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GOP dirty tricks? 15,000 Haitian refugees at the same TX border location at the same time! (Original Post) FelineOverlord Sep 2021 OP
I smelled something fishy the moment the first pics appeared on the news. Quakerfriend Sep 2021 #1
I keep thinking my hidden suspicions on this subject should be wrong, but... Frustratedlady Sep 2021 #2
It also seems like a long convoluted inefficient journey IronLionZion Sep 2021 #3
I've read a lot if not most had been in Brazil for quite awhile Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #7
Agreed moose65 Sep 2021 #43
Jesus walked on water IronLionZion Sep 2021 #46
needs more exposure mollie8 Sep 2021 #4
It was timed for the UN General Assembly as well malaise Sep 2021 #5
I would very much suspect the Bolsonaro regime is involved as well Hugh_Lebowski Sep 2021 #6
Yes, I believe so. And, this may explain why Bolsonaro's son was Quakerfriend Sep 2021 #12
Conservatives involve their kids a bit too much in their administrations IronLionZion Sep 2021 #16
How else will their worthless kids pull themselves up by their own bootstraps without FSogol Sep 2021 #24
I don't think it's true that "almost all" originated in Brazil. From what I've read, Tanuki Sep 2021 #8
BINGO! I posted my suspicions earlier in the week about this. Tommymac Sep 2021 #9
I'm glad somebody is finally bringing this up. GoCubsGo Sep 2021 #10
Malcom Nance was on Stephaine Miller's show just 2 days ago saying the same thing that all those ... Botany Sep 2021 #11
And, odd how they were pretty far inside the state many miles from the border. Quakerfriend Sep 2021 #14
Haiti to Chile to Brazil and then up through Central America and Mexico to get into America seems .. Botany Sep 2021 #26
Jason Miller does not need to be in Brazil to get involved with dirty tricks LeftInTX Sep 2021 #52
I have no doubt that this is the case. 2naSalit Sep 2021 #13
I agree. Something fishy. kentuck Sep 2021 #15
Didn't TFG say in some phone call: Backseat Driver Sep 2021 #40
This feels like quite a stretch. Agschmid Sep 2021 #17
Creating a NEW conspiracy theory is a refreshing change from the old ones... brooklynite Sep 2021 #18
Would not put it past them Ohioboy Sep 2021 #19
Didn't many of them show up with Biden/Harris t-shirts and pre-printed "Biden Let Us In" signs? George II Sep 2021 #20
Many came from Chile, etc. This is CT dross and belongs in Creative Speculation Celerity Sep 2021 #21
Conspiracy theory is not just for the other side SCantiGOP Sep 2021 #29
All around the same time to this spot in TX? tia uponit7771 Sep 2021 #51
Skuzzbucket Republican evil tricks Champp Sep 2021 #22
Kick dalton99a Sep 2021 #23
Same with the last border crisis during the last admin Chakaconcarne Sep 2021 #25
I saw this when they started showing up. Stinky The Clown Sep 2021 #27
So many of them belong in prison, they are going to have to build a new one to house them all Escurumbele Sep 2021 #37
Why? kentuck Sep 2021 #28
Why do they encourage their minions to avoid vaccinations? Farmer-Rick Sep 2021 #35
The republican goal is to make noise, to create chaos, many times they shoot themselves on the foot Escurumbele Sep 2021 #36
The answer to your third question is "yes." SMC22307 Sep 2021 #53
gop dirty tricks resonates Marthe48 Sep 2021 #30
The Haitians should have arrived in Miami by boat Submariner Sep 2021 #31
A CNN reporter mentioned Etherealoc1 Sep 2021 #32
Why weren't the intelligence agencies aware of all these? What is going on? Escurumbele Sep 2021 #33
Yes, if it was a conspiracy, it's definitely okay to break the rules of asylum and just do a little WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #34
It can be both Farmer-Rick Sep 2021 #39
If it's both, then why are people only focusing on the conspiracy and not the response? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2021 #41
I don't see the press asking why the sudden influx from Brazil. lagomorph777 Sep 2021 #38
I was just asking my wife, who helped these people get to the border? BlueJac Sep 2021 #42
How are they getting across Darien? Ace Rothstein Sep 2021 #44
Surely not port Darien CT...LOL Backseat Driver Sep 2021 #45
Not like they don't have a history MissMillie Sep 2021 #47
The Slobfather's Pre-Fab Caravans Blue Owl Sep 2021 #48
How is it internet posters know about this CT former9thward Sep 2021 #49
Pure Evil. BlueIdaho Sep 2021 #50

