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left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:49 AM Sep 2021

Man charged with felony, jailed on $50k cash bond for 43-cent 'theft'

Joseph Sobolewski stopped at a convenience store in Perry County last month where he saw a sign for 20-ounce Mountain Dew bottles: 2 for $3. He grabbed a bottle, slapped $2 on the counter and walked out. What he didn’t know was a single bottle was $2.29, not $1.50. So he had shorted the store 29 cents plus tax, or 43 cents total.

The store called police, who tracked him down.
Pennsylvania State police officers charged him with a felony, locked him up on $50,000 cash-only bond. He’s facing the possibility of up to seven years in prison. His situation highlights several serious problems in the criminal justice system, according to reform advocates: police pushing minor matters into criminal courts; magisterial district judges setting impossible high bonds; and the state’s ‘three strikes’ law’ for retail theft that doesn’t consider the value of the item in the third arrest.

Sobolewski’s first theft conviction occurred more than 10 years ago and involved a tank of gasoline. He drove off without paying. In December 2011, he was arrested for stealing a pair of shoes from a K-Mart in Cumberland County that cost $39.99. For that crime he paid more than $866 in fines and fees and was sentenced to three months in jail for a probation violation.

Now the homeless man faces the possibility of three-and-a-half years to seven years in prison for a theft of less than 50 cents.

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2021/09/man-charged-with-felony-jailed-on-50k-cash-bond-for-43-cent-theft.html




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Man charged with felony, jailed on $50k cash bond for 43-cent 'theft' (Original Post) left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 OP
He faces more time than most (all?) of the capital rioters. LuckyCharms Sep 2021 #1
Ridiculous! SheltieLover Sep 2021 #2
This sounds like a misunderstanding. madaboutharry Sep 2021 #3
Nope, just the logical outcome of "tough on crime" policies and laws. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #6
Um, no... Jirel Sep 2021 #7
"Wonder what would have happened if it wasn't a Black man" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #9
There are black people with all kinds of names. madaboutharry Sep 2021 #10
Maybe the name doesn't, but the photo with the article does hurple Sep 2021 #16
This guy's not black left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #19
Not to mention there are black people who can pass as white. n/t intheflow Sep 2021 #28
You beat me to it because I'm mostly African American & my last name is Czech. My nephew, ( my The_REAL_Ecumenist Sep 2021 #40
I'm not sure he's black. Nt XanaDUer2 Sep 2021 #33
Umm, hate to break it to you but I'm African American and MY LAST NAME IS CZECH! Trust me, you'd The_REAL_Ecumenist Sep 2021 #41
So who's the guy sarisataka Sep 2021 #35
"So who's the guy in the picture?" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #43
And The Insurrectionist TFG Is Living The Life Of Luxury....nt global1 Sep 2021 #4
Yes yes, this definitely sounds like justice. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #5
Did not have to look to see that he was black malaise Sep 2021 #8
There is a photo with the article. hurple Sep 2021 #14
He is wearing some natty dreds. marble falls Sep 2021 #30
I think he's white. But regardless it's ridiculous to charge over that. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #15
And homeless. Another group some people love to hate. CrispyQ Sep 2021 #23
Looks like a white guy with dreadlocks IronLionZion Sep 2021 #31
Big time malaise Sep 2021 #38
It's insane, 50 grand bail for "stealing " 49 cents questionseverything Sep 2021 #50
This is so fucking wrong it almost makes me cry. CrispyQ Sep 2021 #11
Even if the cops are acting like weasel dung DFW Sep 2021 #12
The judge may have no choice StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #17
"three strikes and you're out" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #20
There's discretion in the bail. rsdsharp Sep 2021 #25
In a better world, Joseph Sobolewski would sue this store for false advertising FakeNoose Sep 2021 #13
He was in a hurry or something. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #18
The judge should have thrown it out FakeNoose Sep 2021 #21
I agree. Or have him pay the 49 cent or whatever it was. jimfields33 Sep 2021 #22
We definitely need to look at these idiotic three-strikes laws jmowreader Sep 2021 #24
Javert would be proud. AZLD4Candidate Sep 2021 #26
I think he needs 1 year just for that 'do rag. Nothing like keeping punishment proportonal ... marble falls Sep 2021 #27
This means that Trump's great great great great great great great grandchildren would world wide wally Sep 2021 #29
Sounds like criminality is genetic in that family IronLionZion Sep 2021 #32
Why would Trump's descendants be locked up for his crimes? left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #34
just extrapolating on this guy's sentence world wide wally Sep 2021 #36
Yeah, that's a horrific crime alright. Jeezus HC. Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #37
Unless it is clearly stated the price of a single bottle marie999 Sep 2021 #39
I've often seen it the other way left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #42
There's A Law Here ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #44
"There's A Law Here" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #45
Sorry. Illinois ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #46
"I did mention grocers in Chicago" left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #47
New Mexico ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #49
Les Miserables iemanja Sep 2021 #48

