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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhite House leans toward release of Trump Jan. 6 information.
And Trump will scream like a baby! Do it.
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NoMoreRepugs
(9,374 posts)bluewater
(5,376 posts)onetexan
(13,024 posts)gab13by13
(21,264 posts)he would just do it. This seems more likely aimed at Trump.
albacore
(2,398 posts)We must not use unfair advantage and smear that good man's name.
trump has suffered enough. Democrats are above all those ugly political attacks."
Fuck him... release the info... and the Kraken...and whatever else we have.
FakeNoose
(32,599 posts)... about Obama's administration? Just to be considerate and avoid embarrassment?
Ummmmm, not bloody likely!
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Wake me when they get around to it.
CanonRay
(14,088 posts)don't waste a second agonizing over this shithead.
Walleye
(30,984 posts)NQAS
(10,749 posts)Given the seeming lack of progress, Im going to put the likelihood of release at 15-1. Definitely not a sure thing. And if released, it will generate a big yawn.
Im not feeling particularly hopeful these days.
malaise
(268,724 posts)RFN!
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Darn, after all these years I find Englebert is lip synching.
malaise
(268,724 posts)True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Bayard
(22,011 posts)monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(144,945 posts)Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)True Blue American
(17,981 posts)Not releasing it.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)And we ain't seen nuttin' yet.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)But the "leaning towards" language coming from the White House comes off to me as, "Well, if we have to..."
Yes. You must.
Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)Unlike folks critiquing them from the sidelines, who see these things only through our own narrow and limited perspectives, the Biden administration must weigh numerous factors before making decisions. I included in these are whether the actions they're taking are legal and considering and weighing and balancing all manner of impacts on other actions and priorities (for example, whether and how much disclosure at this time could undermine or interfere with any criminal investigations or prosecutions).
These decisions may seem very cut and dried to those of us on the outside looking in who don't know all of the facts and circumstances and aren't responsible for all of the consequences.
Unlike some people here, I trust President Biden and the administration we voted to put into place to make the right decisions based on a thoughtful determination of what is best for the country and I'm glad they aren't making rash decisions based solely on public demands for retribution and immediate gratification.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)The White House shouldn't talk about the matter in the language that was used. "No comment" is more prudent, per your argument, than the response provided earlier.
I'll still assert information pertaining to 1/6 must be made public, as much as possible. Now is not the time to be afraid of hurting the opposition's feelings. They tried to do what Osama bin Laden could only hope for on 9/11.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)and accused of doing nothing.
No matter what they do, some people are going to complain.
I agree that as much information as possible should be released - but it doesn't need to all be released right now, especially if releasing it could make it harder to conduct the investigation and get convictions.
There is nothing about January 6th that will make a difference if I know it today instead of at some point in the near future. I think that applies to everyone who is demanding information right now - they want their curiosity satisfied, but knowing that information right now won't make any difference in anyone's life.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)But I like that reply better, as said earlier.
Here's my take on your last paragraph: You say people want their curiosity satisfied, and I am quite sure you've described a number of folks. I, and probably many others, want the information out because we're concerned (though not Susan Collins concerned) that the events of January 6 are going to be minimized or slow-walked by Democrats, and that could enable the GOP, the Trump cabal, and their foot soldiers to get away with one of the highest crimes ever committed by Americans against their own government.
I want the general public, those not political junkies like us, to realize just how close we were and could still be to losing it all. But if that information is released, and it doesn't make some kind of difference in the lives of ordinary people, I think we as a party and nation have a much bigger problem on our hands than we currently realize. I fear, with regard to your last paragraph, you may be right.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But I Don't want any information to come out right now that could jeopardize the investigation or prosecution.
And, frankly putting more information out right now is not going to change the general public's view. There's already plenty of information out and I doubt more is going to shift public opinion much one way or the other. At this point, it's more important to me that investigations and prosecutions occur.
Efilroft Sul
(3,578 posts)wnylib
(21,346 posts)BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Release it already!
Grammy23
(5,810 posts)Is if it makes him look bad. Guilty. Treasonous. Otherwise hed be happy to release it, would have already done so himself.
So release the hounds. I want to hear him squeal like a stuck pig.
True Blue American
(17,981 posts)That could make Trump Anchises mob look worse. We know what they did.
Evolve Dammit
(16,702 posts)Scottie Mom
(5,812 posts)Please!!!!
kacekwl
(7,014 posts)Is the Democratic party going to realize it's time to move forward on what democrats want what the majority wants and leave nothing but scorched earth behind. I've been waiting for decades.
Hekate
(90,565 posts)Go Joe!
dalton99a
(81,406 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,318 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Thanks
Kingofalldems
(38,425 posts)Tommymac
(7,263 posts)Thanks!
Maeve
(42,271 posts)Trump has said he will cite executive privilege to block information requests from the House select committee investigating the events of that day, banking on a legal theory that has successfully allowed presidents and their aides to avoid or delay congressional scrutiny for decades, including during the Trump administration.
But President Bidens White House plans to err on the side of disclosure given the gravity of the events of Jan. 6, according to two people familiar with discussions who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private discussions.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-executive-privilege-subpoenas/2021/09/23/1c163312-1ba7-11ec-8380-5fbadbc43ef8_story.html
Tommymac
(7,263 posts)WarGamer
(12,373 posts)spanone
(135,795 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)But President Joe Bidens White House plans to err on the side of disclosure given the gravity of the events of Jan. 6, according to two people familiar with discussions who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private discussions.
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Members of the investigative committee argue that Trump no longer enjoys the protection of executive privilege, encouraging the White House to push aside institutional concerns about sharing information with Congress and aid the panel in an investigation focused on what Democrats and a handful of Republicans have called an assault on democracy.
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A former federal judge who worked on executive privilege issues in the Ronald Reagan White House and the George H.W. Bush Justice Department pointed out that privilege requests do not typically attempt to shield information about potential wrongdoing.
Where's the "it could undermine the investigation"? You'd think that in a long report about the investigation requesting this information, they'd write something about how it "could undermine the investigation" if that were true, wouldn't you?
Which prosecutions do you think this would undermine?
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)disclosing (explicitly or implicitly) sources and methods, alerting targets of the direction of the investigation, etc.
There's a reason prosecutors don't conduct investigations in public.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)to the Congressional investigations. The OP is not about releasing it to the public; it's about releasing it to Congress.
triron
(21,984 posts)btw I am tacitly agreeing with you.
spanone
(135,795 posts)Champp
(2,114 posts)ecstatic
(32,653 posts)Kid Berwyn
(14,808 posts)Shine a light on these nazi cockroaches and they crap, run and hide.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)Sorry for the fowl language but I'm so fucking tired of Trump and anything that might get to him should be done. He is a cancer in our country.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)as well.
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If Willis is able to gain access to information from congressional committees, it could provide a mountain of documents relevant to her investigation and possibly help her avoid lengthy court fights if she were to seek similar information on her own.
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The select committee investigating January 6 has already asked the National Archives for a range of documents, including any records of White House communications with Georgia officials such as Raffensperger, Kemp and Frances Watson, the Secretary of State investigator whom Trump phoned, from Election Day through January 20, 2021. The document request also covers communications with Trump's former chief of staff Mark Meadows, Giuliani and other attorneys who participated in Trump's call to Raffensperger.
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The congressional committees are likely to get information that's "extremely relevant" to Willis's investigation and staff-level conversations have already begun between the district attorney's office and congressional committees, a person familiar with the matter said.
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/17/politics/georgia-probe-trump-election/index.html