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America's Not the Greatest Country In the World Anymore - The Newsroom (Original Post) ItsjustMe Sep 2021 OP
Loved that show Pas-de-Calais Sep 2021 #1
Forty years of divergence from what we could have been. Aristus Sep 2021 #2
Define Greatness. WarGamer Sep 2021 #3
OK. Begin. LanternWaste Sep 2021 #6
This is tough. WarGamer Sep 2021 #7
+1 Celerity Sep 2021 #13
Christ I thought we had moved past these. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #4
The Korean war was just as bad as Vietnam Bucky Sep 2021 #10
The Newsroom is about the same show as the old Lou Grant show. I'm watching all those again brewens Sep 2021 #5
During TFG term when I went to Europe I was embarrassed to admit I was an American kimbutgar Sep 2021 #8
That was a great series LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #9
The fall from greatness isn't done yet. roamer65 Sep 2021 #11
No that is Denmark obviously NT cinematicdiversions Sep 2021 #12
nej Celerity Sep 2021 #14
After decades of living and traveling outside the USA, here's when there is no hope left: DFW Sep 2021 #15

Aristus

(66,344 posts)
2. Forty years of divergence from what we could have been.
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 05:35 PM
Sep 2021

Starting with Jimmy Carter's second term as President, and what we got, which was Ronald Reagan's toxic brand of burn-it-all-down Republicanism.

We've been a problematic country since Day One, founded as we were by a bunch of syphilitic slave owners. But we made a great deal of progress. Then Reagan oiled his way into the White House with his Morning In America Tinsel Town bullshit, and it's been mostly downhill since then.

WarGamer

(12,440 posts)
7. This is tough.
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 06:06 PM
Sep 2021

Is Greatness "power"?

If yes... the USA is certainly the most powerful nation on Earth.

Is Greatness "wealth"?

If yes... the USA is certainly the richest nation on Earth.

Is Greatness "compassion and care of her citizens"?

Then certainly NO.

Health of Democracy? No. Stable? No. Healthcare equality? No. Poverty? No.



The person who defines the word controls the answer.

Bucky

(54,005 posts)
10. The Korean war was just as bad as Vietnam
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 02:20 AM
Sep 2021

Hold on, I need to google round to find some clips from MASH and then I'll prove it

brewens

(13,583 posts)
5. The Newsroom is about the same show as the old Lou Grant show. I'm watching all those again
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 05:56 PM
Sep 2021

on Youtube and really enjoying it. I was a journalism kid in high school back when it aired and we loved it. All The Presidents Men too. Woodward and Bernstein were gods to us!

The Newsroom even has the manager named Charlie that has to go deal with the boss lady.

kimbutgar

(21,141 posts)
8. During TFG term when I went to Europe I was embarrassed to admit I was an American
Wed Sep 22, 2021, 07:05 PM
Sep 2021

And I made it a point to tell people I met that I was not a TFG supporter. I would hear from people how could you have elected Such a great man In President Obama and then elect such a jerk? I told them voter suppression and Russian help. Which they agreed probably happen.

I hate that Lee Greenwood song Proud to be an American because it makes me cringe with embarrassment. We have become a nation of a 1/3 of the population being idiots.

DFW

(54,378 posts)
15. After decades of living and traveling outside the USA, here's when there is no hope left:
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 04:34 AM
Sep 2021

There is no hope left when an outsider hears no criticism from within. I live in Europe and speak nine European languages. I don't get these impressions second hand.

The fiercest critics of France are the French, themselves. The loudest critics of Denmark are the Danes. By the same token, no matter how loud (or accurate) criticism of the USA may get, the moment to worry is when (like the fictional McAvoy points out) a country ceases to realize that they have problems. As long as our loudest, most informed critics are from within, there will be hope for us to improve. When those voices are silenced, THEN worry. When Fox "News" and National Hate Radio tell you that Jesus will watch over our Christian paradise as long as "commies, libbruls and towelheads" are kept at bay by a citizenry armed to the teeth, the time to be frightened is when a majority of the people believes them, and it becomes dangerous to say they are full of shit.

When Germany was divided, the West was consumed with self-doubt. The East spewed out propaganda that it was a wonderful socialist paradise--so great, in fact, that they had to build the famous "death strip" to keep its immensely satisfied citizens inside. It would (and did) shoot them if they tried to cross a western border without a sheaf of government documents permitting it. Their state-run media, mirroring that of its Soviet colonial masters, only told them how fortunate they were to be living on THEIR side of the wall. They even confiscated the newspapers of visitors from the West so that no information not blessed by them got through. Western radio and TV couldn't be prevented, but almost no one there prior to 1989 had any device that could record media broadcasts.

As long as voices from the most enlightened Texas companies all the way up to the White House will raise their voices in horrified protest against what a Taliban-like Texas state legislature imposes on the citizens of Texas, there is hope for Texas. We didn't ask California to secede when Reagan was governor. Until there is no longer any dissent of out Texas, we shouldn't give up on Texas, either.

Indeed--you can't start solving a problem until you realize there is one. As long as we realize there are problems, and are allowed to say so publicly, there is hope we can solve them. The country that crows loudest that it is the greatest is the one deserving of the most skepticism. If it were true, why would it NEED to insist so loudly?

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