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White House leans toward release of Trump Jan. 6 information. (Original Post) Kingofalldems Sep 2021 OP
re-lease re-lease re-lease........ NoMoreRepugs Sep 2021 #1
Do it! bluewater Sep 2021 #2
Ditto!! As Nike says, just do it. onetexan Sep 2021 #21
If he was going to release it gab13by13 Sep 2021 #3
"No...no... we mustn't put that information out to the public.... albacore Sep 2021 #4
I'm trying to remember ... was there ANYTHING that Chump held back FakeNoose Sep 2021 #5
OMG ! .... "White House leans toward release ..." left-of-center2012 Sep 2021 #6
Just f-ing do it already CanonRay Sep 2021 #7
The problem is it doesn't matter what kind of crimes are exposed, GOP will stick with him Walleye Sep 2021 #8
Anyone wanna take bets? NQAS Sep 2021 #9
Release all of it malaise Sep 2021 #10
Release Me True Blue American Sep 2021 #30
I just knew someone would post that malaise Sep 2021 #34
And it had to be me! True Blue American Sep 2021 #36
Sounds like a best seller to me! Bayard Sep 2021 #11
people are tired of these cat & mouse game's! monkeyman1 Sep 2021 #12
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Sep 2021 #13
Yeah baby! Kingofalldems Sep 2021 #14
Giving it to the Committee True Blue American Sep 2021 #31
Apart from social media, has this been announced by *actual* media? Or the White House? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2021 #52
The Democrats' half-hearted approach to opposing the Republicans only enables them to do worse. Efilroft Sul Sep 2021 #15
You think President Biden is "half-hearted"? StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #16
I think several members of our Congressional delegation are. Efilroft Sul Sep 2021 #18
Post #13 Kingofalldems Sep 2021 #22
I like your optimism. Wish I had it. Efilroft Sul Sep 2021 #28
You don't know if they "must" StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #37
I get your reasoning, even agree with your point, but... Efilroft Sul Sep 2021 #42
And when they say "No Comment" they get blasted for not saying anything StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #43
You're probably right about people blasting the White House for "no comment." Efilroft Sul Sep 2021 #45
I want the information out, too StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #46
When this all bears out, I hope you and KingofAllDems are right, and I was wrong. Efilroft Sul Sep 2021 #53
+1000. wnylib Sep 2021 #56
What are they waiting for? BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #17
The only reason that Asshat would not want the information released Grammy23 Sep 2021 #19
There is nothing True Blue American Sep 2021 #33
Testing the waters? RELEASE it. And the un-redacted Mueller report please??? Evolve Dammit Sep 2021 #20
Do it! Do it! Do it! Do it! Scottie Mom Sep 2021 #23
The time is now. Better yet yesterday. When kacekwl Sep 2021 #24
Just do it! Hekate Sep 2021 #25
Just Do It. dalton99a Sep 2021 #26
the sooner we get to the truth, the better off we are. bottomofthehill Sep 2021 #27
Paywall. Other sources please or post excerpts that mean something. Tommymac Sep 2021 #29
See if this works pal-o-mine: Kingofalldems Sep 2021 #32
Awesome. Tommymac Sep 2021 #39
A few paragraphs from WashPost Maeve Sep 2021 #35
Very cool. Thank You!! nt Tommymac Sep 2021 #40
I've read that is "should" survive the Court challenge, too... WarGamer Sep 2021 #38
why WOULDN'T they release it? spanone Sep 2021 #41
Among other things, it could undermine the investigation and jeopardize prosecutions StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #47
Releasing the information the investigation has requested could undermine it? muriel_volestrangler Sep 2021 #51
Releasing records to Congress could jeopardize the criminal investigation StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #55
How? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Sep 2021 #58
By, among other things, revealing information being pursued and against whom it's being pursued StarfishSaver Sep 2021 #59
See #54. The Georgia criminal investigation should benefit if this information is released muriel_volestrangler Sep 2021 #61
This makes no sense:"err on the side of disclosure" . How is that possible? triron Sep 2021 #57
Well if they're 'leaning' towards doing it, they must have considered the investigation spanone Sep 2021 #60
Republican traitors must be exposed Champp Sep 2021 #44
why is this even a question? ecstatic Sep 2021 #48
Certainly help puts an end to fascist dictatorship. Kid Berwyn Sep 2021 #49
Please fucking do it! jimlup Sep 2021 #50
The Georgia investigation into criminal activity by Trump to steal the election could do with it all muriel_volestrangler Sep 2021 #54

albacore

(2,398 posts)
4. "No...no... we mustn't put that information out to the public....
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 02:20 PM
Sep 2021

We must not use unfair advantage and smear that good man's name.
trump has suffered enough. Democrats are above all those ugly political attacks."

