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Democrats to Move Ahead on Infrastructure Vote
September 21, 2021 at 1:31 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard 192 Comments
https://politicalwire.com/2021/09/21/democrats-to-move-ahead-on-infrastructure-vote/
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Playbook: House Democratic leaders confirmed this morning that they wont be delaying the Sept. 27 vote on the $1.2 trillion bipartisan infrastructure bill even though the partys larger $3.5 trillion reconciliation package wont likely be ready to go by then.
This is a huge win for moderates in both chambers. That effectively decouples the two bills, officially spiking the so-called two-track process that leadership hoped would enable passage of both while keeping the party united.
The obvious big follow-up question here: What will progressives do? Several high-profile members on the left are almost certainly going to vote against this thing some, like Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY), have made their unhappiness with this new process abundantly clear. But the question is how many, and can leadership and President Joe Biden convince enough to go along with this new plan?
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msongs
(67,395 posts)ColinC
(8,289 posts)But it is a bill that will help people, and I hope this also means they are reprioritizing voting rights for the time being.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Without voting rights, no positive agenda will ever be accomplished again.
But color me skeptical.
If we can't get Manchin and Sinema on board with voting rights, America is over.
ColinC
(8,289 posts)My speculation is what's left of my political optimism at this point...
ColinC
(8,289 posts)issues. Voting rights, for instance.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,008 posts)Between this, the reconciliation bill, the debt ceiling, voting rights there are a lot of moving parts that they have to deal with.
BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)Mitch gave Manchin and Sinema all the leverage they need when he said well have to raise without a single R vote.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,008 posts)And maybe that's the play - reform the filibuster on the debt ceiling then move forward on other items.
ColinC
(8,289 posts)Hopefully whatever comes out of it is good.
Amishman
(5,555 posts)This is something that keeps getting brushed aside. While we dumped Trump - we came perilously close to full Republican control of Congress. Passing anything is a win.
The other thing is I suspect our own overall body of Senators and Reps have a wider ideological range than DU - and we often can't agree with each other on this site! Expecting everyone to work in lock step isn't reasonable
ColinC
(8,289 posts)Yeah it is a tough reality, but as you mention, it could be a lot worse!
tritsofme
(17,376 posts)Democrats should send the bill to his desk on Monday, without delay or acrimony.
jalan48
(13,859 posts)the Republicans as well?
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(11,008 posts)But if it's bipartisan, there may be some Rs that we can peel for it. Unless they're all butthurt about the reconciliation bill and vote no out of spite (probably).
FBaggins
(26,728 posts)The majority of the CPC that they claimed they had might be enough, but a number of them have already agreed that one is better than none the squad alone cant do it.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,008 posts)Celerity
(43,318 posts)biggest single Dem Caucus in Congress.
Their huge fear is that the minute that the massively stripped down b-partisan bill is passed, almost all leverage to get even a somewhat reduced Reconciliation bill goes poof.
Even IF Manchin and Sinema do not push it off until 2022, it may well have $2 to 2.5 trillion stripped out from it as well. Almost all the climate change/green jobs/tech/renewables parts are gone from the bi-partisan bill, and Manchin is gunning to do the same for the reconciliation bill. Plus a shedload more of cuts.
Do not forget that $2.05 trillion was already stripped out of Biden's proposal for the bi-partisan bill, total new infrastructure spending is only $550 billion (the other $650 billion is just renewal of old already-passed spending programmes under Trump and Moscow McTurtle).
The Infrastructure Plan: Whats In and Whats Out (it's brutal)
Biden's original plan:
What was left after they took a 2 trillion USD hatchet to it
They already chopped almost EIGHTY percent of actual new spending out of the hard infrastructure bill
and now Manchin wants to chop another almost 60 to 70% out of the even bigger bill, one that needs ZERO Rethugs votes to pass
The total new spending on Biden's original 2 bill proposals (hard and human) was $6.1 trillion.
IF Manchin and Sinema stick to their guns and chop out $2 trillion to $2.5 trillion of of the reconciliation bill, then you are looking at a total new spend for both bills of only $1.55 trillion to $2.05 trillion instead of $6.1 trillion.
That is a truly massive 2/3rds to 3/4ers total reduction in new spending, and the vast majority will be from the parts the largest single Democratic caucus in the House (the 96 person-strong Progressive Caucus) all desperately wanted, especially things to address climate change and to help working class Americans. Pete DeFazio, the Chair of the House Transportation Committee has been very, very unhappy for ages about what the bi-partisan Senators did.
I can see many of the 96 members of the Progressive Caucus (far beyond just The Squad) going bonkers if Manchin and Sinema (as the major Dem players in the 2 guttings) succeed in stripping out 4 to 4.5 trillion USD between the 2 bills.
