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kpete

(71,986 posts)
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:11 PM Sep 2021

This is the six-point plan advanced by Trump lawyer John Eastman for VP Pence to overturn election

This is the six-point plan advanced by Trump lawyer John Eastman for VP Pence to overturn the election on January 6th.

1. VP Pence, presiding over the joint session (or Senate Pro Tempore Grassley, if
Pence recuses himself), begins to open and count the ballots, starting with
Alabama (without conceding that the procedure, specified by the Electoral
Count Act, of going through the States alphabetically is required).

2. When he gets to Arizona, he announces that he has multiple slates of electors,
and so is going to defer decision on that until finishing the other States. This
would be the first break with the procedure set out in the Act.

3. At the end, he announces that because of the ongoing disputes in the 7 States,
there are no electors that can be deemed validly appointed in those States. That
means the total number of “electors appointed” – the language of the 12th
Amendment -- is 454. This reading of the 12th Amendment has also been
advanced by Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe (here). A “majority of the
electors appointed” would therefore be 228. There are at this point 232 votes for
Trump, 222 votes for Biden. Pence then gavels President Trump as re-elected.

4. Howls, of course, from the Democrats, who now claim, contrary to Tribe’s prior
position, that 270 is required. So Pence says, fine. Pursuant to the 12th
Amendment, no candidate has achieved the necessary majority. That sends the
matter to the House, where the “the votes shall be taken by states, the
representation from each state having one vote . . . .” Republicans currently
control 26 of the state delegations, the bare majority needed to win that vote.
President Trump is re-elected there as well.

5. One last piece. Assuming the Electoral Count Act process is followed and, upon
getting the objections to the Arizona slates, the two houses break into their
separate chambers, we should not allow the Electoral Count Act constraint on
debate to control. That would mean that a prior legislature was determining
the rules of the present one — a constitutional no-no (as Tribe has forcefully
argued). So someone – Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, etc. – should demand normal rules
(which includes the filibuster). That creates a stalemate that would give the
state legislatures more time to weigh in to formally support the alternate slate
of electors, if they had not already done so.

6. The main thing here is that Pence should do this without asking for permission
– either from a vote of the joint session or from the Court. Let the other side
challenge his actions in court, where Tribe (who in 2001 conceded the President
of the Senate might be in charge of counting the votes) and others who would
press a lawsuit would have their past position -- that these are non-justiciable
political questions – thrown back at them, to get the lawsuit dismissed. The
fact is that the Constitution assigns this power to the Vice President as the
ultimate arbiter. We should take all of our actions with that in mind.

http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2021/images/09/20/eastman.memo.pdf


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This is the six-point plan advanced by Trump lawyer John Eastman for VP Pence to overturn election (Original Post) kpete Sep 2021 OP
Horrifying. Truly horrifying. Coventina Sep 2021 #1
And what would have happened next? Freddie Sep 2021 #2
Trump almost became dictator and yet he still has support of the GOP, and it is still possible Doodley Sep 2021 #3
It is scary how close we came to losing our democratic form of government LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #4
Horrible plan... Mike Nelson Sep 2021 #5
A prime topic for Constitutional law classes. keithbvadu2 Sep 2021 #6
We Were Close To The Edge COL Mustard Sep 2021 #7
As far as I'm concerned Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #11
5 votes decided Martin Eden Sep 2021 #17
sounds' to me , we might need a lot of jail space! better start taking bid's ? monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #8
I just realized how bad this situation could have been if Trump was vice president ColinC Sep 2021 #9
Damn! kentuck Sep 2021 #10
He didn't put this together. Mr.Bill Sep 2021 #12
Kentucky has McConnell. Iowa has Grassley StClone Sep 2021 #13
All while insurrectionists were breaking down the doors tinrobot Sep 2021 #14
GOP is a treasonous conspiracy. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #15
Grassley needs to face the music. progressoid Sep 2021 #16
Tribe response scipan Sep 2021 #18
More from/about Tribe scipan Sep 2021 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author ExTex Sep 2021 #20

Coventina

(27,115 posts)
1. Horrifying. Truly horrifying.
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:17 PM
Sep 2021

We came so close to losing our Republic.

I firmly believe that people need to be jailed for this attempted coup. Not just the rabble they've been rounding up, but the planners and instigators. These people walk free and THEY WILL TRY IT AGAIN!

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
3. Trump almost became dictator and yet he still has support of the GOP, and it is still possible
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:37 PM
Sep 2021

he will go head to head with Biden at the next election.

LetMyPeopleVote

(145,168 posts)
4. It is scary how close we came to losing our democratic form of government
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:39 PM
Sep 2021

This Eastman asshole needs to be disbarred and imprisoned s

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
5. Horrible plan...
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 07:39 PM
Sep 2021

... horrible man. The Republicans goal is to do this, still. The Electoral College helped them get losers GWB and The Donald into office... but even that is not dependable anymore.

Mr.Bill

(24,284 posts)
11. As far as I'm concerned
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 09:55 PM
Sep 2021

we went over it in 2000. Our election was decided by nine people voting. Nine.

ColinC

(8,291 posts)
9. I just realized how bad this situation could have been if Trump was vice president
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 09:32 PM
Sep 2021

And in this same position as so many other presidential candidates have been in the past.

StClone

(11,683 posts)
13. Kentucky has McConnell. Iowa has Grassley
Mon Sep 20, 2021, 10:02 PM
Sep 2021

Corrupt as sin, old degenerates with "Conservative" values of whatever works to keep the money coming and total control.

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