Quakerfriend

(5,442 posts)
1. I smelled something fishy the moment the first pics appeared on the news.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:02 AM
Sep 2021

There were reports from Mexico of ‘bus loads’ passing through …..🙄

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
2. I keep thinking my hidden suspicions on this subject should be wrong, but...
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:13 AM
Sep 2021

with the dirty tricks Republicans have pulled, it crossed my mind early on that they might have set up this explosion at the border out of spite. We know they are capable...just need to opportunity to pull it off and keep their hands clean.


IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
3. It also seems like a long convoluted inefficient journey
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:14 AM
Sep 2021

to go from Haiti to Brazil and then up through Mexico to arrive at a strongly protected border. Going by boat to Florida might be easier.

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
7. I've read a lot if not most had been in Brazil for quite awhile
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:28 AM
Sep 2021

Many were refugees from the prior earthquake years back that killed 10's of 1000's and decimated the country.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
43. Agreed
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:26 AM
Sep 2021

When I first read that, I thought, "Wait, what??" It seems SO weird that so many Haitian refugees would end up in Mexico. I even got into an argument with a nimrod on Facebook when I posed that question: "How did they manage to leave a Caribbean country with nothing and end up in Mexico?" and the reply I got was "They walked."

malaise

(268,724 posts)
5. It was timed for the UN General Assembly as well
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:24 AM
Sep 2021

That rat was obvious from day one - I even asked about sabotage

 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
6. I would very much suspect the Bolsonaro regime is involved as well
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:26 AM
Sep 2021

Operationally, I don't know that one person 'on the ground' (Miller) could do that much.

However, he could've been there as something of a secret envoy to talk to the Brazilian government and encourage them to use their resources to accomplish that task ... I can imagine Bolsonaro was happy to get rid of the Haitians and do IQ45 a solid at same time.

Quakerfriend

(5,442 posts)
12. Yes, I believe so. And, this may explain why Bolsonaro's son was
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:36 AM
Sep 2021

at Jan. 5th meeting just prior to the insurrection .

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
16. Conservatives involve their kids a bit too much in their administrations
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:43 AM
Sep 2021

Meanwhile, Biden, Obama, Clinton, etc. did not involve their kids in anything.

FSogol

(45,456 posts)
24. How else will their worthless kids pull themselves up by their own bootstraps without
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 09:12 AM
Sep 2021

getting cash and plum jobs from their crappy parents and friends of their parents?

Tanuki

(14,914 posts)
8. I don't think it's true that "almost all" originated in Brazil. From what I've read,
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:30 AM
Sep 2021

a large number had been living in Chile. They relocated there after the earthquake but faced poor employment and discrimination. This article from last year sheds some light on the situation of Haitians in Chile:

https://www.borgenmagazine.com/haitians-in-chile/

..."Originally enticed to move to Chile by reports of endless job opportunities, once there, “employers abuse and underpay them. Landlords crowd them into overpriced, closet-sized rooms. Scam artists try to sell them work contracts that could put them on the wrong side of the law.” These fake work contracts caused some Haitians to lose their work visas. The closet-sized rooms often have no running water and a single bathroom shared with up to 15 residents. There are even reports of some Haitians forced to sleep in stables.

It is less about their immigrant status, but rather their skin color and the perception of their home country which causes many Haitians in Chile to experience isolation, mistreatment and mockery. Haitians reported that Venezuelan and other Spanish-speaking migrants receive better treatment and have more opportunities for jobs. Misleading information and stereotypes portray Haitians, many of whom came to Chile speaking only Creole, as poor, dirty and low-skilled. Although some Haitians are immigrating with an advanced degree, Chile has been slow to officially recognize foreign degrees."...(more)

Tommymac

(7,263 posts)
9. BINGO! I posted my suspicions earlier in the week about this.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:30 AM
Sep 2021

It was done intentionally.

The Q's have done this before.

GoCubsGo

(32,075 posts)
10. I'm glad somebody is finally bringing this up.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:31 AM
Sep 2021

It's shocking that so few people are even wondering how so many people showed up at the border like that, literally overnight.

Botany

(70,449 posts)
11. Malcom Nance was on Stephaine Miller's show just 2 days ago saying the same thing that all those ...
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:36 AM
Sep 2021

... Haitians showing up on the Texas Mexico border did not pass his smell test.