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
6. Nope, just the logical outcome of "tough on crime" policies and laws.
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:56 AM
Sep 2021

Which...of course uphold white supremacy.

Jirel

(2,014 posts)
7. Um, no...
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:56 AM
Sep 2021

First, not a black man. Dreds and a head scarf don't change his race. Second... misunderstanding? He may have misunderstood a sign, but there was no misunderstanding by the clerk who called the police, or the prosecutors who decided to make a giant case out of a few pennies, or the judge that found him such a public threat that he'll never bail out.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
9. "Wonder what would have happened if it wasn't a Black man"
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 10:57 AM
Sep 2021

You think 'Joseph Sobolewski' is a black man?

"Sobolewski is a Polish surname, which means a person from places in Poland called Sobolew or Sobolewo,
both derived from the Polish sobol, meaning "sable."

madaboutharry

(40,190 posts)
10. There are black people with all kinds of names.
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:01 AM
Sep 2021

Jewish names, Swedish names…you don’t know what a person’s grandfather had as a last name.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(715 posts)
40. You beat me to it because I'm mostly African American & my last name is Czech. My nephew, ( my
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 04:59 PM
Sep 2021

youngest brother's son) is a Bosnian Kosovar, (the ex-wife is Bosnian & Kosovar) & speaks 4 languages FLUENTLY. His first name is Darko & his last name is English. I don't know why people think that because we have permanent tans, naturally plump lips, round behinds & curly hair. Ukraine has ALOT of mixed people due to the numbers of black people who moved there in the 30's & married the locals...& please don't get me started on how any people I know who have fathers who are Slavic, Scandinavian,( I have Swedish & Norwegian blood myself), Jewish, (even Hasidic)...So ignorant to assume nonsense. My last name begins with 2 consonants. Thank you for trying to open eyes.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(715 posts)
41. Umm, hate to break it to you but I'm African American and MY LAST NAME IS CZECH! Trust me, you'd
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 05:12 PM
Sep 2021

have ALL KINDS of problems trying to pronounce it as it begins with 2 consonants. Of course, since you know so much about Polish, you're aware that Polish & Czech are VERY close and is, for the most part, mutually understandable. One of My youngest brother's sons is Bosnian Kosovar & African American with the first name of DARKO but with my English maiden name. He also speaks 4 languages FLUENTLY. I speak Magyar, (Hungarian) & a smattering of a few other languages. Amazing, ain't it? Black folks can have Slavic, Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Asian, Native American, French etc surnames...but according to you, that's not possible, right? Open your eyes & your mind because you sound a WEE bit ignorant...just sayin'.

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
23. And homeless. Another group some people love to hate.
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:23 AM
Sep 2021

When I used to take the bus, I was appalled at how the homeless were treated. And it was almost always white men who were hostile, & almost always toward a homeless man. Sometimes they'd be rude to a homeless woman, but I've seen them spit at or on homeless men, flipped them off, curse at them, refuse to let them sit by or near them. It didn't happen often, but it was shocking when it did.

I live in a pretty nice area with nice weather, & we have a lot of homeless. I think the country is much meaner than when I was a kid. Or maybe the meanness was just better disguised? IDK.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
31. Looks like a white guy with dreadlocks
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 01:11 PM
Sep 2021

although our justice system may have still treated him unfairly

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
50. It's insane, 50 grand bail for "stealing " 49 cents
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 07:48 PM
Sep 2021

Arrested by state troopers



The three strikes law is horrific anyway but think of the waste of taxpayers paying 20 grand plus a year over 49 freaking cents

This is why we can’t have nice things

CrispyQ

(36,424 posts)
11. This is so fucking wrong it almost makes me cry.
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:06 AM
Sep 2021

America has had a War on the Poor for as long as I can remember.