It may put both bills at risk, and then all hell will break loose between the 2 sides (potentially the 96 House progs versus Manchin and Sinema in the Senate, plus the 10 renegade conservadem Problems Solver types in the House).
There is a way, IF Pelosi can pare down the dissenting progs to say 10, 20, maybe even 30 and THEN enough frontline 'psuedo-moderate' Rethugs vote for the bi-partisan bill only, in order to pass it. There is a problem (of course there is, lol) with that as well, as the House Rethugs (plus the fuckstick Trump) are going full bore to try and threaten any and all House Rethugs who may vote for the bi-partisan bill:
GOP pressure to block bipartisan infrastructure bill builds in the House
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/07/politics/bipartisan-infrastructure-bill-republican-support/index.html
Speaker Pelosi is DEFFO trying to make 10,000 angels dance on the head of a pin. She is probably the only person on the planet (zero hyperbole) who can get both bills passed in the House.
AZSkiffyGeek
(11,008 posts)If that's the case then we deserve the beating we would get in 2022.
Celerity
(43,318 posts)members look at it as if they do not pass both bills at the same time, the other bill will have another $2 to 2.5 trillion 'nuked' out.
You are making an assumption that not passing the bi-partisan bill first means it is dead. It is not. What is dead, however, is pretty much any real leverage Biden and the rest of the caucus have to ensure a far better reconciliation bill.
Spread out over 10 years, the bi-partisan bill has only $55 billion per year in new spend on Biden's agenda, with vast parts completely or nearly completely expunged.
55 billion usd per year.
In 2020 the US government total spend was basically 120 TIMES larger.
https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/spending/
WHITT
(2,868 posts)promised the corporate Dems a vote, not that she would whip the bill.
FBaggins
(26,728 posts)Sure sounds like a commitment to whip the results
WHITT
(2,868 posts)That was ALONG with the reconciliation bill.
tritsofme
(17,376 posts)DickKessler
(364 posts)along with more COVID relief.
I'm not a big fan of these massive bills that take forever to negotiate. President Biden and the Democrats in general need more wins. But that's just my opinion, YMMV.
lindysalsagal
(20,670 posts)and bridges. Either way, dems win politically, and if they don't try, everyone loses in infrastructure disasters.
applegrove
(118,622 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,282 posts)what she is doing.
FBaggins
(26,728 posts)That, however, does not mean that she can always get what we/she wants in every circumstance.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)is the absolute most that was possible to get.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)We lose the house in 2022. Just that simple.
applegrove
(118,622 posts)lower drug prices as something the GOP destroyed a chance at but democrats can and will do with your vote.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)I doubt that will be enough.
applegrove
(118,622 posts)dsc
(52,155 posts)Not one cent, not a single, solitary cent comes from the upper class. It is all from the poor and middle class or from the sale of assets.
Repurposing of unused COVID relief
$210.0B
February 2021 C-band auction
$67.0B
Economic growth (33% return on investment in infrastructure projects)
$56.0B
States returning unused federal unemployment supplement
$53.0B
Delaying Medicare Part D rebate rule
$51.0B
Applying information reporting requirements to cryptocurrency
$28.0B
Extending fees on GSEs
$21.0B
Sales of future spectrum auctions
$20.0B
Reinstating Superfund fees
$14.4B
Mandatory sequester
$8.7B
Extending customs user fees
$6.0B
Sales from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve
$6.0B
Reducing Medicare spending on discarded medications
$3.0B
Extending available interest rate smoothing options for defined benefit pension plans
$2.9B
Sorry one exception to that, the super fund fees. The rest is sale of assets, repurposed funds, or cuts in benefits to the middle and lower classes. And unless you drive, you are basically getting jack shit from this bill.
* IT STEALS MONEY from the Education Stabilization Fund.
* IT STEALS MONEY from relief for airline workers.
* IT STEALS MONEY from the Economic Injury Disaster Loan program for small businesses and nonprofit groups.
* IT STEALS MONEY from the Paycheck Protection Program.
The bill also promotes corporate welfare they call 'public/private partnerships', where they build roads, but charge tolls that consumers have to pay to the corporations for the rest of their lives, build bridges and charge tolls that consumers have to pay to the corporations for the rest of their lives, take water owned by communities and then sell it back to them at greatly inflated prices for the rest of their lives.
AND, according to the EPA, the $15 billion they propose to spend on replacing lead pipes, will replace LESS THAN A THIRD of all the lead pipes in the country. Of course, that means MORE THAN TWO-THIRDS of communities will continue to drink lead-contaminated water.
Of course, much of this is NOT paid for, and will add hundreds of billions to the federal debt.
WHITT
(2,868 posts)Sorry, Charlie Brown is gonna tell Lucy where she can stick that bill.