Botany

(70,449 posts)
26. Haiti to Chile to Brazil and then up through Central America and Mexico to get into America seems ..
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 09:24 AM
Sep 2021

... like a long way to go. How did they pay for all of that? And how did they travel all that way?
If they had the money for all that travel why didn't they just take a plane flight from Haiti to America?

And Jason Miller just happened to be in Brazil before the Haitians showed up @ the border?

LeftInTX

(25,151 posts)
52. Jason Miller does not need to be in Brazil to get involved with dirty tricks
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:12 AM
Sep 2021

The GOP did this to Obama in 2014.

They spread rumors that Obama was gonna welcome them with open arms. It got on all the radio stations in Central America and Southern Mexico and they came here.

All it takes is connections.

2naSalit

(86,373 posts)
13. I have no doubt that this is the case.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:38 AM
Sep 2021

Or something just like that took place.

All tfg's henchmen need to be rounded up and detained until their trials.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
15. I agree. Something fishy.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:41 AM
Sep 2021

Also, some of them had left Haiti years ago? Did they all decide to just pack up and one day go to Texas? Strange.

Backseat Driver

(4,381 posts)
40. Didn't TFG say in some phone call:
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:20 AM
Sep 2021

"“Look, all I want to do is this: I just want to find 11,780 votes,” Trump told Raffensperger.

Near the same number+; just sayin' - A bit late for 2020 votes in GA but "twisted" and reframed purpose? Next time around?(2024)

And the Intelligence analysts heard, saw, nada amiss until BAM, there they were, like Ninjas?

brooklynite

(94,384 posts)
18. Creating a NEW conspiracy theory is a refreshing change from the old ones...
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:55 AM
Sep 2021

Am I to also assume that the Republicans conspired with the ICE agents to beat them up?

Ohioboy

(3,239 posts)
19. Would not put it past them
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 08:56 AM
Sep 2021

The GOP loves chaos on the border.

They are the ones that promote the false idea that the border is wide open.

This has "GOP dirty trick" all over it. Karl Rove would be proud.

Celerity

(43,138 posts)
21. Many came from Chile, etc. This is CT dross and belongs in Creative Speculation
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 09:05 AM
Sep 2021

The claims in those tweets they ALL came from Brasil are ludicrous. Also, some who did start from there had already left long before January 2021.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/sep/23/facebook-posts/why-haitians-are-crossing-us-texas-and-not-somewhe/

snip

The Brazilian government made humanitarian visas available to Haitians, and there was significant demand for construction workers leading up to the 2014 World Cup and the 2016 Olympics in Rio de Janeiro. Once those jobs started to dry up, many Haitians moved on to Chile, Bolter said.

The Associated Press reported that about 150,000 Haitians went to Chile from 2014 to 2018 and found work as street vendors, janitors and construction workers.

However, since 2018, the Chilean government has made it more difficult for Haitians to get work visas.

"The cost of living in Chile is high, so it can be particularly difficult to get by with a poorly paying job," Bolter said. "Many Haitians experience racial discrimination in jobs and housing in Chile as well. Haitians who stayed in Brazil have continued to struggle economically, and have also faced racial discrimination, as well as crime and insecurity."

snip

SCantiGOP

(13,867 posts)
29. Conspiracy theory is not just for the other side
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 09:49 AM
Sep 2021

Our folks can make up stuff too.
Doesn’t any of the “GOP did it” crowd wonder why the thousands of journalists covering the story haven’t come up with this, but a speculative thread on DU with zero proof uncovers this massive international conspiracy?

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
37. So many of them belong in prison, they are going to have to build a new one to house them all
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:14 AM
Sep 2021

I would really love to see that actually, all of them in the same prison complex, biting each other, blaming each other about everything...I just wonder who will volunteer to change trump's diapers and clean his butt.

I have been thinking that one of the biggest fears trump may have about going to jail is not having enough diaper, or someone to clean his butt, that he will have to do it himself...plus of course, he won't have a toilet made of gold in there.

kentuck

(111,056 posts)
28. Why?
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 09:45 AM
Sep 2021

Why would they pull such a stunt?

Would they think it would create such chaos that people would be demanding the return of Trump and the Republicans?

This seems a little "big" even for Republican conspiracy theorists. This seems like something that may have been hatched in the Kremlin and forwarded to Trump and his associates?

