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Now it's Hydrogen Peroxide (Original Post) Norbert Sep 2021 OP
I recommend a nice herbal tea made of monkshood and white baneberry. Ocelot II Sep 2021 #1
Oh my, what a wicked vixen you are. I guess that's why I enjoy your posts so much. alwaysinasnit Sep 2021 #4
Now I'm going to have to Google those two ingredients to see what clever concoction you've dreamt up calguy Sep 2021 #7
Hint: you won't need more tomorrow. Shrike47 Sep 2021 #18
Gotta love herbal remedies. liberaltrucker Sep 2021 #21
Well, they say blondes do have more fun. Survival of the fittest indeed. Chainfire Sep 2021 #2
Wait until they get the brilliant idea to add some vinegar. tanyev Sep 2021 #3
I think that is what I use Nictuku Sep 2021 #12
You might want to reconsider that... tanyev Sep 2021 #13
Wow! Thanks for the info Nictuku Sep 2021 #19
Wow, equal parts of peroxide and vinegar. tanyev Sep 2021 #22
Mixing in the same bottle is the big issue. Lancero Sep 2021 #30
My mom gargles with hydrogen peroxide, always has Maeve Sep 2021 #5
It is a good anti-septic for sure. Caliman73 Sep 2021 #10
WTF? . .... Lovie777 Sep 2021 #6
No. H2O2 breaks down quickly into H2O and O2 berni_mccoy Sep 2021 #8
I brush my teeth with it twice a day to remove stains per my dentist CTyankee Sep 2021 #9
I use it in my Waterpik róisín_dubh Sep 2021 #16
Depends, Bernie ProfessorGAC Sep 2021 #11
IIRC, this is a re-tread of something that was around early on in the pandemic, isn't it? RockRaven Sep 2021 #14
how do you inhale peroxide stillcool Sep 2021 #15
I think they're boiling it jmowreader Sep 2021 #24
I think they're boiling it jmowreader Sep 2021 #25
I had to go and look up 500CK stillcool Sep 2021 #29
It's a homeopathic term jmowreader Sep 2021 #31
ah...no wonder I spent stillcool Sep 2021 #34
they are nebulizing it.... a fine mist they inhale.... getagrip_already Sep 2021 #26
Oh good. I had a hospice patient once who offed himself unintentionally by drinking H2O2 Maru Kitteh Sep 2021 #17
Just a minute for clarity...? .....ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HOUSEHOLD BLEACH??? (JUST ASKING) Stuart G Sep 2021 #20
Hydrogen peroxide isn't the same as bleach. Ocelot II Sep 2021 #23
Stuart, no one ever suggested using household bleach for COVID jmowreader Sep 2021 #32
I heard drinking pig urine... lame54 Sep 2021 #27
Maybe the can add Drano. kairos12 Sep 2021 #28
Hydrogen Peroxide Toxicological Overview struggle4progress Sep 2021 #33

calguy

(5,306 posts)
7. Now I'm going to have to Google those two ingredients to see what clever concoction you've dreamt up
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 04:54 PM
Sep 2021

Chainfire

(17,536 posts)
2. Well, they say blondes do have more fun. Survival of the fittest indeed.
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 04:42 PM
Sep 2021

Perhaps I can sell the some distilled Di-hydrogen monoxide for about $100.00 a gram. It will work just as good and I can get rich!

Nictuku

(3,609 posts)
12. I think that is what I use
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 05:47 PM
Sep 2021

I think that is what I use when I have to de-skunk the dog. Add a little bit of soap, Vinegar, and Hydrogen Peroxide, and a lot of water. It helps, but nothing can really get rid of skunk smell.

tanyev

(42,554 posts)
13. You might want to reconsider that...
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 05:54 PM
Sep 2021
Do NOT mix vinegar with hydrogen peroxide.

3. Don’t mix it with vinegar.

Mixing hydrogen peroxide with vinegar creates peracetic acid, a corrosive acid that can harm the skin, eyes, nose, throat, and lungs. While it’s okay to use the two in succession on a surface, don’t ever mix hydrogen peroxide and vinegar in the same bottle.

https://www.thekitchn.com/hydrogen-peroxide-things-to-avoid-23003917

Nictuku

(3,609 posts)
19. Wow! Thanks for the info
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 06:15 PM
Sep 2021

I just googled it again to see if I got it wrong, and there are recipes that include the 2 all over the place.

