom, 3 bath 10 year old house, with a pool and wonderful view of the lake is $1,000 a month rent. The healthcare is modern and incredibly inexpensive. Doctor's make housecalls for god's sake. Certainly there are problems here. No place is paradise. But, the people are warm and family oriented and the food is great, with many types of restaurants. I walk 18 holes of golf on a gorgeous course three days a week. In seven years here, I've missed playing 3-4 times due to weather. My wife goes into the village everyday and has lunch with friends and plays cards after. I know it's not possible for many, but we are happier here than anywhere we've ever lived.

[róisín_dubh]

15. I'm a historian of law in Mexico.

You paint the country in rather rosy tones. I imagine you live in an ex-pat haven and not in Ciudad Neza, Culiacan or Guadalajara. Nothing wrong with that at all. But it ain’t the same.
I haven’t been in the country much since I started researching violence against women there.

[elevator]

20. Did you read the part where I said there were problems here?

I go into Guadalajara 3 times a week for golf. After seven years I'm just fine. Of course there are places one wants to avoid just as there are in the states and most countries. There is a lot of corruption, but on a smaller scale than the US. If you don't become involved in the drug trade the chances of being a victim of violence is small. Are you aware that Mexico just decriminalized abortion. Texas?
Everything I said about living here is true, rosy or not. Yes, we live outside of an ex-pat area, because I'd rather live with mostly Mexican neighbors.

Violence against women is a worldwide problem, but people are working on making it better and exposing it here.

The chance of being shot down at a concert, sporting event, movie, restaurant, church or school is almost non-existent compared to the US.

[róisín_dubh]

25. Here ya go, because I actually happen to be an expert in this.

"Two-thirds of women in Mexico have experienced some form of violence, according to official statistics"
https://news.trust.org/item/20210125201102-i73x7

Femicides in Mexico: Impunity and Protests
https://www.csis.org/analysis/femicides-mexico-impunity-and-protests

Women are being killed in Mexico at record rates, but the president says most emergency calls are 'false'
https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/05/americas/mexico-femicide-coronavirus-lopez-obrador-intl/index.html

Violence against women is on the rise in Mexico. How do Mexicans perceive it?
https://globalvoices.org/2021/07/30/violence-against-women-is-on-the-rise-in-mexico-how-do-mexicans-perceive-it/


Educate yourself. Because even if you refuse to see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

And oh yeah, I'm well aware that Mexico just decriminalised abortion. Good.
I'll assume you're a man. Please, don't try and mansplain me corruption or violence against women in Mexico.

[elevator]

26. Oh an expert. Wow. I'm not refusing to see anything or "mansplain" anything.

cause I really don't know what that even means. Evidently to you all men think and feel alike, so it doesn't make much sense to have a conversation with you.
Self- proclaimed expertise does not impress me, not does listing a bunch of articles. I never claimed there was not violence against women here, nor against anyone else for that matter. I said my wife and I love our lives here and have many Mexican friends that are content with their lives. Comprende?

[róisín_dubh]

29. Te entiendo completamente bien, guey.

No es una autoproclamada, he trabajado durante 20 años estudiando esta tema. Y tu no tienes ningún idea de lo que pienso. Pero, no tengo ni tiempo ni paciencia para discutir con una persona cualquiera en la red.

Bien, debo volver a cosas mas importantes que tú, como mi revista sobre violencia de género en México.

[elevator]

30. You've listed your degrees etc in numerous posts so don't deny it.

And you screwed up your Spanish genius saying "she is not a self-proclaimed person". Maybe you should have studied more.

You have been very explicit about what you think, so why wouldn't I know.

[Hulk]

14. Come down here to Mexico

I've been here off and on now since 2004. Been living here permanently for the past three years. The climate is amazing...the people and food are wonderful.

I couldn't survive at my standard of comfort for 4K a month up north, and I want for nothing living in central Mexico.

Yes there are cartels. Yes there is poverty with many of the Mexicans; but they are great, hard working "family oriented" souls. I don't worry about a lunatic with an AR 15 down here. I haven't heard of one "Karen tantrum" or racist attack...they probably occur, but nothing like the cult deplorables on the other side of the Rio Grand.