Farmer-Rick

(10,140 posts)
35. Why do they encourage their minions to avoid vaccinations?
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:11 AM
Sep 2021

Why do they protest wearing masks? Why do they die by the thousands to follow a sociopath and bafoon? Why do they hate democracy?

If you are looking for logic and reason in their behavior, you may never find it.

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
36. The republican goal is to make noise, to create chaos, many times they shoot themselves on the foot
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:13 AM
Sep 2021

but as long as they can make noise, that they can disrupt Biden's administration then they are happy. The cruelty is the goal, using Haitians as pawns is just criminal in itself, but they lack vision about consequences, they have linear thinking they cannot see on the sides to figure out what problems can even come back to them, they only see the end-goal as they figure it would come out.

Example? The Maricopa clown show, now Biden has more votes...Who are they going to blame now, the cyber-Ninjas? The Cyber-Ninjas will be shown as Democratic hacks who "fooled" republicans but were really working in favour of the Democrats...or something like that.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
53. The answer to your third question is "yes."
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:16 AM
Sep 2021

We know Bannon's goal was to burn it all down. Trump thrives on chaos. I imagine there will be many more "crises" between now and November 2024.

Marthe48

(16,908 posts)
30. gop dirty tricks resonates
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 09:50 AM
Sep 2021

r's destroy human lives as if their motives weren't human. Displacing 15,000 Haitians wouldn't make them lose a wink of sleep.

I think the planning probably started in June, as one of the quotes mentioned.

Where did those improverished people get cell phones? And how did they recharge the batteries on their trek?

Submariner

(12,499 posts)
31. The Haitians should have arrived in Miami by boat
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 09:51 AM
Sep 2021

Just as the Cubans washed up on our beaches in 1960, and beyond, and sought food and shelter from tyrannical government oppression in Havana, the Haitians are suffering the same social chaos from an assassination on top of the earthquake, and seek our help today.

The Miami Cuban population should reach out and lend a hand to their fellow Caribbean islanders in distress.

Etherealoc1

(256 posts)
32. A CNN reporter mentioned
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:03 AM
Sep 2021

at one point the Mexican Government
was only letting the Haitians go through during the mass exodus.
The other refugees were being detained.

Then I thought maybe TFG may
have been involved with this.
Pure speculation on my part but who
knows what's happening behind the
scenes.


Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
33. Why weren't the intelligence agencies aware of all these? What is going on?
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:08 AM
Sep 2021

They should have seen this coming, they should be observing the criminals from the previous administration who still roam around, we all know they are up to no good.

What is going on intelligence agencies? 15,000 people coming into the USA is not that hard to spot with all the technology that is available today...

Sorry but, out intelligence agencies are failing us. There should be changes at the head of the FBI to begin with, I don't have confidence in Christopher Wray.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,309 posts)
34. Yes, if it was a conspiracy, it's definitely okay to break the rules of asylum and just do a little
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:10 AM
Sep 2021

mass-deportation to make the problem go away! It wasn't a real crisis, you guys! If it's a Republican dirty trick, then we can respond in a political way instead of a humanitarian way and hopefully the administration won't get any blowback!!!!!!! WHEW!!!!!!!

Farmer-Rick

(10,140 posts)
39. It can be both
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:16 AM
Sep 2021

It can be a humanitarian crisis And orchestrated by the GOP.

It looks to me like someone orchestrated this. Even if it was a grass root effort, who organized it?

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
38. I don't see the press asking why the sudden influx from Brazil.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:16 AM
Sep 2021

Very suspicious indeed. Typical racist trickery.

Backseat Driver

(4,381 posts)
45. Surely not port Darien CT...LOL
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 10:53 AM
Sep 2021

Panama? https://www.britannica.com/place/Darien-region-Panama

"The Pan-American Highway does not traverse Darién, which effectively blocks land transportation between Central and South America."

"Since the late 1990s, Darién has been the site of increased conflict as Colombian groups (guerrillas, narcotics traffickers, and right-wing paramilitary forces) cross the border into Panama and smugglers bring over a growing number of refugees from Colombia’s civil war. The Panamanian government’s inability to defend the region has become a source of growing concern and political debate within Panama."

former9thward

(31,949 posts)
49. How is it internet posters know about this CT
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 11:40 PM
Sep 2021

And the Dept of Homeland Security, CIA and all the rest don't know about it? The answer would probably generate a whole slew of new CTs.

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