Biden Will Get it Done- Both Bills Will Pass

[Beetwasher.]

There will be compromise, people will gripe, but it will get done, IMO.

However, if it doesn't, then it's because Manchin and Sinema were never on the level to begin with and not operating in good faith at all. Ever.

I believe Manchin will come around, ultimately, he always deals.

Sinema is a wildcard, because she doesn't have Manchin's track record. I think she's just completely loony and has some otherworldly agenda and she may be a pawn in someone else's game who wants to destroy Biden's Presidency. I hope that's not the case and it's really just some weird, narcissistic agenda, and a complete inability to read the room, because ultimately that will mean she can be made to see it's in her own best interest to deal with Biden.

[Lovie777]

1. Corporate media . ....

Democrats are in disarray.

[redstatebluegirl]

2. We need to find someone to primary Sinema now

Even though it is a long way off a strong primary candidate might make her come around. I hear she is saying she may become an independent.

Someone needs to have a coming to Jesus meeting with her showing her how much money the party will put behind our candidate to beat her. Sadly if she goes indy we are handing that seat to the GOP.

I still want her frightened about losing her seat. She should also lose her committee assignments if she will not follow the party on important issues like these.

[Elessar Zappa]

4. She should definitely

be primaried if she torpedoes Biden’s agenda. Arizona is a purple state trending blue, so a more mainstream Democrat can definitely win there.

[grantcart]

16. A significant primary challenger will not come forward IMO

[Celerity]

25. she either is defeated in the primary or she will be defeated in the general (unless the Rethugs run

a 'rat in a tin shithouse' level of cray QMAGAt in 2024)



A 'normal' Rethug quotidian asshole like Ducey will wipe her out.

[grantcart]

26. Two pounts

1)There have been ZERO statewide Democratic primary contests in recent years for a single reason: The nominee that appears to be best situated to win in the general election has gotten an early endorsement from Gabby Giffords and all discussion stops.

This has resulted in not going thru a divided primary and winning two Senate seats by razor thin margins, and losing Gov, AG, etc.

I believe that Giffords has been orchestrating this for some time behind the scenes. You cannot underestimate the power she has on the Democratic Party in AZ.

2) The one known factor is that the Republicans will be running a nut job for the Senate and there will be a bloody primary.

All of the mainstream Republicans, like Ducey, have been targeted by Trump and cannot win the primary. They also are damaged because they didn't go strict enough on Covid protocols but antagonized the Looney by promoting vaccines.

The most likely primary challenger would be my Congressman Gallegos and he would not attempt without a clear Gabby endorsement and I don't see that happening.

Sinema, whose campaign I worked on and who I dislike, understands that the Arizona electorate likes candidates who piss off their own party. The question isn't just why is Sinema so obstructionist to the Dems but why hasn't said anything out loud in support of Pelosi/Schumer/Biden? It doesn't wear well in AZ and they want to win. BTW Kelly is up for reelection next not Sinema Democratic

[Celerity]

27. I said 2024, I track the Senate very closely

BTW Kelly is up for reelection next not Sinema Democratic

Manchin is up in 2024 too, which makes those two's obstructionism even more galling, as they are both still over 3 years away from facing the voters, yet are (atm) shitting all over our 2022 hopes.

[grantcart]

28. You missed the point entirely

Kelly who was just elected faces immediate re election and we will have a 100% united Democratic party versus a full blown well financed Republican civil war and GE.

If we win another 3% victory there will be no interest in a primary test of Sinema. I would vote fore anyone against Sinema in a primary but it is highly unlikely, especially with so many statewide offices open.

[Celerity]

30. I predict you'll likely be wrong, especially if Sinema doesn't pretty much across the board cave in

on a large number of issues. If she and Machin (or just her) really cock us up in 2022 via her actions between now and those mid-terms, she is toast.

[grantcart]

29. You missed the point entirely

Kelly who was just elected faces immediate re election and we will have a 100% united Democratic party versus a full blown well financed Republican civil war and GE.

