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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
2. By using the word federal, I do not mean the administration.
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 11:12 PM
Sep 2021


Federalization would include all branches of our federal government. Every authorized voter gets a mail in ballot with an authentication process to include all voter registration plus new federal guidelines and the ballot is sent to a federal location.

In other words take the federal vote out of the hands of individual states hands. The states can vote their state legislatures and other politicos.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
5. The Big Con and his minions are going to burn this republic down..
Fri Sep 24, 2021, 11:53 PM
Sep 2021

They don’t give two shits about Ddemocracy …they have learned from Putin and other autocrats around the world how to infiltrate our system and cause as much chaos as possible to destroy our system of government.

Bucky

(54,003 posts)
6. That's their goal. Stopping them is our mission
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:03 AM
Sep 2021

We've been through other shitty phases in history. We carry on and try to undo the damage.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
8. Probably the most dangerous time in the US history. I don't think the founders
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:14 AM
Sep 2021

ever entertained an asshole like Trump and his herd of terrorists/treasonists/insurrectionists would come along ... nor such a really dumbed down populace filled with disinformation and outright lies ... and driven by outfits such as those held by Rupert Murdoch and also such as OAN. ... plus a Senate held in failure mode by Mitch McConnell.


albacore

(2,398 posts)
15. It's ALL "critical bits"...
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:55 PM
Sep 2021

"The United States is heading into its greatest political and constitutional crisis since the Civil War, with a reasonable chance over the next three to four years of incidents of mass violence, a breakdown of federal authority, and the division of the country into warring red and blue enclaves. The warning signs may be obscured by the distractions of politics, the pandemic, the economy and global crises, and by wishful thinking and denial. But about these things there should be no doubt:
First, Donald Trump will be the Republican candidate for president in 2024. The hope and expectation that he would fade in visibility and influence have been delusional. He enjoys mammoth leads in the polls; he is building a massive campaign war chest; and at this moment the Democratic ticket looks vulnerable. Barring health problems, he is running.
Second, Trump and his Republican allies are actively preparing to ensure his victory by whatever means necessary. Trump’s charges of fraud in the 2020 election are now primarily aimed at establishing the predicate to challenge future election results that do not go his way. Some Republican candidates have already begun preparing to declare fraud in 2022, just as Larry Elder tried meekly to do in the California recall contest."
"The stage is thus being set for chaos. Imagine weeks of competing mass protests across multiple states as lawmakers from both parties claim victory and charge the other with unconstitutional efforts to take power. Partisans on both sides are likely to be better armed and more willing to inflict harm than they were in 2020. Would governors call out the National Guard? Would President Biden nationalize the Guard and place it under his control, invoke the Insurrection Act, and send troops into Pennsylvania or Texas or Wisconsin to quell violent protests? Deploying federal power in the states would be decried as tyranny. Biden would find himself where other presidents have been — where Andrew Jackson was during the nullification crisis, or where Abraham Lincoln was after the South seceded — navigating without rules or precedents, making his own judgments about what constitutional powers he does and doesn’t have.
Today’s arguments over the filibuster will seem quaint in three years if the American political system enters a crisis for which the Constitution offers no remedy."
"The Republican Party today is a zombie party. Its leaders go through the motions of governing in pursuit of traditional Republican goals, wrestling over infrastructure spending and foreign policy, even as real power in the party has leached away to Trump. From the uneasy and sometimes contentious partnership during Trump’s four years in office, the party’s main if not sole purpose today is as the willing enabler of Trump’s efforts to game the electoral system to ensure his return to power.
With the party firmly under his thumb, Trump is now fighting the Biden administration on separate fronts. One is normal, legitimate political competition, where Republicans criticize Biden’s policies, feed and fight the culture wars, and in general behave like a typical hostile opposition.
The other front is outside the bounds of constitutional and democratic competition and into the realm of illegal or extralegal efforts to undermine the electoral process. The two are intimately related, because the Republican Party has used its institutional power in the political sphere to shield Trump and his followers from the consequences of their illegal and extralegal activities in the lead-up to Jan. 6. Thus, Reps. Kevin McCarthy and Elise Stefanik, in their roles as party leaders, run interference for the Trump movement in the sphere of legitimate politics, while Republicans in lesser positions cheer on the Jan. 6 perpetrators, turning them into martyrs and heroes, and encouraging illegal acts in the future."