Fuck him... release the info... and the Kraken...and whatever else we have.

FakeNoose

(32,599 posts)
5. I'm trying to remember ... was there ANYTHING that Chump held back
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 02:51 PM
Sep 2021

... about Obama's administration? Just to be considerate and avoid embarrassment?

Ummmmm, not bloody likely!

NQAS

(10,749 posts)
9. Anyone wanna take bets?
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 03:33 PM
Sep 2021

Given the seeming lack of progress, I’m going to put the likelihood of release at 15-1. Definitely not a sure thing. And if released, it will generate a big yawn.

Im not feeling particularly hopeful these days.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
15. The Democrats' half-hearted approach to opposing the Republicans only enables them to do worse.
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 03:59 PM
Sep 2021

And we ain't seen nuttin' yet.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
18. I think several members of our Congressional delegation are.
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 04:10 PM
Sep 2021

But the "leaning towards" language coming from the White House comes off to me as, "Well, if we have to..."

Yes. You must.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
37. You don't know if they "must"
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 04:49 PM
Sep 2021

Unlike folks critiquing them from the sidelines, who see these things only through our own narrow and limited perspectives, the Biden administration must weigh numerous factors before making decisions. I included in these are whether the actions they're taking are legal and considering and weighing and balancing all manner of impacts on other actions and priorities (for example, whether and how much disclosure at this time could undermine or interfere with any criminal investigations or prosecutions).

These decisions may seem very cut and dried to those of us on the outside looking in who don't know all of the facts and circumstances and aren't responsible for all of the consequences.

Unlike some people here, I trust President Biden and the administration we voted to put into place to make the right decisions based on a thoughtful determination of what is best for the country and I'm glad they aren't making rash decisions based solely on public demands for retribution and immediate gratification.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
42. I get your reasoning, even agree with your point, but...
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 05:10 PM
Sep 2021

The White House shouldn't talk about the matter in the language that was used. "No comment" is more prudent, per your argument, than the response provided earlier.

I'll still assert information pertaining to 1/6 must be made public, as much as possible. Now is not the time to be afraid of hurting the opposition's feelings. They tried to do what Osama bin Laden could only hope for on 9/11.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
43. And when they say "No Comment" they get blasted for not saying anything
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 05:15 PM
Sep 2021

and accused of doing nothing.

No matter what they do, some people are going to complain.

I agree that as much information as possible should be released - but it doesn't need to all be released right now, especially if releasing it could make it harder to conduct the investigation and get convictions.

There is nothing about January 6th that will make a difference if I know it today instead of at some point in the near future. I think that applies to everyone who is demanding information right now - they want their curiosity satisfied, but knowing that information right now won't make any difference in anyone's life.

Efilroft Sul

(3,578 posts)
45. You're probably right about people blasting the White House for "no comment."
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 06:05 PM
Sep 2021

But I like that reply better, as said earlier.

Here's my take on your last paragraph: You say people want their curiosity satisfied, and I am quite sure you've described a number of folks. I, and probably many others, want the information out because we're concerned (though not Susan Collins concerned) that the events of January 6 are going to be minimized or slow-walked by Democrats, and that could enable the GOP, the Trump cabal, and their foot soldiers to get away with one of the highest crimes ever committed by Americans against their own government.

I want the general public, those not political junkies like us, to realize just how close we were — and could still be — to losing it all. But if that information is released, and it doesn't make some kind of difference in the lives of ordinary people, I think we as a party and nation have a much bigger problem on our hands than we currently realize. I fear, with regard to your last paragraph, you may be right.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
46. I want the information out, too
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 06:12 PM
Sep 2021

But I Don't want any information to come out right now that could jeopardize the investigation or prosecution.

And, frankly putting more information out right now is not going to change the general public's view. There's already plenty of information out and I doubt more is going to shift public opinion much one way or the other. At this point, it's more important to me that investigations and prosecutions occur.

Grammy23

(5,810 posts)
19. The only reason that Asshat would not want the information released
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 04:13 PM
Sep 2021

Is if it makes him look bad. Guilty. Treasonous. Otherwise he’d be happy to release it, would have already done so himself.

So release the hounds. I want to hear him squeal like a stuck pig.

kacekwl

(7,014 posts)
24. The time is now. Better yet yesterday. When
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 04:22 PM
Sep 2021

Is the Democratic party going to realize it's time to move forward on what democrats want what the majority wants and leave nothing but scorched earth behind. I've been waiting for decades.