Create a skunk-odor remover

Vet Info suggests using a kitchen-sink-style recipe for dog cleanser that combines 1-quart hydrogen peroxide, 1/4 cup baking soda, 1-quart apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons Dawn, 1/2 cup powdered OxyClean and 1-quart warm water. Apply with a sponge onto the dog's fur, avoiding her eyes. Leave the mixture on your dog's fur for 5-to-10 minutes and then rinse thoroughly. If your dog is inadvertently sprayed by the skunk vinegar solution in the eyes, flush her eyes with clean water.

It might seem like a lot, but with this blend of products known for their effectiveness on skunk odor, you can be reasonably certain the skunk smell will be gone in no time. It's worth noting that this mixture may irritate dogs with sensitive skin and the hydrogen peroxide may bleach dark fur, so always check with your vet before applying a homemade skunk odor remover. Also, since the recipe does not indicate coverage, you might need to make two or more batches for large pups.

tanyev

(42,554 posts)
22. Wow, equal parts of peroxide and vinegar.
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 06:25 PM
Sep 2021

Maybe someone with more knowledge of chemistry will chime in. All I know is there were lots of hits on the internet saying not to do it.

Lancero

(3,003 posts)
30. Mixing in the same bottle is the big issue.
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 09:01 PM
Sep 2021

You generally don't want a active reaction occurring in what is, presumably, a sealed container.

Maeve

(42,282 posts)
5. My mom gargles with hydrogen peroxide, always has
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 04:49 PM
Sep 2021

Particularly when she has a sore in her mouth (cheapest mouthwash you'll find)

But against Covid? Sheesh...anything rather than science!

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
10. It is a good anti-septic for sure.
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 05:09 PM
Sep 2021

It is used as a cleanser when chlorine is not recommended.

You are right however, just because it is good for certain uses, does not mean it is effective with everything.

Aspirin is good for headaches. For cancer? Not effective.

 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
8. No. H2O2 breaks down quickly into H2O and O2
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 04:58 PM
Sep 2021

It’s pretty safe but I don’t recommend consuming it.

I drank a bottle when I was a kid. It affects your 💩

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
9. I brush my teeth with it twice a day to remove stains per my dentist
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 05:06 PM
Sep 2021

I rinse and then brush with regular toothpaste. My teeth aren't brighter but major stains are gone.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
11. Depends, Bernie
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 05:37 PM
Sep 2021

The kinetics of decomposition of peroxide are concentration dependent.
And, it's actually pretty stable.
I've seen minibulk (2,000#) containers of 50% hydrogen peroxide (about 20x the strength of drugstore peroxide) that sat outdoors for 18 months test at 48%.
The low concentration stuff is stable for a LONG time (meaning a decade or more).
It's also stable in low pH environments, like our stomach acid. That said the protease in our system does catalyze the breakdown.
But, you're 100% right that it just breaks down to water & molecular oxygen.
The concern with ingestion of copious amounts is the release of singlet oxygen, which is a free radical in some conditions, and a free radical initiator in most.
I got some 70% under a fingernail once. BURNS!!!!!!!

RockRaven

(14,966 posts)
14. IIRC, this is a re-tread of something that was around early on in the pandemic, isn't it?
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 05:56 PM
Sep 2021

I swear I recall talk of people nebulizing H2O2 way back in the spring of 2020... They weren't antivaxxers per se back then because there weren't any vaccines available at the time.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
24. I think they're boiling it
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 07:05 PM
Sep 2021

The cool thing about boiling hydrogen peroxide: because this is not the most stable molecule in existence, that second oxygen atom dissociates from the molecule and you’re left inhaling steam. So, it’s the safest quack remedy advanced so far.

This means the bullshit remedy won’t kill you faster than the disease, leaving the disease to kill you on its own.

I am seriously bumming that the homeopaths haven’t been out in full force on this one. It seems like a nice 500CK male bovine excrement capsule would be just what the quack ordered.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
25. I think they're boiling it
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 07:05 PM
Sep 2021

The cool thing about boiling hydrogen peroxide: because this is not the most stable molecule in existence, that second oxygen atom dissociates from the molecule and you’re left inhaling steam. So, it’s the safest quack remedy advanced so far.

