What say you about denying the anti-body treatments

[doc03]

to COVID victims that were vaccinated? You get the
shots and get the Delta variant because of these assholes
that won't take a shot and they receive better treatment.

[FBaggins]

1. It's about the same as "denying" the Moderna vaccine

to someone who has already received both the Pfizer and J&J vaccines.

They've already received medical treatment that will keep them from getting seriously ill and don't need duplicative treatments that could go to someone who actually needs them.

[doc03]

5. So I got the shot and get COVID and they let me

die to save some MAGA asshat that was responsible for making the Delta variant. Sounds fair.

[Act_of_Reparation]

9. You're not listening.

If you have the vaccine, you already have antibodies. The antibody treatment probably won't do anything for you.

[Blues Heron]

23. Its the opposite - if you still get covid after being vaxxed you NEED antibodies

because you didn't make enough with the vax.

[SheltieLover]

26. +1,000!

[Act_of_Reparation]

30. "If you get sick"

Let's be a little more specific in our meaning here.

If you got the vax and get sick, odds are you are not going to get seriously ill or require hospitalization. If you're not seriously ill, you don't need monoclonial antibodies.

If, however, you are hospitalized, then you may be eligible for monoclonal antibody treatment regardless of your vaccination status.

Are vaccinated people who need the treatments not getting them? Or are people upset because they'd prefer to get the treatment and the doctors don't think it necessary?

[Laurelin]

32. I thought if you're hospitalized it's too late for antibodies

You need them in the first ten days. After that they're useless. Hospitalizations are usually a few weeks after getting sick.

[LisaL]

33. Yep.

Antibodies work if given early on during the course of the disease. The earlier, the better.

[Act_of_Reparation]

41. That is correct.

What I mean to say is monoclonal antibody treatment is at least theoretically available for those who need it; i.e., those who are defined by the CDC as being high-risk for serious infection.

The OP is suggesting that the unvaccinated have access to treatment vaccinated people otherwise don't, and (on paper at least) that doesn't seem to be the case.

[FBaggins]

12. Not even close. Care to try again?

Why are you so sure that you know better than your doctor how to treat your illness?

That sounds exactly like the people you’re blaming. Who cares what the doctors say, right?

[LisaL]

34. Which doctors say that vaccinated individuals don't need antibody treatments?

NT

[FBaggins]

37. Presumably the ones telling the OP that they won't give it to them

NT

[LisaL]

40. OP hasn't asked anyone for antibodies.

NT

[FBaggins]

43. Yet that's what the OP is about

Vaccinated people who get a breakthrough infection and are told that they don't need a specific treatment.

Did you think they were asking their sister?

[SharonAnn]

42. It's the elected politicians, not doctors! Gov. Lee of Tenness unvaccinated get preference.

[Celerity]

35. the Delta variant came from India

some MAGA asshat that was responsible for making the Delta variant.

The MAGAts are spreading it though, massively enabling its spread in the US.

[Blues Heron]

8. its not a vaccine

So it's not duplicative. You can still catch covid and die after being vaccinated. To withold this from the vaxxed in favor of unvaxxed people is wrong. You're basically rewarding their unvaxxed intransigence.

[FBaggins]

14. Long underwear, windbreakers, and a parka are not the same

They are nevertheless duplicative on a chilly day.

Absent other data, I’d expect a doctor to not prescribe an necessary treatment.

[luv2fly]

28. A parka and a windbreaker are duplicative on a chilly day?

Seems excessive to me, but what do I know...

[FBaggins]

29. Those both mean the same thing

They are both options that can keep you warm, but you don't need both unless it's a much colder day.

The vast majority of people in the OP's position (COVID positive despite being fully vaccinated) are already protected against severe illness from the virus. They don't need a second means of protection unless "it's a much colder day" (e.g., they are quite ill and in a high-risk demographic).

[CottonBear]

2. Those who are vaccinated should get priority access to monoclonal antibody treatment.

The unvaccinated COVIDIOTS don’t believe in vaccine science so why should they get treated with with antibodies that were developed by scientists.

[SheltieLover]

7. Agreed!

[samnsara]

3. deny ALL tx from the unvaxxed...

[Mopar151]

4. Bizarro World.

What happens when state legislators apply "Preacher Logic" to complex medical issues.

[SheltieLover]

6. I maintain that the willfully unvaxed should be sent to field hospitals

They should not be allowed to break our healthcare system.

That said, is this legal? If it is, it shouldn't be!

I think the CDC needs to step up & set some rules about how this game is being played, and that's what it appears to be to the qpukes.

Maybe Joe needs to cut off ALL funding to these asshat hick states to get their attention.

