Why has Trump not been indicted

[Boydog]

Can any of the board’s lawyers or people with some inside information offer some answers.

[msongs]

1. indicted for what? nt

[Bucky]

4. I think some DUers think being a jackass is indictable offense

Trump had the full resources of the executive branch to hide his culpability and obscure his criminal behavior. Everything I see coming out of the Jan 6th Committee tells me they're working their way up the food chain to get at Trump. But it'll take time, patience, and flipping a few snitches to get any indictments above the pay grade of Maga Shamen.

[StarfishSaver]

8. Exactly this

[Tribetime]

26. What ???? He's committed no crimes seriously

[Bucky]

42. Wow

You're not too good with reading comprehension.

Please don't get upset at me for things I didn't say.

[Calista241]

40. Even then, they're going to have to find criminality BEFORE the march.

Like he talked, or had people talk to organizers that explicitly told them what to do. And judging how nothing has stuck to him so far, I don't hold out much hope for them convicting him of anything from Jan 6th.

[Marius25]

6. Conspiracy to commit sedition, treason, obstruction

countless financial crimes, election and voter fraud, etc.

[Bucky]

13. Are you aware of what witnesses they'd have to get to flip on Trump?

They need to do this right, not rush to claims that a legal dream team can force the judge to toss out. And investigations into blue collar financial crimes, even without the reliance on foreign financial sources, routinely take several years to get in front of a jury.

Are you old enough to remember Oliver North walking cause Congress screwed up the legal process? They went after him for political crimes instead of embezzlement and so he walked away with qualified immunity. We want to avoid that.

[marble falls]

11. What makes you think he won't be indicted several times in the next month or so? Instant ...

... justice is every bit as tasty as instant grits.

How long does it take your local prosecutor to get a murder suspect in front of a judge? About two years.

[Bucky]

14. I can let you know...

He won't be indicted in the next month or so. I'll be surprised if there are any indictments before next summer.

[marble falls]

16. What makes you think the Manhatten DA won't have an indictment in October? What makes you think ...

... SDNY isn't close?

[Bucky]

18. It seems premature. In many high profile cases federal & state officials cooperate

Undoubtedly the federal investigations will uncover more information about the range of criminality in Trump's domain

But I was specifically addressing the federal charges.

[former9thward]

15. No.

Most murders that are eventually going to be solved are quickly, a week at the most, in front of a judge. I have no idea where you are getting this "two years" figure. It is not the real world.

[marble falls]

19. Most murders that are eventually going to be solved are quickly, a week at the most, in front of ...

... a judge? How does that happen when 1/3rd of murders go unsolved?

You really believe that most the other 2/3s are "solved are quickly, a week at the most, in front of a judge"? I don't know where you get that.

[Bucky]

24. You should have said "in front of a jury"

Anyway, it'll take as long as it takes. Watching the pot won't make it boil

[StarfishSaver]

34. They're definitely not in front of a jury in a week

The poster may have meant an arraignment, not a trial. But nevertheless, the idea that most murder suspects are arrested and in front of a judge in a week is a stretch.

And this is not a murder case. It's far more complicated and the idea that Trump should have been indicted and arrested by now is simply unrealistic - and I find it odd that attorney would be making that argument.

[Bucky]

39. Who's the lawyer?

[StarfishSaver]

44. Read through the thread

[Bucky]

46. I thought I did.

9thWard didn't actually say they were a lawyer. They only said they weren't an internet lawyer. I thought you mighta had more intel

[StarfishSaver]

47. ...

29

[Bucky]

48. Ah! But...

I was thrown off by the vagueness of "I do this in real life."
I consider this mostly to be a set up for a punchline.

But if you look up their DU profile, 9thWard is indeed a "constitutional law attorney" specializing in sundry Bill of Rights amendments.

That said, I just covered the BoR in my government class. As a trick question on the test, I make my kids list all of their 9th Amendment rights.

[former9thward]

29. I get that from both being a prosecutor and defense attorney for many years.

Where do you get your info?

[StarfishSaver]

21. On television, maybe

In real life, no.

Where did you get the idea that "murders are solved in front of a judge" in a week, at most?

[former9thward]

31. I do this in real life.

Not internet lawyering. How about you?

[StarfishSaver]

33. You're a lawyer and think that most murder cases are solved and in front of a judge in a week?

Ok.

FYI, I am an attorney and law professor ...

[former9thward]

35. Don't change my words.

I said most murder cases that are going to be solved. You changed it to most murder cases are solved.

