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Nevilledog

(51,101 posts)
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 12:01 AM Sep 2021

Our constitutional crisis is already here





https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/09/23/robert-kagan-constitutional-crisis/


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Meanwhile, the amateurish “stop the steal” efforts of 2020 have given way to an organized nationwide campaign to ensure that Trump and his supporters will have the control over state and local election officials that they lacked in 2020. Those recalcitrant Republican state officials who effectively saved the country from calamity by refusing to falsely declare fraud or to “find” more votes for Trump are being systematically removed or hounded from office. Republican legislatures are giving themselves greater control over the election certification process. As of this spring, Republicans have proposed or passed measures in at least 16 states that would shift certain election authorities from the purview of the governor, secretary of state or other executive-branch officers to the legislature. An Arizona bill flatly states that the legislature may “revoke the secretary of state’s issuance or certification of a presidential elector’s certificate of election” by a simple majority vote. Some state legislatures seek to impose criminal penalties on local election officials alleged to have committed “technical infractions,” including obstructing the view of poll watchers.

The stage is thus being set for chaos. Imagine weeks of competing mass protests across multiple states as lawmakers from both parties claim victory and charge the other with unconstitutional efforts to take power. Partisans on both sides are likely to be better armed and more willing to inflict harm than they were in 2020. Would governors call out the National Guard? Would President Biden nationalize the Guard and place it under his control, invoke the Insurrection Act, and send troops into Pennsylvania or Texas or Wisconsin to quell violent protests? Deploying federal power in the states would be decried as tyranny. Biden would find himself where other presidents have been — where Andrew Jackson was during the nullification crisis, or where Abraham Lincoln was after the South seceded — navigating without rules or precedents, making his own judgments about what constitutional powers he does and doesn’t have.

Today’s arguments over the filibuster will seem quaint in three years if the American political system enters a crisis for which the Constitution offers no remedy.

Most Americans — and all but a handful of politicians — have refused to take this possibility seriously enough to try to prevent it. As has so often been the case in other countries where fascist leaders arise, their would-be opponents are paralyzed in confusion and amazement at this charismatic authoritarian. They have followed the standard model of appeasement, which always begins with underestimation. The political and intellectual establishments in both parties have been underestimating Trump since he emerged on the scene in 2015. They underestimated the extent of his popularity and the strength of his hold on his followers; they underestimated his ability to take control of the Republican Party; and then they underestimated how far he was willing to go to retain power. The fact that he failed to overturn the 2020 election has reassured many that the American system remains secure, though it easily could have gone the other way — if Biden had not been safely ahead in all four states where the vote was close; if Trump had been more competent and more in control of the decision-makers in his administration, Congress and the states. As it was, Trump came close to bringing off a coup earlier this year. All that prevented it was a handful of state officials with notable courage and integrity, and the reluctance of two attorneys general and a vice president to obey orders they deemed inappropriate.

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Our constitutional crisis is already here (Original Post) Nevilledog Sep 2021 OP
So, are we gonna have to deal with a bunch of Pubs yelling that the votes weren't fair, or legal? napi21 Sep 2021 #1
I rarely read thess "Death of a Nation" articles any more... TreasonousBastard Sep 2021 #2
K&R Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Sep 2021 #3

napi21

(45,806 posts)
1. So, are we gonna have to deal with a bunch of Pubs yelling that the votes weren't fair, or legal?
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 12:07 AM
Sep 2021

I don't want to hear their moaning.

Instead, why don't they adjust their poliies to actually get people to vote for them????

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. I rarely read thess "Death of a Nation" articles any more...
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 06:27 AM
Sep 2021

Not that they are pure bullshit-- they often do discuss serious problems that can go wrong big time. And, eventually we will destroy ourselves, just as so many empires and societies have in the past.

But, there isn't much besides technology that we haven't been through before. I've been reading more about Andrew Jackson's regime, and he was Trump with a brain and a bigger dick.

We survived Jackson, and we survived Trump.

No one ever said it would be easy.

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