[fescuerescue]

17. Staffing the field hospitals

would break the current system.

We can't just instantly produced 3.8 million new nurses and 1m doctors.

[SheltieLover]

18. Then send them home with rx for whatever

Sick of this crap!

Or perhaps other willfully unvaxed can staff it. Know it alls... covid fest.

[fescuerescue]

19. I guess we really didn't want Universal Health Care

as much as we thought we did.

[70sEraVet]

10. Just spread a rumor that the anti-body treatments are made from juice squeezed out of fetuses

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. I think you meant to write "... victims that were *un*vaccinated"

Otherwise, your OP doesn't make sense. It'd also read better if you wrote "antibody" (ie treatments that use antibodies) rather than "anti-body", which looks like something that is bad for your body.

No, not a good idea to deny the monoclonal antibody treatments to people in need of them, unless you have a shortage of that particular treatment causing others to suffer more. If you want to make a point, get them to pay the full price of the treatment personally.

[FBaggins]

16. You were rolling along just fine...

… until “ not a good idea to deny the monoclonal antibody treatments to people in need of them”

That’s the error in the OP. A fully vaccinated person who tests positive is not “in need” of this treatment absent some additional information. Perhaps an elderly person with a high BMI.

[muriel_volestrangler]

22. OK, I'm catching up - I didn't realise this seems to be based on a news story

The Tennessee state government now recommends nearly all vaccinated residents be denied access to monoclonal antibody treatment in a new effort to preserve a limited supply of antibody drugs for those who remain most vulnerable to the virus, largely by their own choice.

The federal government began capping shipments of these drugs last week because the majority of the national supply is being used by a small number of poorly vaccinated southern states, including Tennessee.

State officials say restricting eligibility to the treatment will reserve the now-limited supply of drugs for those unvaccinated residents most likely to suffer severe complications from a coronavirus infection. But the recommendation is certain to frustrate many vaccinated Tennesseans, who took commonsense steps to help stop the pandemic and, as a result, may now lose access to one of the most effective treatments for the virus.

About 44% of Tennesseans are fully vaccinated. Under the state's new recommendation, only vaccinated people who are immunocompromised still will be eligible for monoclonal antibody treatment.

https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2021/09/21/tennessee-covid-19-monoclonal-antibodies-vaccinated/8383051002/

I had thought this was another "why are we treating people who have refused to have the vaccine?" threads - earlier ones being about ER admission and so on. So I thought it would only make sense with "unvaccinated" in the first sentence, and it was suggesting that we start withholding the antibody treatment from the assholes who haven't got the shots.

So when I said "not a good idea to deny the monoclonal antibody treatments to people in need of them", I mean unvaccinated people. Because I'd misunderstood the OP.

[argyl]

13. Amongst the vaxxed, first come first served. And no arm and a leg price gouging.

For the Un vaxxed if there are sufficient supplies they can have it. Or get bathed in the blood of the Lanb.

[fescuerescue]

15. It's not better treatment. It's appropriate treatment

for the case as it stands.

If you already have anti-bodies, an anti-body treatment is likely not effective.

[SheltieLover]

20. Why was Memphis overflow field hospital closed at least a year early?

Another great question for the not so great state of hellhole TN!

400 bed hospital built out by Army Corps of Engineers last year. Quietly closed just as delta took off in Memphis!

[Pobeka]

21. Not necessarily. Vaxxed doesn't mean antibodies are sufficient.

Individuals will all have different levels of antibodies, viral loads etc. A very few vaxxed individuals have died from COVID, and a lot more are facing possible long haul COVID that could be preventable with antibody treatments.

If you are vaxxed, get severe symptoms from a COVID infection, you deserve to be treated with necessary care.

If you are unvaxxed and need antibodies, and there is a shortage -- go to the back of the line.

[2 Meow Momma]

24. I'm in Tennessee where this is a real conversation.

Scares the bejeebers out of me.

[SheltieLover]

27. +1,000!

[Lars39]

31. Me, too, and pissed off beyond belief!

[Mad_Machine76]

25. If they are medically recommended

I see no reason to deny it, even if somebody is vaxxed.

What I have more of an issue of are people whom are refusing to get vaxxed and then turning to it when they get sick, which currently comprises a large majority of people in the southern states. As you might have seen recently, the Federal Government is planning to redistribute the antibody treatment more equitably and southern states are, predictably howling.

[LisaL]

36. Basically, TN wants to reward irresponsible individuals who refuse to get vaccinated

for their irresponsible behavior. While punishing responsible individuals for their responsible behavior.

[BradAllison]

38. I don't believe in entertaining fantasy shit.

Not recommended by doctors