This means the bullshit remedy won’t kill you faster than the disease, leaving the disease to kill you on its own.

I am seriously bumming that the homeopaths haven’t been out in full force on this one. It seems like a nice 500CK male bovine excrement capsule would be just what the quack ordered.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
29. I had to go and look up 500CK
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 08:44 PM
Sep 2021

ugh...my poor brain. Prague, China, blood, bus routes. Could you please tell me what that is, put me out of my misery?

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
31. It's a homeopathic term
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:01 PM
Sep 2021

The C means Centisimal dilution, the standard for most preparations. This means that one part of the substance they’re fixin’ to dilute out of existence is mixed with 100 parts of the solvent. In the case of our preparation, 10 grams of bull excrement (don’t laugh; one of the homeopathic supply companies does a remedy starting with dog manure, and they’re very specific about the dog it was produced by) is mixed with a liter of water.

There’s also a D scale (1 part substance to 10 parts solvent) and a Q scale (1 part substance to 50,000 parts solvent).

The number is the number of times they dilute it. If you had a 10C remedy, this means they mixed the herb or deadly toxin or whatever they are using with water, beat it on the table a prescribed number of times - this is Succussion, and one of the homeopathic firms built a machine that duplicates the founder’s arm so everything will be succussed the way he did it - measure out one-hundredth of that mixture, add it to one hundred parts water, and keep going until you did it ten times.

The K stands for Korsakovian dilution. Measuring out an exact quantity of something over and over gets tedious, so a Russian sociopath named Korsakov decided that surface tension makes one percent of the liquid in the container stick to the sides. Hence, the process for Korsakovian dilution - what most modern psychopaths use these days - is to succuss a batch of remedy, dump out the container and fill it back up with water.

Which leads to the next question: if water has memory, which is how homeopathy is claimed to work, why does it only remember when it contained arnica and not the times it was part of urine, cooling water in a tugboat, Coca-Cola, beer, whiskey, machine tool cooling fluid, dish washing water or any of the thousands of other things water can be?

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
34. ah...no wonder I spent
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 11:06 PM
Sep 2021

so much time with google. I'll have to re-read your post a few times before it starts to compute. Thank you!

getagrip_already

(14,743 posts)
26. they are nebulizing it.... a fine mist they inhale....
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 08:00 PM
Sep 2021

according to one report I saw.

This could actually be dangerous. If it hits the lungs in a high enough concentration it will cause foaming - which would kinda be not good.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
17. Oh good. I had a hospice patient once who offed himself unintentionally by drinking H2O2
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 06:11 PM
Sep 2021

He was driving for 12+ hours or so pounding coffee, got an upset stomach and called his brother who suggested H2O2. Turned himself into a human volcano. He never woke up again but his body hung on for about 6 or 7 days.

So - by all means, anti-vaxxers. GO FOR IT. Make sure you get the really good stuff too, the 10%.





Ocelot II

(115,686 posts)
23. Hydrogen peroxide isn't the same as bleach.
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 06:52 PM
Sep 2021

Hydrogen peroxide is H2O2, bleach is sodium hypochlorite, NaOCl or NaClO. Shouldn't drink either thing, though.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
32. Stuart, no one ever suggested using household bleach for COVID
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:09 PM
Sep 2021

No sir. They’re not fucking around here. You’re supposed to use INDUSTRIAL chlorine dioxide to kill off the ‘rona. They call it Miracle Mineral Solution.

SciBabe Yvette d’Entremont discussed the use of this product in the treatment of autism. The protocol is to brew up a batch and give your kid an enema with it, which causes the child to extrude from his ass what the MMS fans call rope worms and everyone else calls intestinal linings. The MMS idiots claim this causes immediate improvement in autism symptoms. Yvette believes the kid begins to behave better so he doesn’t get another bleach enema.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
33. Hydrogen Peroxide Toxicological Overview
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 10:53 PM
Sep 2021

... The main toxic effect of exposure to hydrogen peroxide is irritation at the site of contact

Acute inhalation of hydrogen peroxide causes irritation to the nose, throat and respiratory tract. In very severe cases bronchitis or pulmonary oedema may occur, which can potentially be fatal ...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/337708/Hydrogen_Peroxide_Toxicological_Overview_phe_v1.pdf

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