Maeve

(42,271 posts)
35. A few paragraphs from WashPost
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 04:46 PM
Sep 2021
The White House is leaning toward releasing information to Congress about what Donald Trump and his aides were doing during the Jan. 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol despite the former president’s objections — a decision that could have significant political and legal ramifications.

Trump has said he will cite “executive privilege” to block information requests from the House select committee investigating the events of that day, banking on a legal theory that has successfully allowed presidents and their aides to avoid or delay congressional scrutiny for decades, including during the Trump administration.

But President Biden’s White House plans to err on the side of disclosure given the gravity of the events of Jan. 6, according to two people familiar with discussions who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private discussions.

“It’s not really relevant because there’s no president involved — there’s no such thing as a former president’s executive privilege,” said Rep. Jamie B. Raskin (D-Md.), a committee member who teaches constitutional law. “That’s extremely dilute and not really relevant.”



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-executive-privilege-subpoenas/2021/09/23/1c163312-1ba7-11ec-8380-5fbadbc43ef8_story.html

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
51. Releasing the information the investigation has requested could undermine it?
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 07:06 PM
Sep 2021
Trump has said he will cite “executive privilege” to block information requests from the House select committee investigating the events of that day, banking on a legal theory that has successfully allowed presidents and their aides to avoid or delay congressional scrutiny for decades, including during the Trump administration.

But President Joe Biden’s White House plans to err on the side of disclosure given the gravity of the events of Jan. 6, according to two people familiar with discussions who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the private discussions.
...
Members of the investigative committee argue that Trump no longer enjoys the protection of executive privilege, encouraging the White House to push aside institutional concerns about sharing information with Congress and aid the panel in an investigation focused on what Democrats and a handful of Republicans have called an assault on democracy.
...
A former federal judge who worked on executive privilege issues in the Ronald Reagan White House and the George H.W. Bush Justice Department pointed out that privilege requests do not typically attempt to shield information about potential wrongdoing.

Where's the "it could undermine the investigation"? You'd think that in a long report about the investigation requesting this information, they'd write something about how it "could undermine the investigation" if that were true, wouldn't you?

Which prosecutions do you think this would undermine?
 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
59. By, among other things, revealing information being pursued and against whom it's being pursued
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 07:36 AM
Sep 2021

disclosing (explicitly or implicitly) sources and methods, alerting targets of the direction of the investigation, etc.

There's a reason prosecutors don't conduct investigations in public.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
61. See #54. The Georgia criminal investigation should benefit if this information is released
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:49 AM
Sep 2021

to the Congressional investigations. The OP is not about releasing it to the public; it's about releasing it to Congress.

triron

(21,984 posts)
57. This makes no sense:"err on the side of disclosure" . How is that possible?
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 08:22 PM
Sep 2021

btw I am tacitly agreeing with you.

Kid Berwyn

(14,808 posts)
49. Certainly help puts an end to fascist dictatorship.
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 06:21 PM
Sep 2021

Shine a light on these nazi cockroaches and they crap, run and hide.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
50. Please fucking do it!
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 06:26 PM
Sep 2021

Sorry for the fowl language but I'm so fucking tired of Trump and anything that might get to him should be done. He is a cancer in our country.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
54. The Georgia investigation into criminal activity by Trump to steal the election could do with it all
Thu Sep 23, 2021, 07:20 PM
Sep 2021

as well.

While the Fulton County investigation still appears to be in its early stages, investigators so far have obtained documents from the Georgia Secretary of State's office and interviewed a handful of its staff, spoken to other Georgia election officials about how elections are conducted and initiated conversations with congressional committees that could obtain information relevant to the Georgia probe, according to people familiar with the investigation.
...
If Willis is able to gain access to information from congressional committees, it could provide a mountain of documents relevant to her investigation and possibly help her avoid lengthy court fights if she were to seek similar information on her own.
...
The select committee investigating January 6 has already asked the National Archives for a range of documents, including any records of White House communications with Georgia officials such as Raffensperger, Kemp and Frances Watson, the Secretary of State investigator whom Trump phoned, from Election Day through January 20, 2021. The document request also covers communications with Trump's former chief of staff Mark Meadows, Giuliani and other attorneys who participated in Trump's call to Raffensperger.
...
The congressional committees are likely to get information that's "extremely relevant" to Willis's investigation and staff-level conversations have already begun between the district attorney's office and congressional committees, a person familiar with the matter said.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/17/politics/georgia-probe-trump-election/index.html
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