[StarfishSaver]

36. Uh, huh

Ok - but this isn't a murder case that needs to be solved. It's a complicated case with many interlocking crimes that has actually already been solved but needs to be sorted out and linked to the perpetrator - not nearly as simple as a murder case.

[former9thward]

37. Is that what you say in class?

Says alot.

[StarfishSaver]

38. No. I don't say that in class

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Because my students don't make the kind of comments about the law that you have. But if one did, I would indeed say, "Uh-Huh," mark them as a pass for that class because they were clearly unprepared, and then move on to the next student on my list.

[krawhitham]

43. See Volume 2 of the Mueller report

[Ocelot II]

2. I doubt any of us have any inside information, but you can be pretty sure

that the prosecuting authorities for the appropriate jurisdictions won't take a case against TFG to a grand jury unless and until they have solid evidence that they think will support a conviction, and investigations in white collar cases involving many documents, as these would be, do not move quickly. Grand juries, not prosecutors, issue indictments, and grand jury proceedings are secret, so we won't know that there have been any indictments until a grand jury hands them down and a judge signs off on them. Indictments can also be sealed, so they might not be made public right away even after they are issued. The whole investigation and indictment process is slow and mostly not conducted in the public eye.

[Bucky]

7. I know in my head preparations like that are going on

But my gut keeps remembering how Congress fucked up the prosecution of Oliver North by offering him qualified immunity.

[StarfishSaver]

10. All the more reason for DOJ and Congress to build the case from the bottom up and work deliberately

[StarfishSaver]

9. +1000

[Beachnutt]

3. They're attempting too but

it's one helluva slow process, the common man would have been long gone to prison.
[link:https://www.justsecurity.org/75032/litigation-tracker-pending-criminal-and-civil-cases-against-donald-trump/|

[onenote]

5. This has been addressed over and over.

Real life isn't an hour long tv show.

[Beachnutt]

12. Justice/Revenge is like a fine wine

the older it gets the sweeter it is..

[StarfishSaver]

17. This has been explained over and over and over

including in a couple of threads that you yourself started.

Strange that you're still asking the question after it's been answered numerous times, including by several lawyers on this board.

Was this question actually seeking information or was it a rhetorical device intended to stir the pot?

[Treefrog]

23. I'll go with the latter.

[stillcool]

20. Proof of a crime, maybe

there's not a lot he has his fingerprints on. So many people did the dirty deeds...the whole frigging GOP. If I were you, I'd look here:
https://www.emptywheel.net/

[Treefrog]

22. Despite the many predictions here of him being arrested, it ain't gonna happen.

Sickening, but it is what it is.

[Stuart G]

25. Takes ...'TIME" and "MUST BE DONE CORRECTLY"...YES...an indictment is coming in my opinion..

....An indictment must stand up in court...possibly the Supreme Court...but someone will indict Trump..My guess
is the Atty General of New York State for lying on his taxes....but that also takes time..and must be totally correct..
If you were Atty General of New York State..wouldn't you want a fair and perfect indictment of the worst
crook in the entire world?

[Bucky]

28. He deserves the best indictment. Truly the best indict in history. Ever.

I hear from people, they ask, they tell me... and this is the best people, people from all around, they're saying this will be tremendous, like nothing you've ever seen, such a beautiful indictment, charges like no one can get in that place, just amazing....

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. Merrick Garland needs your address so he can send you your engraved invitation

He’s been holding off the indictments until you receive it.

Well, what are you waiting for?

[StarfishSaver]

49. :-)

[mcar]

30. What do you think?

[UnderThisLaw]

32. My inside information

is that the prosecution is waiting for the Supreme Court to rule that robot juries are not a violation of the Sixth Amendment

[Initech]

41. And why haven't Steve Bannon and Alex Jones testified before Congress?

Both of these scumbags have basically admitted to planning the whole thing, so why haven't they been indicted yet?

[StarfishSaver]

45. Why don't you tell us?

I think you think you know the answer.

[Crunchy Frog]

50. Because he's not a Democrat?

Face it, if a Dem had done a fraction of the shit that TFG has, the Rs would have gone after them with everything they've got.

Rick Wilson is right that our side needs to get the taste of blood in their mouths. If they don't, I think the country is finished.

[ecstatic]

51. Weakness

Look at all the countless excuses in this thread alone of why tfg can't or won't be held accountable. As a party, we have a habit of giving up before trying. It's sickening, but even worse, it ends up looking like a racist double standard when people like tRump continue to escape accountability.