I miss my kids and grandkids...but I go home a few times a year to visit. Maybe see them more living down here than I might up there.

We progressives are struggling to keep reality and sanity winning up in the USA. I can do that from down here. I considered the South....not a chance!

[róisín_dubh]

16. I love Mexico. I've studied it my whole life.

But it is not a safe place to be a woman.

[elevator]

21. How about Texas, or the US military? Your comment is not true.

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I've been here seven years and know personally of no women who have been the victims of violence. Of course it happens and as usual it is generally due to poverty and lack of education. In the US, not so much.

[róisín_dubh]

24. So...because you've never heard about it, it's not happening?

Jesus...
FWIW, I've just completed a law degree which included a Masters thesis on violence against women. I also have a PhD in Mexican history...and I focus on violence against women in the 20th century.

Clearly you haven't looked at a Mexican newspaper lately.

So nice try.

[elevator]

27. Read them everyday.

I didn't say I hadn't heard about it. Of course it's in the news. I said I personally didn't know anyone that told me they experienced it, nor have I seen it.
I have a Masters as well, so what? Listing credentials over and over does say something about you, just probably not what you want it to.

[róisín_dubh]

28. Blah blah blah, experts aren't shit.

Whatever dude. I get paid good money to educate people, but I sure as hell don't get paid to have my expertise denigrated by a privileged expat on DU.

[elevator]

31. I haven't denigrated anything. Just bored hearing about it.

I got paid good money for quite a while and now I don't need to work. If that is privileged so be it.
Your magazine must not be that interesting as you sure are posting a lot.
Do your students tire quickly of your smug superiority as well?

[Kaleva]

18. I manage on around $1400 a month and I want for nothing

But I do own my home free and clear and most of what I pay in property tax is refunded back to me because I'm low income. I also have the VA for health care.

I do supplement my income by babysitting for $4 an hour a couple days of the week.

[mnhtnbb]

17. Please don't write off "the south"

as a viable place to retire. I'm a transplanted Yankee who never thought she could live in the south, but I've been in the Research Triangle area of North Carolina now for 21 years. I bought a house in a new development in Durham--moved in last January--and it's wonderful. Very cosmopolitan. Diverse. My neighbors are black and white, Chinese ,Korean, and Indian. Educated. Some retired and some young professionals. New neighbors have come from New York, Pennsylvania, DC, California, Texas, Arkansas and other states. On one side of me there is a 30ish couple from Puerto Rico. He's a doc at one of the university medical centers and she's a psychologist. On the other side is a retired doc--originally from Toronto, Canada, who worked in Ohio before retiring here to be close to grandkids.

The south is not all hopelessly ignorant Republican Trumpists. Durham County voted 80% for Biden. We have a Democratic governor. Slowly, NC is becoming more purple. We did vote for Obama in 2008. There is a good chance a Dem will take Burr's Senate seat.

I am as disturbed as you are with the willfully ignorant and self destructive behavior of people throughout the deep south who have refused to be vaccinated or follow simple public health precautions to prevent the spread of Covid. But that doesn't apply to all of the south, and that behavior is in other states, too.

[Hulk]

22. Happy story.....I'm glad for you.

When I "write off the South", I also need to acknowledge there are some really wonderful people living there. Unfortunately, they are surrounded by some high percentages of not so great peeps. That "Southern mentality" toward people of color and the Civil War legacy make me write it off quickly. But I've driven all across the USA numerous times (never been up to the Northeast yet), and I've seen dixie flags waving in every corner of the country.....most always in the rural areas.

I feel for the progressive and rational people that are surrounded by so many ignorant cult types. Then the Covid vaccination subject makes me literally afraid to be around such parts of the country at all. Virginia, Georgia and North Carolina are almost blue, and hopefully Florida will join one day too. I have little faith in most of the rest, MI, AR, TX, AL, TN, WV. So many, so proud to be so ignorant and block headed.

[Renew Deal]

19. I don't blame people for the media coverage but you're not all wrong.

Sports scores are the news of the day. So are mysteries about missing people. The press can’t cover people that choose to not vaccinate themselves 24/7. But I do think you have a point about “living” in red states. Most of them have shown a complete disregard for human life. Places like Texas, Florida, MS, and Alabama should be avoided. They don’t care about people.