If we win another 3% victory there will be no interest in a primary test of Sinema. I would vote fore anyone against Sinema in a primary but it is highly unlikely, especially with so many statewide offices open.

[Midnight Writer]

3. If it doesn't get done, it is because Republicans will not put their country over their party.

Where are the patriots on the other side of the aisle?

This infrastructure package is no more expensive then what they were rooting for a year ago.

They want the country to fail so they can step in and pick up the pieces.

[lagomorph777]

7. Patriots on the other side of the aisle are dead or retired.

[TxGuitar]

11. Patriots on the other side of the aisle!?

The last one was Ike.

[lagomorph777]

12. Pretty much.

Although, I'd say, even Nixon was more of a patriot than any of today's Reptilians.

[Hotler]

5. Anything will pass if you chop it up till it looks like a repug bill.

But hey, we can call it a bipartisan win.

[StarfishSaver]

8. What alternative do you suggest?

[lagomorph777]

13. I don't think so.

No Reptilian will vote for it, no matter how you slice it.

Manchin and Sinema don't seem to care what's in the bill, as long as they get some personal gain from it. I say bribe them, Kompromat them, whatever it takes to get the job done. Make them irrelevant down the road by taking bigger margins in Congress.

[gab13by13]

19. They both are already "bribed?"

Manchin is the #1 receiver of fossil fuel money and Big Pharma has doled out $750,000.00 to Sinema.

[lagomorph777]

31. Yeah, that calls for a pretty high bid. :-(

Or just go to the Kompromat.

[lagomorph777]

6. I hope you're correct.

Next, we need to fix voting rights.

We can't use reconciliation and debt ceiling pressure.

We'll probably have to go to Kompromat for the recalcitrants.

[Chainfire]

14. Oh, make no mistake, voting rights are being "fixed."

[JohnSJ]

9. Thank-you

[Wednesdays]

10. Boy, you're flying in the face of this:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016302465

[samnsara]

15. Joe gets things done..maybe not as quickly nor as neatly as some peeps want but...

..hes always got the results in mind and thats his goal. Remember reading the Family Circus when Billys mom asked him why it took so long to come home from school and his mind is remembering every single exciting, distracting adventure he had between school and home..but his goal was always to go home. Joes the same way..I trust him.

[Johnny2X2X]

17. This is a big deal, but...

People saying this is all or nothing are missing the point, it's not all or nothing. It's good to put that pressure on, but even if the big bill doesn't pass now, large parts of it could pass next year.

[gab13by13]

22. Nothing gets passed in an election year.

[Joinfortmill]

18. I agree. I hope Biden can talk her into going along.

[Jon King]

20. Independent voters are playing with fire by turning on Biden.

Of course it is early, of course things will likely change. But the latest Harvard-Harris poll conducted a few days ago showed Biden's support among independents dropped from 61% to 39%. When Trump was included in the poll, 48% of total voters aprroved of Trump and 46% Biden.

These people are absolutely playing with fire. This is not the old days of vote a Repug in, they mess up, and Clinton, Obama, Biden comes to save the day.

This is mess this up, give the Repugs Congress in 2022 and Repug President in 2024, whether Trump or his surrogate....and its over. The American experiment is over. China will continue to educate its kids and dominate high tech while America circles the drain of culture wars and minority rule.

Whether its the media like CNN, or Dem congresspeople trying to make their name.....this is not the old days. Mess this up, continue to weaken Biden, and its game over.

[IronLionZion]

21. Who is Sinema pandering to?

Are her constituents asking her to be like this or some wealthy donors?

[gab13by13]

23. Politicians make big money.

Yesterday I saw that Big Pharma has given Sinema $750,000.00. She used to support lower drug prices but not anymore.

[NoMoreRepugs]

24. D's and R's operate by a different set of rules. D's for the people - R's for the uber-rich and

corporations. Which group hs more power over the legislators??

[Treefrog]

32. Sure hoping.

A lot riding on this.