Still Sensible

(2,870 posts)
9. I really believe this would be a huge mistake
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 12:35 AM
Sep 2021

One beauty of the democracy in our republic is that the fact that the presidential election is actually 50 separate elections.

That structure, while frustrating in some instances, made the attempt by TFG to "fix" the 2020 result an incredibly difficult task. That was so even as TFG had armies of allies, in and out of government, in many states. If we were to federalize the national vote, a Putin-type or TFG-twit would likely have a much lower hurdle to clear.

I am fully in favor of certain federal standards to protect voting and the right to vote at all levels. I would like to see standards that require an audit-able paper trail in all states, for instance. In my current residence state of Oklahoma--terribly red to be sure--there is paper ballot voting with electronic tabulation. The rules about electioneering in or near the polls is well enforced. In this state, it is not very hard to register to vote, but it should be easier. We do not see some of the stupid race-based things that places like Texas and Georgia have been doing. I know all of it can be improved upon as is true in many other states.

But I cannot support any effort to take away one of the most important reasons that tRump and his horde were unable to thwart the will of the people last Fall.

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
10. I meant a federal location in each state,
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 01:52 AM
Sep 2021

Preferably the state capital, maybe the armory. These will be National mail in ballots (with paper trails) handled by federal employees with credentials. Transparency would include video, representatives from each district that can watch counting, processing.

Still Sensible

(2,870 posts)
11. Thanks for the clarification
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:17 AM
Sep 2021

I still suggest that the states having to conduct their own elections with federal standards, perhaps even a federal oversight office in each state, having to certify them by the state government is better protection from a national steal..

I like your all mail in and your transparency ideas for sure.

Make7

(8,543 posts)
12. I agree that it would be a mistake. Having elections localized is actually a strong fraud deterrent.
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:29 AM
Sep 2021

Maricopa County had over 10,000 distinct ballots in the 2020 general election because of all the different local races. Plus each state has individual ways they run their elections, as well as varying procedures at the county and precinct level. There are probably hundreds of thousands of unique elections for President.

The logistics to be able to cheat on a national elected position across so many jurisdictions with differing ballots, laws, and procedures without being detected would be extremely difficult. If all the ballots and procedures were the same in a federalized election, many of those barriers would vanish.

The current systems in place have been evolving for a very long time, I see no compelling reason to change things on such a drastic scale.

Besides, it appears to be hard enough to get people to vote in this country in a single election - how would separating them into multiple elections affect turnout?

pbmus

(12,422 posts)
13. I am talking about using a mail in ballot..
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 02:50 AM
Sep 2021

The current system is fraught with so many inconsistencies that challenges will only get worse and trust in the vote will get worse…the only way out of this mess is to try to legitimize the vote.

genxlib

(5,526 posts)
14. Sort of
Sat Sep 25, 2021, 07:30 AM
Sep 2021

I would not nationalize the vote for many of the reasons above. but I would nationalize two aspects of it.

First, we desperately need national voting standard so that crooked states can’t play games with the way the vote is administered.

Second, I would nationalize voting “registration”. I put that in quotes because registration should not be required. Every citizen should be eligible to vote regardless of whether they are on some list. The only reason a person would need to “register” would be to choose preferences that make them eligible for voting in limited elections like primaries. This should be national because that is who handles citizenship and would make voting as simple as two questions; citizenship and primary address. The main advantage to this is that nationalizing this effort and making it automatic would assure that people could only vote in one place. That would completely remove the reasoning for the heinous voter purges that take place that always coincidentally affect POC

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