DFW

(54,302 posts)
12. Even if the cops are acting like weasel dung
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:10 AM
Sep 2021

What kind of presiding judge hands down a judgment like THAT?

(Don't tell me, I bet I can guess....)

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
17. The judge may have no choice
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:16 AM
Sep 2021

I think this is a "three strikes and you're out" state - the judge has no discretion.

rsdsharp

(9,146 posts)
25. There's discretion in the bail.
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 12:30 PM
Sep 2021

A $50,000 cash bond on a 43 cent “theft” would seem to be a violation of the Eighth Amendment prohibition against excessive bail.

FakeNoose

(32,599 posts)
13. In a better world, Joseph Sobolewski would sue this store for false advertising
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:12 AM
Sep 2021

How is the store's failure to communicate the true price of the soda, any of his problem? He paid for the soda, he didn't steal it.

He was arrested for being a homeless man who had the nerve of coming into THAT store. All the other stuff, including the hyper-overreaction by the store clerk, the police, and the judge failing to throw this out of court - that's just BIZARRO WORLD!


jimfields33

(15,705 posts)
18. He was in a hurry or something.
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:17 AM
Sep 2021

Why not wait to be rung up? You don’t throw down money and walk out. First stores need to inventory each item so when scanned, it decreases the supply. Regardless, it’s a ridiculous over blown situation.

jimfields33

(15,705 posts)
22. I agree. Or have him pay the 49 cent or whatever it was.
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:22 AM
Sep 2021

Those 3 strikes laws need to be revolved. The judge didn’t have a choice I think.

jmowreader

(50,533 posts)
24. We definitely need to look at these idiotic three-strikes laws
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 11:32 AM
Sep 2021

If the guy would have committed three felonies…sure, pitch his ass in jail and throw away the key.

But man, we’re talking here about three cases of petit theft, one of which is almost too insignificant to count. I don’t think the Hardened Criminal Enhancement thing was designed to cover a guy who misread a sign.

marble falls

(57,014 posts)
27. I think he needs 1 year just for that 'do rag. Nothing like keeping punishment proportonal ...
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 12:36 PM
Sep 2021

I just don't see how this isn't cruel punishment, it does seem to be awfully common.

world wide wally

(21,739 posts)
29. This means that Trump's great great great great great great great grandchildren would
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 12:36 PM
Sep 2021

still be getting locked up with no end in sight for his crimes.
Dayum!

 

marie999

(3,334 posts)
39. Unless it is clearly stated the price of a single bottle
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 04:44 PM
Sep 2021

that is totally wrong. Every store I have shopped at that is having a sale that says 2 for $3 dollars always charged me $1.50 for 1.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
42. I've often seen it the other way
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 05:57 PM
Sep 2021

My local Smith's (Kroger's) does
"10 for $10 or $1.25 each"
on canned goods or boxes of mac & cheese.

But the newspaper circular and shelf tags tell you.

ProfessorGAC

(64,877 posts)
44. There's A Law Here
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 06:20 PM
Sep 2021

If it's marked as a "twofer", the sign advertising it must have the single price clearly marked. That emphasis on clearly, is not mine.
The law actually specifies the % of font size required for that single price.
If it's not properly marked, the sales price of one MUST be 1/2 of the marked "twofer".
A couple big chains got hammered for this in the Chicago area back in the 90s. So, the Assembly passed a law on this and the governor signed it. Has to be at least 25 years ago.
Under this law, it's considered false or misleading advertising and tantamount to "bait & switch."
I doubt this is true in all states, though.

ProfessorGAC

(64,877 posts)
49. New Mexico
Tue Sep 21, 2021, 07:33 PM
Sep 2021

My wife still wants snow & winter, but if we ever did move away from that stuff, your state.
Blue state, pot legal.
That works for both of us!
I have a college friend that works at Sandia. Not sure what he does there, though.

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